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NV ARROYO GRANDE JANE DOE: WF, 14-25, found near Henderson, NV - Oct 1980 - "S" tattoo *GRAPHIC*

Discussion in 'Unidentified 1980 to 1989' started by Kimster, May 28, 2015.

  1. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

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    Date found October 05, 1980 00:00


    Local Contact (ME/C or Other)
    Agency Clark Cnty Coroner Ofc
    Phone 702-455-3210
    Case Manager
    Name Ashley Grygor
    Phone (702) 455-3210

    Demographics

    Minimum age 14 years
    Maximum age 25 years
    Race White

    Sex Female
    Weight (pounds) 103, Measured
    Height (inches) 62, Measured
    Body Parts Inventory (Check all that apply)

    Recognizable face
    Probable year of death 1980 to 1980
    Estimated postmortem interval 24 Hours

    Circumstances
    Location Found
    GPS coordinates
    Address 1 State Route 146 near Arroyo Grande
    Address 2 SR 146 and Arroyo Grande
    City Henderson
    State Nevada
    Zip code 89014
    County Clark
    Circumstances
    The nude body of this unidentified white female was found just south of Route 146 and west of Arroyo Grande, in Henderson, Nevada at approximately 2100 hours on October 5, 1980. Lacerations of the scalp and puncture wounds of the back were identified.

    Physical
    Hair color Brown
    Head hair
    Light brownish-blonde, 11"

    Left eye color Blue
    Right eye color Blue
    Eye description
    Hazel or Blue

    Tattoo of a letter S on her right forearm.

    ***WARNING*** Post-mortem pic at link: https://identifyus.org/cases/full_report/46



    http://www.crimewatchers.net/forum/index.php?media/do-you-know-me-found-in-henderson-nv-1980.270/
     
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  2. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    Jane 'Arroyo Grande' Doe cold case open 35 years later

    Williams has been watching out for Jane “Arroyo Grande” Doe since the day he found her body while serving as a Henderson police officer.

    "I was on my day off,” Williams remembers. “It was a Sunday, October 5, 1980."

    It was 9:20 p.m. along a once-dirt road near the Arroyo Grande Wash.

    "Nothing was incorporated out there at the time," Williams says. "She was laying there, posed basically, and nude."

    Williams saw the different faces of death.

    "She had been struck numerous times in the face, apparently with fists. And then in the back of the head with what appeared to be a roofing or framing hammer. And then stabbed with a two-pronged instrument in the back."

    http://www.news3lv.com/mostpopular/...ase-open-35-years/GYAXm7dI5E-Z1i-mQioNRA.cspx
     
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  3. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

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    New revisions by artist Carl Koppelman
     
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  4. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    I wonder if she was a victim of Serial Killer Stephen Morin. He had 3 Victims in 1981, but it is estimated he could have been suspected in at least 30 murders or crimes... Not sure which. Although murdered toward the end of 1980, She fits the profile of many of his victims and suffered a similar fate as well. The crude "S" etched into her arm caught me. Made me wonder if S could stand for "Stephen" - as if it were a brand of sorts. Sick I know, but these power hungry monsters sometimes brand victims.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Morin

    Anyhow, gonna try and find a match for her though I know I've tried before and it is a doozie of a case to work on.
     
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  5. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    Cynthia Jabour looks a lot like her compared to the other missing women in 1981 - but then again Cynthia's picture is kind of sub par at best. She is the only missing listed in NV in 1980 remotely matching this UID and I can't find the NamUS page on her or info about DNA on her.

    Of course the age discrepancy struck me and i noticed Cynthia didn't look necessarily 41 years old to me though she was listed as 41. Turns out she could have been in her mid twenties when she was murdered, around the same age as this decedent. I found a birth record for her of 1953 with the maiden name Kahn. I think Robert Weeks used a false surname when they got married. There was also one other birthdate for a Cynthia Jabour of being 1955, even closer to the estimated birthdate of our UID. So in 1981 Cynthia would likely be in her mid-late twenties. Not 41 years old. The UID was estimated to be somewhere around the ages of 14-25.

    http://www.nampn.org/cases/jabour_cynthia.html

    I don't know some things are off, but I wonder if Robert filled out the info on Cynthia's missing persons report incorrectly to throw off LE? I've often wondered this. I know usually they use your driver's license info, but what if they are relying on the murderes "recollection" of the victims vitals? If her age was off, what else could have been off as well in the report???

    I mean Cyntis even went missing in NV in October around the time this UID was found!
     
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  6. Advocate

    Advocate Ask me how to get your loved one in NamUs

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  7. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    Thanks again! I have a lot of irons in the fire and don't always have time to update revisions promptly. Good to know you guys keep up!
     
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  8. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    ^had to correct the date on this to 1980 and not 1981. Must have been sidetracked when writing the info. My apologies. At any rate I'm still very interested in Cynthia Jabour as a match.
     
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  9. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    I really feel like someone here needs to look up a Cynthia L. Kahn born in 1953/1954 if they have an ancestry account. Just found Jabour's namUS page and she has no picture, no DNA, no dentals!

    I think we need to find Cynthia's biological family you guys! @Kimster @Advocate @Lily @spike @Cousin Dupree @GarAndMo49 @MissyMoo @daisy7 @WindStorm and anyone else !

    Maybe then they can give up DNA to compare against the UIDs DNA to check for a match!

    Here is the marriage info for Robert Jabour (Robert Weeks) and Cynthia L Kahn.

    http://www.myheritage.com/names/cynthia_jabour

    Can somebody with an ancestry account please help a sister out????!
     
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  10. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    I mean you guys... Her NamUS page is poor at best. It's almost as if it the report was initially a voluntary missing persons report that was never changed to an endangered missing person when it was theorized Robert Jabour (Robert Weeks) likely murdered her. The overall vibe of her NamUS page is that she left in her car or ranaway when we KNOW she was married to a wife murdering monster Robert Weeks... Who took the alias Robert Jabour before marrying her.

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/case_report_html/19573
     
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  11. Advocate

    Advocate Ask me how to get your loved one in NamUs

    Gonna be out all day. Trying to get my friend rainwater here who follows Arroyo & is in contact with her LE/ME
     
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  12. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    Ok so we found a birthdate for Cynthia Jabour of 1933. So Arroyo Grande Doe is not Cynthia.

    Man. I knew that would have been too easy. Harumph. :(

    Still, it is odd that Weeks would murder his fiancée in NV in October of 80 and then we find this girl in NV in October of 80. Cynthia was the only missing woman from NV in 1980. It's just strange. Makes you wonder if there was any connection between the two women, though it's likely there isn't.

    Back to square 1. Who are you Arroyo Grande Jane Doe?
     
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  13. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

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  14. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    creech_melinda.jpg kahler_kimberly.jpg
    Melinda and Kimberly

    Melinda looks more similar than Kimberly, IMO.
     
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  15. Advocate

    Advocate Ask me how to get your loved one in NamUs

    Home for a quick stop; feed the grandson, ice my back then daughter has PT, I have to head back to my Dr. Hopefully I can get rainwater over here. She is local so always looking for Arroyo. Melinda & Kimberly look familiar to me like ones she's sent me to look at for an opinion.

    I agree about Cynthia Jabour not fitting. One thing I noticed when I went to NAMPN is she does not have a gap in the top right teeth like Arroyo does. I think Arroyo is currently not listed in any database like most of our beloved Does. It very well could be that LE refused to take the report or they did, it got lost, or like Michelle Knight (Arielle Castro's victim) could have been purged when she turned 18. I do whatever I can to make sure people know that NamUs will take the person's name & make a profile without a report. They do their best to prove the person is missing then request assistance, but sadly even now some refuse like a friend of mine who's daughter was missing in TX. It ended up turning out well; the mother had gotten a new phone number (someone else owned her old cell) the daughter lost her cell so when she moved in with her new BF then found out she was expecting, she couldn't find a way to contact her mother.
     
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  16. Advocate

    Advocate Ask me how to get your loved one in NamUs

    Rainwater said -
    Ruled out
    Rachael Gardner
    Sandra Butler
    Sandra Landrum
    Cheryl Scherer
    Suzanne Schultz
    Angela Meeker
    Terry Lynch Creech.
    Margaret Holst,
    Tammy Akers
    Rebecca Dunn
     
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  17. Advocate

    Advocate Ask me how to get your loved one in NamUs

    Rule Out List for Arroyo Grande Jane Doe:
    This list is comprehensive and was shared by Clark County Coroner's Investigator, Rick Jones of Missing Persons who have been ruled out as matches for AGJD.

    Information shown (Name; State, Last Known Alive date, Status, Date of Rule Out)
    Rachael Gardner; NH;2/22/80; Neg. dentals;5/29/03
    Sandra Butler; NV ;6/26/78 ;Neg. dentals; 5/29/03
    Sandra Landrum; GA; 9/29/75; Neg prints; 12/3/03
    Cheryl Ann Scherer;MO ;4/17/79 ; Neg dentals; 12/19/03
    Suzanne Schultz; WI; 7/79; Neg dentals; 2/26/04
    Angela Mae Meeker; WA; 7/7/79; Neg dentals; 5/29/04
    Terry Lynch; CA; Found Alive; 4/18/05
    Melinda Creech; IN;9/4/79 ; Neg dentals; 1/11/08
    Margaret Kay Holst; NE; 8/4/77; Neg dentals; 2/24/10
    Tammy Akers;VA ;2/7/77 ; Neg dentals; 2/24/10
    Rebecca Dunn; NV; 4/79; Neg prints; 6/5/10
     
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  18. Advocate

    Advocate Ask me how to get your loved one in NamUs

    Arroyo Grande Jane Doe - all rule outs together, for easier reference

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/258ufnv.html
    https://identifyus.org/en/cases/46

    Rule outs as per Namus
    First Name Last Name Year of Birth State LKA
    Tammy Akers 1962 -Virginia
    Sandra Butler 1962 -Nevada
    Terry Collier 1948 -California
    Melinda Creech 1965 -Indiana
    Kimberly Doss 1962 -Florida
    Rachael Garden 1964 -New Hampshire
    Sandra Landrum 1957 -Georgia
    Laureen Rahn 1966 -New Hampshire
    Cheryl Scherer 1959 -Missouri
    Suzanne Schultz 1961 -Wisconsin


    Rule outs through Nola & other members (in 2010) by LE - Rick Jones
    Information shown (Name; State, Last Known Alive date, Status, Date of Rule Out)
    Rachael Gardner; NH;2/22/80; Neg. dentals;5/29/03
    Sandra Butler; NV ;6/26/78 ;Neg. dentals; 5/29/03
    Sandra Landrum; GA; 9/29/75; Neg prints; 12/3/03
    Cheryl Ann Scherer;MO ;4/17/79 ; Neg dentals; 12/19/03
    Suzanne Schultz; WI; 7/79; Neg dentals; 2/26/04
    Angela Mae Meeker; WA; 7/7/79; Neg dentals; 5/29/04
    Terry Lynch; CA; Found Alive; 4/18/05
    Melinda Creech; IN;9/4/79 ; Neg dentals; 1/11/08
    Margaret Kay Holst; NE; 8/4/77; Neg dentals; 2/24/10
    Tammy Akers;VA ;2/7/77 ; Neg dentals; 2/24/10
    Rebecca Dunn; NV; 4/79; Neg prints; 6/5/10

    Added later to the rule out list by LE
    Karen Lynn Zendrosky (dentals) -New Jersey - http://doenetwork.org/cases/1667dfnj.html
    Sherrlynn Leigh Mitchell - Australia (by DNA) - http://www.missingpersons.gov.au/mis...eigh - vic
    Terry Collier - California - (by fingerprint comparison,6/8/11) http://www.missingincalifornia.com/t...llier1979.html
    Diane Gilchrist - Washington - https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/20347 (by DNA in 2013)
    Janet Kramer - Minnesota- https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/21165/150 (by DNA in 2014)
    Katherine O'Neil Anderson - Maryland - http://www.nampn.org/cases/anderson_katherine.html (by dentals in 2014)


    Missing Persons that are currently being checked (in 2010) as matches for Arroyo Grande Jane Doe:
    Information shown by Name, Status and Date of Submission.
    Laureen Rahn - Checking CODIS -5/03
    Mary Trlica (AKA: Mary Rachell Arnold) Checking CODIS - 11/03
    Alana/Leticia Carter: Checking CODIS - 12/03
    Rebecca Rodriquez: Checking CODIS - 11/04
    Tracy King: Checking CODIS - 11/04
    Cindy Lou Werling: Checking CODIS - 11/04
    Ann Ellinwood: Checking CODIS - 11/04
    Diane Dye: Ck DNA CA DOJ - 3/06
    Teresa Alfonso: Checking DNA UNT (University North TX) - 7/08
    Sherrlynn Leigh Mitchell: Cheking with AU for DNA, etc. - 5/10
    Wilma Rae Vermaas: Checking CODIS - 6/10
    Adrianne Gilliam: Checking CODIS - 6/10
    Lucinda Schaefer: Checking CODIS - 6/10
    Brenda Crowley: Checking CODIS - 6/10
    Kristy Lynn Booth: Checking CODIS - 6/10
    Simone Ridinger: Checking CODIS - 6/10


    Rule outs on websleuth by members discussions:
    Laureen Rahn 1966 -New Hampshire - http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/204dfnh.html
    Rachael Garden 1964 -New Hampshire (by dentals) - http://www.missingkids.com/poster/NCMC/665523
    Suzanne Marie Schultz - Wisconsin - http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1182dfwi.html
    Margaret Kay Holst - Nebraska - http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2589dfne.html
    Sandra Kaye Butler - Nevada - http://www.missingkids.com/poster/NCMC/765685/1
    Melinda Karen Creech - Indiana - http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...h_melinda.html
    Rhonda Jane Stait - Australia - http://doenetwork.org/cases/2151dfnsw.html
    Julie Hill - Minnesota - http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hill_julie.html
    Theresa Louise Rains - California - (found out by starburst member that Theresa was located in 1999)
    Robyn Elizabeth Hickie - Australia - http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/63dfnsw.html
    Diane Genice Dye - California - http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/129dfca.html (in CODIS, haven't generated automatic hit against AGJD; last seen in 1981)
    Rachel Hanna Ziselman - California - (no strong resemblance) http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/73dfca.html
    Barbara Bruno - New York - https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/11582/2 (nose & mouth difference)
    Judy Worrell - California - https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/6910/27/ (last seen in 1981)
    Cynthia Joan Gastelle - http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...e_cynthia.html (identified by websleuths as being Haymarket Jane Doe found on February 12, 1982)
    Janice Younger - strong resemblance but have given birth previously, missing since July 1981- after UID found
    Beverly Lynn England - Colorado - http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...d_beverly.html (given birth previously)
    Helen Claire Frost - British Columbia - http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/254dfbc.html (gave birth previously)
    Mary Anne Wesolowski - New York - https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/2876/13 (crooked teeth)
    Kerry Ann Graham - California - http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/det...=5651331600149 (links from DOJ for any UIDs are not working/opening in Europe for some reason) http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/graham_kerry.html
    - too small resemblance
    Mary Weekly - Missouri - https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/24532/1/ (small resemblance)
    Gail Marie Dahl - California - http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/dahl_gail.html (way too tall)
    Jackie Kay Boyer - California - http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/boyer_jackie.html (too young)

    Pending suggestions on websleuth so far:
    Debra Lynn Kidwell -California - http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/870dfca.html
    Toni Maree Cavanagh - Australia - http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/654dfnsw.html
    Nadine O'Dell -Michigan - https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/2489/2/
    Kristy Lynne Booth - Texas - https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/2928/2/
    Tina Fay Kemp - Delaware - http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/k/kemp_tina.html
    Trenny Lynn Gibson - Tennessee - http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/425dftn.html
    Debra Pscholka - California - http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...lka_debra.html
    Janice Pockett - Connecticut - https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/2555/202/
    Patricia Zentner - Michigan - https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/9909/1/
    Sherry Jean Pickle - California - http://doenetwork.org/cases/1099dfca.html
    Patricia Gomez - California - http://doenetwork.org/cases/981dfca.html
    Ann Marie Ellinwood - Oregon - http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2522dfor.html
    Cindy May Brown - Minnesota - https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/20955/0/
    Star Joy Dodson -Pennsylvania - https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/27610/15/ (pic added now to Namus)
    Brenda Cecelia Crowley - New York - http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/872dfny.html
     
  19. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    Wow @Advocate fantastic work!!!! No doubt this will help us narrow down who this Jane Doe is!

    Good point about the gap in the front teeth. It reminded me that there was one girl with a tooth gap who I passed over bc I actually thought the UID didn't have a tooth gap. How wrong I was! Time to go back and find her and see if she is listed on the rule outs!!!
     
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