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NSW CHERYL GRIMMER: Missing from Fairy Meadow beach, NSW - 12 Jan 1970 - Age 3 *ARREST 2017*

Discussion in 'Australia: Missing & Unidentified' started by Lily, Apr 15, 2016.


    MULDER Bronze Member

    Main Stream Media

    24th March 2017

    Some details of the re-enactment -VIDEO AT THE LINK also:

    The two veteran policeman, both with decades of experience, were relentless in chasing down every possible lead.
    Last year they did a detailed re-enactment of events with the three brothers and two other men who, as children, were also at the shower block on the day.
    The re-enactment unearthed new information about exactly where Cheryl was, with police believing she was grabbed near a water bubbler.

    Parents died not knowing

    January 12, 1970: Cheryl disappears from shower block at Fairy Meadow beach

    Jan 14, 1970: Cheryl’s parents and three brothers plead for information

    Jan 15, 1970: Police get a note claiming Cheryl is safe and demanding $10,000 but no kidnapper ever turns up at the meeting point

    2008: A woman comes forward to say she believes she could be Cheryl but there is no DNA match

    May 2011: More than 40 years after the disappearance, Coroner Sharon Freund rules Cheryl is dead

    2013: Cheryl’s brothers make a deathbed promise to their mother Carole to never stop looking for her little girl. Both Cheryl’s parents died not knowing what happened to her

    Nov. 2016: Police and Cheryl’s brothers re-enact the day Cheryl disappeared

    Dec. 5, 2016: Police announce they have uncovered a potential new suspect

    Jan 2017: Detectives announce they want to speak to pupils and staff from the former Mount Penang Training School near Gosford

    March 22, 2017: Police arrest a 63-year-old man in Melbourne

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    MULDER Bronze Member

    In hindsight now, its interesting you said that way back then Kimster - he is alive.
    And I hope there is no more that we'll find out about.
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    MULDER Bronze Member

    Main Stream Media
    24th March 2017

    Brother of murdered toddler Cheryl Grimmer robbed of chance to look alleged killer in the eye
    *[My additions]
    The brother of three-year-old Cheryl Grimmer, who was allegedly abducted from a NSW beach and murdered 47 years ago, has missed out on looking her accused killer in the eye
    after *he [the accused] elected not to appear in court today.
    [the arrested man]... *He elected not to appear in the docks at Wollongong Local Court this morning, where his lawyer Laura Fennell made no application for bail and it was formally refused.
    Ms Fennell requested the court provide the accused with urgent psychiatric attention.
    Cheryl’s brother Stephen attended the court proceeding in the hope of being able to set eyes on the man charged with allegedly killing his sister.
    “We were expecting to see him in court today, yes, but that’s not to be,” he told reporters outside court.
    “We’re going to have to wait (until the next court date) and that’ll only be a video link.”
    Mr Grimmer became emotional as he spoke, admitting he was wearing sunglasses to hide his tears.
    “It’s a bit upsetting,” he said.
    The accused is set to appear in court again on May 24.
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  4. MissyMoo

    MissyMoo Bronze Member

    @MULDER dodgy times in SA in that era for sure.
    Kirste Gordon and Joanne Ratcliffe, i know they still suspect Hart for that one but creeps have that sick way of crossing paths and sticking together.
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  5. MissyMoo

    MissyMoo Bronze Member

  6. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

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    MULDER Bronze Member

    I'm with you there - totally strange reaction reported.
    But Im glad the Police found them.

    Police have found the British family who may have witnessed Cheryl Grimmer abduction

    Police said today inquiries through Interpol and media outlets had led investigators to the family in Nottinghamshire, England.
    Mavis Goodyear spoke to police along with her husband and daughters all those years ago. She told the Daily Mail she would help any way she could.

    “I thought it was all behind us, well in the past. I didn’t think it would be brought back up again but you know what they say, your past will always come back to bite you.”
    At the time Peter Goodyear told police he saw a man running away from the shower changing rooms with a limp, blond girl in his arms.

    Mrs Goodyear was shocked to see her family were on the TV news in relation to the case, which was one of Australia’s most enduring mysteries.
    “It’s not nice to come in from the garden and see yourself on the telly, not nice at all,” she told the Mail.
    One of her daughters lives close to her, while another lives in Inverness.

    After the breakthrough last month, Detective Inspector Brad Ainsworth said the circumstances of the case were horrific.
    He said it’s believed Cheryl was taken from the front of the surf club, not the back as originally thought, and that her death occurred within an hour or so after that.

    As a teenager he was interviewed by police after Cheryl’s disappearance but charges were not laid.
    The man, who cannot be named, will next appear in court on May 24.
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  8. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    As he should be, just for the mere fact he let the family suffer for DECADES.
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  9. TripleA

    TripleA Zoo Keeper

    So, I am confused. Did he confess? Did he give them the details?
  10. MULDER

    MULDER Bronze Member

    I don't know - I sounded like there was some details the Police obtained that no one knew about, for examples that Cheryl was murdered 1 hour after she disappeared.
    But since there has been the mental health aspect of the case, and the man being charged with the murder as an Adult - and searching further for witnesses.
    It sounds like his lawyer may be putting up some walls around the accused, so the police are going all out to get the conviction necessary over Cheryl's murder.

    Some more details and info re: Witness search
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    Calling Peter Goodyear, crucial witness to Grimmer cold case
    Angela Thompson and Glen Humphries
    13 Apr 2017, 10:30 a.m.

    Peter William Aubrey Goodyear, then aged 37, his wife, Mavis, and daughters, Karen, aged six, and Jannette, aged five, were living at the Fairy Meadow Commonwealth Hostel at the time.
    According to reports from the day, Mr Goodyear told police he saw a man running from the area with a motionless, fair-haired girl under his arm, the day Cheryl vanished.

    “I saw a little, dark man carrying a limp, blond-haired girl to the car. My daughter said to me, ‘Daddy, why is that man carrying that little girl?’,” Mr Goodyear told reporters.

    Mr Goodyear worked as a labourer at the John Lysaght Springhill metal works in the Illawarra before he moved his family to the ‘Biabi’ plantation on Kar Kar Island, Madang, Papua New Guinea in late 1970.
    The Goodyears later returned home to England and were last believed to be living in Oxton in Nottinghamshire.
    Late last month, officers attached to Strike Force Wessel charged a 63-year-old Melbourne man with the abduction and murder of three-year-old Cheryl.
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  11. MissyMoo

    MissyMoo Bronze Member

    What really irritates me is the suppression order, i get that he was under 18 at the time, but COME ON that was 47 years ago, its such BS.
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  12. MULDER

    MULDER Bronze Member

    Maybe now that he will be tried as an adult, this might change - and in light of the upcoming court dates, his name will be released.
    It may also help to jog other peoples memory if they have a name attached to this case.
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  13. Ladyslug

    Ladyslug Bronze Member


    A man accused of killing a UK-born toddler in Australia in 1970 once gave information to police about her possible resting place, a court has heard.

    Three-year-old Cheryl Grimmer went missing from a shower block at a New South Wales beach.

    A 63-year-old man, originally from Britain, was arrested in March and charged with her abduction and murder.

    A court heard the man confessed in 1971, but police had not believed him.

    The man, who was 17 at the time, had also given details about the possible location of her remains, the Wollongong court heard on Wednesday.
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  14. MULDER

    MULDER Bronze Member

    Thanks Ladyslug!
    There are more details coming out about what information he gave police at the time.
    Its very upsetting that Police may have had the information to arrest him back then.

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  15. MULDER

    MULDER Bronze Member

    Man allegedly confessed to 1970 abduction, murder of Cheryl Grimmer at Fairy Meadow Beach
    Shannon Tonkin
    25 May 2017,

    A Victorian man arrested over the disappearance and suspected murder of Cheryl Grimmer at Fairy Meadow Beach in January 1970 confessed to the killing 15 months later, a court has heard.
    Police claim the man gave investigating officers of the day intimate details of the crime that could only be known by the person responsible for her death.
    They include a description of the bathing suit she was wearing, the white towel she was carrying at the time of her disappearance, lines of sight on the day and the route he’d taken from
    the beach to the approximate area in Balgownie where he claimed to have buried Cheryl’s body.
    However, it was revealed in court on Wednesday that police ultimately dismissed the man’s confession at the time because some of the details he had provided were “inconsistent” with what police already knew about the case.
    But prosecutor Andrew McMaster said Wollongong detectives who re-opened the case last year had carried out further investigations which had “dispelled” those apparent inconsistencies.
    The man, now in his 60s, was arrested in March.
    He cannot be publicly identified because he was 17 at the time
    He has been in custody for the past two months, however sought bail in court on Wednesday.

    Mr McMahon opposed the man’s application for release, claiming the man presented a flight risk given he was not an Australian citizen and still possessed a foreign passport.
    He said the case against the man was strong.
    “He said [in his 1971 confession] that he’d been staying at the time in a Sydney hostel and caught the train to Fairy Meadow that morning and hung out at the beach,” Mr McMahon said.
    “He then provided significant details in relation to the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of Cheryl….details of which are confirmed by eye witness accounts….and details which the prosecution says could only be known by the offender.”
    The man even took police to an area near the corner of Brokers and Balgownie roads, claiming it was where Cheryl’s body was buried.
    The court heard the area was being developed for housing at the time and the man told police “I think this is it but it’s all changed”.
    Meantime, Legal Aid lawyer Laura Fennell said it would be argued at trial that her client was "significantly mentally unwell" at the time he made the alleged confession and that anything he said at the time was inadmissible in what was already a “troublingly weak” case.
    “The prosecution case relies of the confession and that will be contested,” she said.
    She claimed the man had also admitted to killing another person – a prison guard – around the same time, which was found to be untrue.
    Ms Fennell said the man’s wife could put up a significant amount of money to secure his release and he would agree to any bail conditions imposed on him.

    However, Magistrate Michael Stoddart refused bail, saying there were no bail conditions that could mitigate the risk posed if he was released.
    “In my view, on the face of it, there’s a strong case against [the accused] in relation to the charge of murder,” he said.
    The matter will return to court next month.

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  16. Lily

    Lily Bronze Member

    The man accused of murdering three-year-old Cheryl Grimmer at a beach near Wollongong almost 50 years ago had intended to have “sexual intercourse” with the girl before allegedly killing her, a court has heard.

    On Wednesday the local court in the New South Wales town heard that on the day Grimmer disappeared the man, who cannot be named because he was 15 at the time of the alleged offence, had watched her drink from a bubbler outside the changing rooms at Fairy Meadow beach before he “grabbed” her.

    The prosecutor, EmilijaBeljic, told the court that the crown’s case “largely depends” on an admission made by the man less than 18 months after Grimmer disappeared.

    The court heard that the man – who allegedly told doctors in 1970 that he had “urges to kill himself and kill other people” – told police at the time he had hid with the toddler in a nearby drain for about 35 minutes, gagging her with a handkerchief and tying her hands behind her back with a shoelace before taking her to the spot where he allegedly murdered her.

    In never before-heard detail of the way Grimmer is alleged to have been killed, the court heard that after hiding in the drain, the man walked towards the suburb of Balgownie – about 3km away – where he was “intending to have sexual intercourse with her”.


    But as part of a new investigation into Grimmer’s disappearance as a result of a 2011 coroner’s report, the property owner’s son had been interviewed by police and told them “the cattle guard was certainly in place [and] that he recalls the tubular gate”.

    Beljic also said parts of the man’s confession included information “which could only be known by the accused because of his presence [at the beach]”, including that Grimmer had been lifted up to drink from the fountain.

    As part of the reopened investigation, Grimmer’s older brother Ricki Grimmer told police that he remembered lifting his sister to drink from the bubbler outside of the beach change rooms.


    The trial will resume at a committal hearing on 28 July, when the defence will cross examine retired detective Phillip Findlay on his evidence.

    Findlay was one of the original detectives who worked on Grimmer’s case after her disappearance in 1970.

  17. Lily

    Lily Bronze Member

    .....I cannot even speak the words to describe how angry this stupid law makes me.

    I very well could have raised my daughter around the corner from this monster, when she was small. Or right next door. And I'd never know.

    He's an adult now.... why should he be protected???

    So, so angry.
  18. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Administrator Staff Member

    Do the laws in Australia allow for minors to be prosecuted as adults? Or does he face these charges as the protected 15-year-old?
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  19. Lily

    Lily Bronze Member

    That is a really good question! As far as I know, in my state kids under 10 can't be tried, kids over 10 but under 14 get an easy ride in juvenile court... but I -think- that as a 15yo at the time, he -might- be able to be tried as the adult he is now.. but don't quote me. That info is surprisingly hard to find, as to what laws apply to him all those years later.

    Clearly, our laws about minors and the media are upheld for him...... /fume! / .... When I have the time and energy, I really really want to do what I can to get that situation changed, in the case of sexual crimes and homicide, especially where the victims are minors. Petitions, letters.. idk. Someone -has to- do something!
  20. KareBear

    KareBear Well-Known Member

    :jail::waiting: After all this time! Im so glad for the breakthrough! :highfive:
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