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GA DECATUR JOHN DOE: BM, 5-7, found behind cemetery in Decatur, GA - 26 Feb 1999

Discussion in 'Unidentified 1990 to 1999' started by SheWhoMustNotBeNamed, Mar 11, 2017.

  1. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Administrator Staff Member

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    An unidentified deceased boy was found on February 26, 1999. His body was found in a wooded area behind a small church cemetery on Clifton Springs Road in South Dekalb County, Georgia. The boy had been deceased for several months before he was found.

    He is estimated to be 5-7 years of age. He stood approximately 4’00” tall and weighed about 50 pounds.

    He was found wearing an XL blue plaid and navy hooded sweatshirt, red denim jeans, size 3, and size 11 Timberland boots. A digitally enhanced image of the boots and a replica image of the sweatshirt is displayed.

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    Advance forensic analysis of his bones has suggested that the child is from the local region which encompasses Dekalb County, the Atlanta area, South Georgia and possibly into Northern Florida.

    NCMEC - http://www.missingkids.com/poster/NCMU/1105216/1


    An unidentified deceased boy was found on February 26, 1999. His body was found in a wooded area behind a small church cemetery on Clifton Springs Road in South Dekalb County, Georgia. The boy had been deceased for several months before he was found.

    He is estimated to be 5-7 years of age. He stood approximately 4’00” tall and weighed about 50 pounds.

    He was found wearing an XL blue plaid and navy hooded sweatshirt, red denim jeans, size 3, and size 11 Timberland boots. A digitally enhanced image of the boots and a replica image of the sweatshirt is displayed.


    Media - https://crimewatchers.net/forum/ind...hind-a-small-church-cemetery-in-georgia.2078/

    https://crimewatchers.net/forum/ind...tery-its-time-to-give-him-back-his-name.4483/
     
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  2. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Administrator Staff Member

    Estimated age: PreAdolescent
    Minimum age: 5 years
    Maximum age: 7 years
    Race: Black/African American
    Sex: Male
    Weight (pounds): 50, Estimated
    Height (inches): 48, Estimated

    RULE OUTS
    The following people have been ruled out as being this decedent:
    Reuben Blackwell - Maryland
    Jamaree Coleman - Georgia
    Ashani Creighton - Florida
    Deangelo McNeil - Texas
    D'wan Sims - Michigan
    Dorien Thomas - Texas
    Quinn Woodfolk - Virginia

    NAMUS - https://identifyus.org/en/cases/6002
     
  3. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Administrator Staff Member

  4. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    Such a little guy. Why wouldn't his mom want to see him buried in dignity? :(
     
  5. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Administrator Staff Member

    Can you identify this missing boy found in Dekalb County?

    The remains of a young boy found in DeKalb County have gone unidentified for 20 years, and the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children (NCMEC) wants to give him his name back.

    The organization said his body was found in a wooded area near a church cemetery on Clifton Springs Rd. in south DeKalb County on February 26, 1999.

    NCMEC said investigators discovered the boy was likely between four and 8-years-old, was of African-American descent, and probably died between three and six months before his remains were found.

    The boy is thought to have been between 3’10” and 4’2” and weigh about 45-60 pounds, NCMEC said. When he was discovered, he was wearing a XL blue plaid and navy hoodie, size three red denim jeans and size 11 Timberland boots, the organization said.

    Through forensic analysis, investigators also determined he was likely born and raised in the southeast, specifically in Georgia or Florida, the organization said.

    Watch this video from NCMEC to learn more about this missing child. Anyone with information about this case can call NCMEC at 1-800-843-5678 or the DeKalb Medical Examiner at 404-508-3500.

    https://wgxa.tv/news/local/can-you-identify-this-missing-boy-found-in-dekalb-county


     
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  6. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Administrator Staff Member

    Two decades later, still trying to ID dead young boy found in DeKalb County cemetery

    Twenty years ago today, then Fox 5 reporter Angeline Correa (now Hartmann) drove to a South DeKalb County cemetery after the skeletal remains of an unidentified young boy were found.

    It was a wooded area near a small church cemetery off Clifton Springs Road.

    Who was this boy? He had been dead for several months, the cops said. He was black, between the ages of 5 and 8. He appeared well cared for and well dressed before he died. Early reconstructions of what he might have looked like bore no fruit. Nor did her multiple news reports.

    Nobody came forward who knew who the little John Doe was. The investigators were unable to connect a reported missing child with this particular one. Even after Hartmann left Fox 5 in 2005 and worked with “America’s Most Wanted,” she kept publicizing the case.

    In an interview today, Hartmann said the case continues to haunt her. She is now the director of broadcast and digital media for the National Center of Missing & Exploited Children in Alexandria.

    “His shoelaces were double knotted,” she said. “He was wearing Timberland boots that were introduced the year before. There were no signs of neglect. In fact, there were signs of love.”

    Paloma Galzi, a forensic imaging specialist for the center, created a new reconstruction of the boy’s face using his skull that is far more realistic than what had been done before.

    “I just believe somebody out there knows this child,” Hartmann said. “It just hasn’t reached the right person.”

    She created a podcast called “Inside Crime with Angeline Hartmann” and is spreading a video package with the newly constructed photo throughout social media.

    https://www.ajc.com/blog/radiotvtal...ound-decatur-cemetery/TwsIYeptRsB7lo3Bwkdv9M/

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  7. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

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  8. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Administrator Staff Member

    This is heartbreaking. Little guy who appeared loved, and not neglected or abused, found dead behind a cemetery.
    Maybe a family that couldn't afford a burial?
    Of course, there is always the possibility that something happened to a "usually" loved and cared for little guy.
    Look at those little boots. :(

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  9. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    I wonder if this is a situation similar to the death of Caylee Anthony.

    Mother has child cared for often by the maternal grandparents. Mother neglects/murders child. Doting grandparents are deveatated, but also want to protect their daughter. Could even just be a single parent AND single grandparent household.

    Perhaps the child was well cared for by one guardian, but not the other. The guardian who cared for the child more also cared about the other abusive guardian enough to not want them punished legally for the child’s death. This is why I think a mother/grandmother guardianship might be going on here.

    The best the more caring guardian could do to try to show respect to the child while keeping the death secret would be to get them as close to “consecrated” ground of a church/cemetary as possible.

    Possibly they were too emotional to conceal the child’s body

    OR

    they could have wanted the child eventually found (which could point to a guardian who feared the other abusive guardian)
     
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  10. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Administrator Staff Member

    All good theories, @DaisyChains . I hadn't even considered the "Anthony angle".

    Possibly a family that has other children as well. Maybe a parent/guarding that has been in trouble with the law already (not abuse related) and didn't want this to affect the custody of their other children.
     
  11. Jason Futch

    Jason Futch TCCF Host, King of the Highway

    I always found this reconstruction of the boy VERY creepy for some reason...it looks like something is about to hatch out of his head and his facial expressions look like he's about to experience excruciating pain from it. Nonetheless, in all seriousness, this case is about an hour and a half from where I am from in Florida. My mom is actually from Decatur County.
     
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  12. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Administrator Staff Member

    Size 11 kids shoes seems to be about average for a 4-year-old... https://www.blitzresults.com/en/childrens-shoe-sizes/
    Also, size 3 pants...does that even exist? I know about 3T, but 3? Most kids clothes don't size that way. If it's size 3T, that's average for a 3 year old. https://www.blitzresults.com/en/childrens-sizes/
    But then, we have a child's XL shirt (average for a 10-11 year old that he must have been swimming in). Possible they got that shirt size wrong or...?

    Approximately 4'0", average for a 6-7 year old. (NamUs now says 3'8" - 4'2". Average for 5 1/2 - 8 years)
    50 pounds, average for an 8 year old. (NamUs now says 45-60 pounds. Average for 6 - 8 1/2.)


    These measurements all throw me off. I see the age estimate of 5-7. Then I look at the clothing sizes and everything except his shirt makes me think he's on the younger end of that. Then I see his height and weight which point to the older end of that range. I just don't know.
    Weight makes me think okay, he's younger, but heavier. But then how in the heck was in size 3 jeans?


    I feel like this is one that maybe could have been solved pretty quickly if we had huge social media like we do now. Like the little girl that was just dumped in Hacienda Heights and IDed not even 2 days later. If his face and info was flooded into the area at that time, maybe someone would have noticed. At this point, it will be very, very hard.
     
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  13. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Administrator Staff Member

    Retired teacher says boy found dead nearly 20 years ago may have been one of her students: Report

    Around three weeks after the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children created a forensic image of what a deceased boy probably looked like before authorities found his remains in Georgia, a retired teacher spotted him on the news. She said she may have had the child in one of her classes.

    A retired educator told her daughter that the boy greatly resembled a former student in one of her classes. She said the little boy left school one day and never came back to class.

    The teacher’s daughter, speaking on her behalf, reached out to FOX 5, and the outlet put her in touch with Angeline Hartmann, who has been discussing the case on her podcast, “Inside Crime with Angeline Hartmann.”

    “I was just watching the news and I saw it pop up… and I said I wonder if that was the same little boy my mom was talking about,” the daughter said, explaining she didn’t want to be named at this time.

    Hartmann said the former teacher never forgot about the little boy who “stopped showing up to school” suddenly.

    “I’m not trying to get these people in trouble… it’s just that that little boy looked like the little boy that I knew,” the retired teacher explained to Hartmann.

    “It was something about him that was kind of sad… he was a sweet little boy… but I admired him because he always dressed nice. And those Timberlands had just come out at that time.”

    “It was sad to think about this young child just out in the open like that and it was an unusual location. In the south, small cemeteries can be found in some obscure places,” Hartmann told NCMEC. “This cemetery was just a little triangle, in the middle of a neighborhood. You really wouldn’t know it was there unless you were familiar with the area.”

    https://www.crimeonline.com/2019/03...ars-may-have-been-one-of-her-students-report/
     
  14. Skitt

    Skitt Bronze Member

  15. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Administrator Staff Member

    What case is this? I can find no John Doe in Decatur County, GA from 1998 with NamUs or Doe Network...
    Or Decatur County in several other states.
     
  16. Skitt

    Skitt Bronze Member

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  17. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Administrator Staff Member

    @Jason Futch
    Can you shed a bit more light on which case this is? I couldn't find any matching cases to link info.
     
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  18. Jason Futch

    Jason Futch TCCF Host, King of the Highway

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  19. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Administrator Staff Member

    Thanks @Jason Futch
    He does. I've merged them.
    Thank you for covering this little guy. I don't want to wait until November!
     
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