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SC DOLPHIN DOE: WF, found floating in Myrtle Beach ocean - May 2013 *Robin Ann Kelly*

Discussion in 'Identified!' started by Kimster, Jul 5, 2015.

  1. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member


    [​IMG]More images at NamUS link ***WARNING: GRAPHIC***

    Case Information
    Status Unidentified
    Case number 13-009259
    Date found May 25, 2013 08:30

    Local Contact (ME/C or Other)
    Agency Horry County Coroner's Office
    Phone 843.915.5110
    Agency Horry Cnty Coroners Ofc
    Phone 843-915-5110
    Case Manager
    Name Tiffany Whitmire
    Phone 843-918-1382
    Minimum age 55 years
    Maximum age 65 years
    Race White
    Sex Female
    Weight (pounds) 165, Estimated
    Height (inches) 67, Estimated

    Probable year of death 2013 to
    Estimated postmortem interval 5 Hours
    Location Found
    Address 1 24th Ave South
    Address 2 Ocean
    City Myrtle beach
    State South Carolina
    Zip code 29577
    County Horry
    A body was located floating in the ocean at 24th Ave South in Myrtle Beach.

    Hair color Red/Auburn

    Head hair
    reddish brown

    Left eye color Brown

    Right eye color Brown
    Scars and marks
    Skin tag on left eye lid.
    Left ankle approximately 3'' in circumference depicting a beach/ocean scene with two dolphins at the top of the tattoo. Colorful (bright yellows, reds and oranges)

    Status: Fingerprint information is available and entered
    Clothing and Accessories
    No clothing or accessories
    Clothing and accessories are described below
    Clothing on body
    Black, Blue, Green and white floral print bathing suit top, gray shorts, t-shirt with wording "sail fast-live slow" Beaufort NC
    bike and white Reebok hexalite shoes

    Status: Dental information / charting is available and entered
    Status: Sample available - Not yet submitted


    Last edited: Jul 7, 2015
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    MULDER Bronze Member

    Thankyou Kimster - so glad Dolphin Doe has a thread :thankyou:

    Here is another picture of Dolphin Doe - this one done by an artist has the Doe with Blue Eyes - the correct eye colour reported at NAMUS is BROWN

    woman pulled from ocean picture.jpg

    I dont know if this is any help but here below is a rendered version of Dolphin Doe with Brown eyes.
    This IS NOT an official released photo - just a version with the eye colour adjusted.

    dolphin doe brown eyes 2.JPG
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  3. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    Thank you MULDER! I hadn't found that and this will be a much better picture to put up on our media board and share on social media! I really really appreciate you taking the time!
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  4. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    I'll have to wait to make the changes when I'm on a computer. Can't seem to do it from my phone!
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  5. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    Finally got her new picture uploaded. Thanks again, @MULDER!!!
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  6. MissyMoo

    MissyMoo Bronze Member

    Found floating in the ocean - that would seem to be the loneliest ending ever for any person :vigil:
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  7. GGE

    GGE GGE = GonnaGetEm

  8. GGE

    GGE GGE = GonnaGetEm

    IMO the chins, noses, and lips are almost identical.
  9. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Administrator Staff Member

    Wow, GGE! Nice catch! Can definitely see a resemblance.

    My only "concern" is that Renee has 4 additional tattoos that were not noted on Dolphin Doe.

    Anyone know why Dolphin Doe's DNA has not been run? Her NamUs says DNA is available but not yet submitted. Renee has her DNA in the NamUs database. If/when Dolphin Doe's DNA is ran that would be easy.

    Might be worth submitting anyway.
  10. GGE

    GGE GGE = GonnaGetEm

    yeah the thing is, I've read in another particular case that was solved after like 20 years just recently that the detective in that case thought that just uploading the DNA from his UID was enough to make the database compare eerything for matches. It wasn't until an independant investigator came in and manually selected individuals to compare the DNA to and then ran it that it compared the DNA to anyone at all. Just uploading does nothing. I was shocked that LE doesn't know this. But if they don't TRY to compare this UID's DNA to specifically chosen people in NAMUS, it's not gonna find a match. You can't just upload it and think the computer does the work. I bet there are TONS of cases where this is the problem.
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  11. GGE

    GGE GGE = GonnaGetEm

    I don't know how to submit something or who to do it to. I did contact the only person whose email address was on the NAMUS report though. It was an email that goes back to a university so I don't even know if it was just a random family member's address (because family can submit listings) or what?
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  12. GGE

    GGE GGE = GonnaGetEm

    re: the tattoos - Renee was last seen in 2007 but wasn't reported missing until 2014. Lots of time in there to get additional tattoos that her family didn't know about IMO.
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  13. GGE

    GGE GGE = GonnaGetEm

    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Just trying to see any further resemblances. IMO this is a dead ringer (pardon the pun).
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  14. GGE

    GGE GGE = GonnaGetEm

    I got word back from the person I contacted, who informed me that both the UID and Pastore are noted to have had fingerprint data uploaded with their cases, and since there was no automatic flag for any matches on either observed to occur after the fact, they must not be the same person. I replied to let him know that it is my understanding that they must be manually checked or at least requested to be checked against one another for it to happen, at least with DNA, at least with SOME databases, and thanked him for the info and wished him luck with this case.

    So. I do think this may well be a match but one that hasn't been properly manipulated in the databases, to be honest. and IMO. But it won't be found out because it's presumed that uploading fingerprints is the same thing as running the query to find matches on them.

    and hey maybe it is.

    or maybe it's not.
  15. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    :highfive: @GGE ! Take a test run and see how it works, I say!
  16. MissyMoo

    MissyMoo Bronze Member

    Good work GGE. Well done mate.
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  17. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Administrator Staff Member

    Renee already had those additional tattoos when she disappeared. She was noted as having 5 total tattoos.

    Dolphin Doe only has 1 tattoo noted, the one on her ankle of the dolphins.

    People can definitely add tattoos, but having 4 removed isn't too likely. Unless DD does have those tattoos and they just weren't noted in the case file.
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  18. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Administrator Staff Member

    I was under the impression that all of that is automatically checked... If a Doe has DNA entered into NamUs, it will auto-check against any missing persons with their DNA in NamUs also, and then flag any matches. Same with fingerprints and dentals.

    I can't remember who I heard it from, maybe Carl.

    Hopefully that's how it works. Seems like a poor use of resources if it doesn't automatically check. So many matches could be missed that way, like you said.
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  19. GGE

    GGE GGE = GonnaGetEm

    whoops I was getting the ladies' information switched/inside out IYKWIM. I'm talking about adding but the relevant situation would have required removing. Sorry, and thanks for pointing that out!
  20. Advocate

    Advocate Ask me how to get your loved one in NamUs

    The DNA would have to be available in the same system. I can name a few cases where the UP was not in the same database as the MP. If you see DNA complete on NamUs; make sure you still turn any potential matches in
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