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ISABEL CELIS & MARIBEL GONZALEZ: Arizona vs. Christopher Clements for kidnapping & murder

Discussion in 'Courtroom' started by ~Lyric~, Jul 14, 2015.

  1. Uno2Much

    Uno2Much Bronze Member

    I'm not sure what to think. Did he watch Becky leave for work and think the house was empty? Clements had a history of researching his victims. He likely had stalked the Celis home for a while, so he should have known that the house wouldn't be empty. Why wouldn't he break in while everyone was at a softball game or at work/school if his object was burglary?

    I think Clements may have been watching the family and knew they had a young daughter. I wouldn't be surprised if he had been looking in the windows during the day while the family was away, to locate the little girl's bedroom. It would be easy to distinguish a little girl's room from an adult's room and a boys' room just by the contents and decor.

    JMO

    LE had video of the Celis home from the night Isabel was abducted, but I wonder if they looked through the surveillance tapes for anyone suspicious near the home in the week(s) before Isa was taken.
     
  2. Mysteries1974

    Mysteries1974 Well-Known Member

    Your probably right
     
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  3. Jezzabel

    Jezzabel Well-Known Member

    Clements was a burglar as well as a killer, possibly a serial killer & definetly a sex offender. Maribel's body was found with an anchor necklace which was not hers. (there are articles stating it was but that's not true per her mother). He stole jewelry. Could this anchor necklace be from one of the homes he stole from? Also, while looking for anchor necklaces I found Mariner's St. Clements anchor necklaces. Did he leave a clue?

    On June 6, 2014, Pima County Sheriff's deputies responded to a suspicious call at Trico and Avra Valley Rd. That's where they found the 13-year-old's body in a state of early decomposition. On her a necklace investigators said, “we're especially interested in this piece of jewelry, because her friends and family didn't recognize it and we believe whoever Maribel was with around the time she died may have given it to her.”

    http://www.kvoa.com/story/28649642/...ontinue-to-search-for-maribel-gonzales-killer
     
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  4. Jezzabel

    Jezzabel Well-Known Member

  5. Jezzabel

    Jezzabel Well-Known Member

    Iirc & please correct me if I'm wrong, Becky left around 7 am. and Isabel was reported 8:15? something am. The neighbor in the alley guest house next to the C's home, heard men talking in the alley around 6:30 am. Just trying to recall the approximate times.

    The released LE docs found the screen off Isabel's bedroom window. A footprint was found on a utility box in the alley. They thought the person could have climbed over the 6' fence by stepping on it. Footprints were found at a neighbor's house (the P's) on a tarp and/or around Isabel's window and at another neighbors house.

    Iirc, two houses down from them, a SO was living with some woman. Nothing much ever came from him in the news.

    Just trying to figure out how this guy might have had contact with the C's prior to Isabel being taken. It's frightening someone came in and did this to Isabel if just completely random. Stalking, chills. Also for Maribel. I remember when she was found. Thought it was weird the TPD wouldn't release Isabel's location but did read the PI"s blog that had information not released. Never knew if it was true or not. Obviously some sure was.


     
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  6. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Administrator Staff Member

    Steller column: After indictment, we owe the parents of Isabel Celis an apology

    From 2012 up until Saturday, most of us were pretty sure we knew what happened to little Isabel Celis.

    The dad did it.

    Or the dad knew who did it.


    Or the parents knew she was abducted because they owed a debt to Mexican drug traffickers. Something sensational like that.

    These were the sorts of suspicions we shared in idle conversations around Tucson, in social-media posts, even on national TV. That dad sure looked and acted suspicious. And why did the mom stick by him? Something was wrong with them.

    Then came Saturday, and the announcement that a grand jury had indicted Christopher M. Clements, a serial criminal with no known connections to the family, for murder in the deaths of 6-year-old Isabel and of 13-year-old Maribel Gonzalez.

    Suddenly, it turns out, none of the stories we told each other and ourselves appear true. Worse, we have been casually badmouthing, publicly or privately, parents who suffered the worst nightmare we can imagine: Not just losing a child, but allegedly losing her to a convicted sex offender who took her out her bedroom window at night.

    https://tucson.com/news/local/stell...e_a0a50e6d-09d0-5ee7-86ba-946f04cd9bb1.html#1
     
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  7. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    I'm really glad they wrote this. I remember all of the accusations on the parents and dealing with the wrong crowd, Etc. This is just a good reminder that the public should stop rushing to judgment in all things.
     
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  8. Jezzabel

    Jezzabel Well-Known Member

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  10. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    I haven't seen any visuals, but could he have seen her bedroom window from the alley?
     
  11. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Administrator Staff Member

    Clements pleads not guilty in deaths of Isabel Celis, Maribel Gonzales

    Christopher Clements, the man accused of kidnapping and killing two Tucson girls years ago, had his first court appearance in Pima County Monday, Sept. 24.

    Clements pleaded not guilty to 22 felony charges, including first-degree murder, kidnapping, sexual exploitation of a minor and possession of child porn.

    A judge entered the plea for Clements, who had not been assigned a lawyer beforehand. He is being held on $2 million cash bond.

    https://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/2018/...-guilty-deaths-isabel-celis-maribel-gonzales/
     
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  12. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Administrator Staff Member

    Evidence photos, autopsy reports released in Celis, Gonzales murder investigations

    The Pima County Attorney’s office has released new documents in connection with the murder investigations of Isabel Celis and Maribel Gonzales.

    The office has released new evidence photos. These photos show items that were found in the former backyard of the suspect, Christopher Clements. Officials also released the autopsy reports of both of the young victims.

    https://kvoa.com/news/local-news/20...ased-in-celis-gonzales-murder-investigations/


    Video at link.
    WHO IS MERCEDEZ???


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  13. Steve

    Steve Well-Known Member

    I’m hoping that it’s Isabel, going by her middle name. I have seen her middle name as “Mercedes” in news stories, but I have not seen it made explicit that she ever went by that name instead of Isabel.

    Maybe someone here has more info?
     
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  14. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Administrator Staff Member

    Prosecutors want more time to consider death penalty in killing of Tucson girls

    The Pima County Attorney's Office has asked for more time to consider the death penalty in the case of a man accused of killing two Tucson girls.


    Christopher Matthew Clements, 36, was arrested in September in connection with the slayings of 6-year-old Isabel Celis and 13-year-old Maribel Gonzalez.

    He's facing 22 charges in connection with the girls' deaths, including two counts of first-degree murder, two counts of kidnapping a minor under 15 and burglary. He's also facing 14 counts of sexual exploitation of a minor, related to child pornography discovered in his possession.

    The county attorney's office initially had until Nov. 24 to provide notice if they wished to pursue the death penalty, but requested an extension until Jan. 25.

    On Monday, they asked for a second extension, requesting an additional 60 days to make a decision.

    Judge Deborah Bernini granted the request Wednesday. The state now has until March 25 to provide notice.

    https://tucson.com/news/local/prose...cle_b4e928e0-1b7a-11e9-a55d-5f0cf27ae0da.html
     
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  15. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Administrator Staff Member

    State to seek death penalty for man accused of killing Isabel Celis and Maribel Gonzales

    Arizona will seek the death penalty for Christopher Matthew Clements, the man accused of killing Isabel Celis and Maribel Victoria Gonzales.

    According to a spokeswoman at Pima County Superior Court, the judge will be issuing a notice specific to this filing in the next week or so.

    http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/2019/0...ccused-killing-isabel-celis-maribel-gonzales/
     
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  16. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Administrator Staff Member

    Christopher Clements challenges indictment in Isabel Celis and Maribel Gonzales case

    The man accused of kidnapping and murdering Isabel Celis and Maribel Gonzales is challenging his indictment in court.

    A grand jury indicted Christopher Clements on 21 charges last October. In a grand jury proceeding, prosecutors present the case. The defendant does not have an attorney present to contradict prosecutors.

    Clements’ attorneys filed a motion to redetermine the most serious charges, including kidnapping and murdering the girls. They wrote, “the state withheld evidence favorable to the defense including exculpatory evidence. The State also misrepresented important evidence that unfairly prejudiced the defense.”

    More: https://kvoa.com/news/local-news/20...nt-in-isabel-celis-and-maribel-gonzales-case/
     
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  17. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Administrator Staff Member

    Isabel Celis, Maribel Gonzalez murder suspect may have more victims

    A former jail mate of Christopher Clements claims the accused child killer, who has been charged with raping and murdering two Tucson-area girls, bragged about getting away with other murders.

    The inmate, Derrick Brady, spent time with Clements in Maricopa County Jail.

    “The crimes he is involved in are disgusting and horrifying,” Brady wrote in a letter to ABC15. “His attitude about them was cavalier to say the least…He stood at our cell door and bragged about ‘getting away with it before, and I’ll get away with it again.’”

    Sources also told ABC15 that law enforcement agencies are investigating Clements for specific missing children cases in Arizona and multiple states, including Oregon, Washington, and Florida.

    He has a criminal record for a variety of crimes in all of those states, records show.

    https://www.abc15.com/news/local-ne...gonzalez-murder-suspect-may-have-more-victims
     
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