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JON BENET RAMSEY: What's your theory on what happened to her?

Discussion in 'Cold Cases' started by Vicky, Jan 8, 2016.

  1. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    Also many think they did not get off easy and that they were already guilty in the minds of investigators. That is not true. They got it easy! No accountability. They were not grilled to the extent they should have been. People closest to the victim are almost always investigated first in cases such as these. Its protocol.

    Why were the parents released so soon?
    “We also should have separated John and Patsy and gotten full statements from them that day,” Beckner has said.

    Letting them go was a big mistake, as they soon lawyered up and we did not get to formally interview them again until May of 1997, five months after their daughter was murdered.”

    Ridiculous! This was the first case of its kind for the boulder PD so I can kind of understand why they screwed up and didn’t separate the parents when trying to get initial statement. No child had been murdered and had a ransom note left before in that town, but then again FBI hadn’t seen many instances of such a lengthy and potentially incriminating ransom note left in a home where the body already had been placed.
  2. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    What happened with the grand jury?
    In 1999, a grand jury voted to indict both Ramsey parents for the crime. But the district attorney declined to sign the indictment, citing thin evidence, and instead said no further court action would be taken. That decision only came to light in 2013.

    This is the same GJ that found the Ramsey’s guilty of child abuse. The DA Was wrong to disregard the multiple opinions of civilians invested in this case and entrusted with good faith to decide with a fair and just mind. It’s as if one man’s opinion was more important than the people’s.

    That DNA found on her undies clearly could have been from any number of persons who handled them during manufacturing. It wasn’t exactly significant enough of a sample. It could be absolute direct evidence from her attacker, but possibly could also be of a foreign unrelated source that may have handled the panties before the attack. We just don’t know.

    In short, you cannot base guilt or lack there of on a LIMITED sample that can’t be proven as being present when the attack happened instead of prior to the attack. So for the DA to base guilt/innocence off of a limited sample of unknown origin (how it got there) is RIDICULOUSSSS. It seems he cleared the parents based on a limited unknown sample. Not smart.
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  3. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

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    DaisyChains Bronze Member

  5. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    I continue to bounce around this case like a basketball. One minute I think this, the next I think that.

    I really, really wish they'd get a match on that undetermined DNA sample.
  6. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    The problem is the sample is insufficient and limited - only respresenting a few genetic markers, but not enough to have a profile to work from. I‘m wondering if the prosecution ever brought that up during the grand jury trial?
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  7. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    UHHHH... Anyone seen John Ramsey's handwriting before? Kind of... interesting. Hm maybe John covered it up all on his own! I wish there was a more complete sample of his writing! Holy moly!


    Again, I agree with Arndt in having sympathy for Patsy and suspicions about John. Arndt befriended Patsy and I'm convinced that she understood Patsy's heart and innocence.
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  8. spike

    spike Bronze Member

    I continue to stand my ground.
    Intruder, lurking within the house for hours. Waiting.
    Each moment, for him/her, more thrilling.

    Had a need to hurt the parents in the deepest most horrific way.
  9. Lily

    Lily Bronze Member

    Ooooh, yessss... this is my a 'safe space' to talk about that guy, lol... and will, when I get my thoughts together.

    Another one whose behaviour is stand-out (to put it very, very mildly indeed) is Santa Bill.

    I really cannot settle with this family's most (obviously) beloved and treasured child dying while her parents watched -- let alone them doing the garotte and strangling her with it like that, and poking a sharp stick into her.

    If John is such a psychopathic pedo as to be --able-- to do that, he'd have harmed other kids, no doubt about that, very likely his own or those close in proximity. Not a single clue or word he's ever been untoward to a child, from anyone.

    YET.. and isn't there --always- a 'yet' in this crime???? maddening -- they could indeed have been a lot more co-operative and it's hard to comprehend why they were not. Unless someone warned them not to be? Ie, they were told the cops were eyeballing them, from the get-go. That'd make me run for the nearest bunker, even if I was innocent.
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  10. spike

    spike Bronze Member

    Lily, Santa Bill creeps me out.
    If not he, then possibly an associate. IMO
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  11. Sunburst

    Sunburst Bronze Member


    • He assisted in the investigations of the 1996 death of American child beauty pageant queen JonBenet Ramsey
    • He also worked on the 2006 Phoenix Baseline Killer case, the 1999 Columbine High School shooting and recently the Maryvale shootings in Phoenix

    Forensic psychiatrist Steven Pitt was shot to death in Scottsdale AZ last night. Police are not sure if his death is connected to his work-the investigation is continuing.
    ........ "Pitt is known for assisting in six-year-old JonBenet's death investigation after she was found brutally murdered in her Boulder, Colorado home.
    The psychiatrist believed the pineapple found in JonBenet's digestive tract was a key to the investigation as it was proof she ate not long before she died.

    Her mother Patsy said that the beauty queen hadn't eaten any fruit before she went missing, however the mother's fingerprints were found on the fruit bowl, raising Pitt's suspicions towards a cover up. "

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ey-investigation-shot-dead.html#ixzz5HESnTbQ2
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  12. patsella

    patsella Bronze Member

    Thank you for posting this Sunburst. I had no idea. Very sad.
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    patsella Bronze Member

  14. Sunburst

    Sunburst Bronze Member

    The Daily Mail prints many stories about U.S. events that American papers barely cover, if they are covered at all.
  15. spike

    spike Bronze Member

    It wasn't the Ramseys.
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  16. Paradise

    Paradise Media Mod

    Scottsdale police say 4th killing connected to deaths of psychiatrist, 2 paralegals
    Bree Burkitt, The Republic | azcentral.com Published 12:17 p.m. MT June 2, 2018 | Updated 1:19 p.m. MT June 2, 2018

    Steven Pitt, 59, was gunned down outside his Phoenix-area office in broad daylight. Here's what to know about the noted forensic psychiatrist. Noah Lau, The Republic | azcentral.com

    A fatal shooting Saturday morning in Scottsdale is connected to the murder of a forensic psychiatrist and two paralegals earlier this week, police said.

    Sgt. Ben Hoster, a spokesman for the Scottsdale Police Department, said the department is investigating a fourth homicide at an office near Hayden and Mountain View roads. He did not provide any additional information about the victim or a suspect.

    The scene was secured with crime tape shortly before noon Saturday. Multiple police cruisers were parked outside of the office complex. Two cars were parked in the lot behind the tape.

    2 women shot to death in downtown Scottsdale
    Two women were fatally shot near First and 75th streets in Scottsdale on June 1, 2018. Johanna Huckeba/The Republic
    On Friday, 48-year-old Veleria Sharp and 49-year-old Laura Anderson were shot and killed at the law office of Burt, Feldman and Greneir near First and 75th streets about 2:15 p.m. They both worked as paralegals.

    Steven Pitt, a forensic psychiatrist who consulted on a number of high-profile cases including the Baseline Killer case and the JonBenét Ramsey murder investigation, was killed outside of his office near Scottsdale and Bell roads Thursday, police said.

    A police sketch of the man suspected of killing Steven Pitt on May 31, 2018. (Photo: Phoenix Police Department)

    Witnesses told police they heard a loud argument followed by gunshots, Phoenix Police Sgt. Vince Lewis said Friday. Pitt was pronounced dead at the scene.

    The shooter fled the area. Lewis said the shooter was described as an adult male, bald and wearing a dark-colored hat with a short brim.

    Hoster, a spokesman for the Scottsdale Police Department, said police believe the four slayings are related.

    This is a developing story. Check azcentral.com for updates.

  17. patsella

    patsella Bronze Member

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    Paradise Media Mod

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    Cousin Dupree Platinum Member

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    spike Bronze Member

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