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JON BENET RAMSEY: What's your theory on what happened to her?

Discussion in 'Cold Cases' started by Vicky, Jan 8, 2016.

  1. Nagatha Christie

    Nagatha Christie Well-Known Member

    We have waited so long for answers that his would be a stunner. If this would absolve JBR's family forever, imagine what a huge thing that would be. They acted oddly and closed up but maybe they are just odd people. Who really can judge the proper etiquette to responding to finding your beloved daughter murdered in your own home the day after Christmas?

    No matter what, I never believed they were guilty of abusing or neglecting JBR. She was very much pampered and cherished by her parents. She was very much wanted and Patsy doted on her. Not saying they were perfect parents because no one is. Most of us just do the best we can with what we have in our life circumstances. I just never got pedo-vibes from John or vibes that Patsy didnt like motherhood or the kids or had a bad temper.
  2. spike

    spike Bronze Member


    NOCLUE Bronze Member


    where was this info. found? :thinking:
  4. spike

    spike Bronze Member

    He is shown in one of the documentaries...the one that leaned toward an unknown intruder.
  5. spike

    spike Bronze Member

    Daily Mail maybe?
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  6. Cousin Dupree

    Cousin Dupree Platinum Member

    Hold on, hold on. Who wrote the note and why?
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  7. Skitt

    Skitt Bronze Member

    I see you all beat me to thus latest bit of news ... whether it turns out to be accurate we have yet to see. I haven't seen anything other than UK news sites so far.

    Gary Oliva, who is now 54 ... currently serving a 10-year sentence in a Colorado prison for having child pornography on his phone,

    Investigators have conjectured that Oliva joined other men in breaking into JonBenét Ramsey’s house. A ransom note demanding $118,000 for the girl was found on the kitchen staircase before her body was found. T

    In 2003, trace DNA that was taken from the child’s clothes showed it came from an unknown male;

    Vail, 55, told DailyMailTV: (school classmate, music publicist Michael Vail):

    My suspicions began when Gary called me late at night on December 26, 1996. He was sobbing and said, 'I hurt a little girl.' I had known Gary from my time at high school and we had kept in touch. When he said he had hurt a little girl I tried to get more information out of him. The only other thing he told me was that he was in the Boulder, Colorado area. On December 27 I read on the front page of my local newspaper 'Girl, 6, slain in Boulder, Colorado'. I knew I had to alert the police. I immediately called the Boulder Police Department and told them what I knew about Gary and what he had told me just days earlier. They didn't get back to me. Three months later I called the police again to find out what was going on in its investigation of Gary, but instead I was sent to a police answering machine set up for tips on the JonBenét case. I left a message on the recorded line and again I never heard back from investigators.”

    He continued:

    I've continued this for decades now, even with him being in prison. But he has only just admitted to killing her. He believes he will go to hell if he doesn't admit to it. I have now sent these letters to Boulder police in the hope it will get Gary to provide them with firm proof and to name who else may have been involved in JonBenét's death. I hope it helps bring justice for JonBenét and peace for her family. Now they have this, a written confession, the police need to charge him with her murder. The thought that he could be released on probation next year chills me to the bone because he should never be allowed out. He is a danger to society. The day he walks free is the day I will be terrified for every child and family.

    Police spokesperson Laurie Ogden told DailyMailTV, “The Boulder Police Department is aware of and has investigated Mr. Olivas’ potential involvement in this case. We have passed the additional information you provided onto investigators. We will not comment on any actions or the status of this investigation.”
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  8. Skitt

    Skitt Bronze Member

    Prior investigations showed Oliva had an address ten blocks from the Ramsay home in 1996.


    When Oliva was arrested in 2016, police discovered he had 335 photos of JonBenét including photos from the six-year-old's autopsy

    Oliva, who was once jailed for trying to strangle his mother, wrote: 'I never loved anyone like I did JonBenét and yet I let her slip and her head bashed in half and I watched her die. It was an accident. Please believe me. She was not like the other kids.

    Smit told 48 Hours Oliva was registered as a sex offender with an address near to the Ramsey home and showed up at a candlelight vigil after the pageant queen's gruesome death.

    The handwriting does not match Oliva's in his letters to Vail. But it is possible the note was penned by an accomplice.

    He is currently due for parole in October 2020.

    Oliva's previous convictions include trying to strangle his mother, sexually assaulting a seven-year-old girl and possessing a stun gun [Indo recall there talk about tiny marks possibly from a stun gun on Jon Benet.]
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  9. Nagatha Christie

    Nagatha Christie Well-Known Member

    I read it on Daily mail and posted the link in my thread earlier today ( go back a page to read it). The link to the DM article is


    The confession claim comes from the high school classmate of a long time suspect, Gary Oliva. Gary is already in jail for Child Porn. His HS friend (Vail) has been writing to Gary Oliva and Vail says he has letters from Oliva in which Oliva confesses to killing JBR.

    Obviously handwriting experts will be crucial in determining of the handwriting is actually Gary Oliva's. Is his DNA on the written confession? Can that handwriting be matched to the ransom letter?

    "Convicted pedophile Gary Oliva has confessed to the murder of six-year-old pageant princess in prison letters to his friend – claiming it was 'an accident'
    • Gary Oliva, 54, has long been a suspect in the murder of JonBenét Ramsey,
    • In letters to high school classmate Michael Vail obtained by DailyMailTV,
      Oliva claims he killed JonBenét by accident
    • 'I let her slip and her head bashed in half and I watched her die.
    • It was an accident,' he wrote from Limon Correctional Facility, Colorado
    • Oliva is serving a 10-year-sentence for possessing child pornography
    • When Oliva was arrested in 2016, police discovered he had 335 photos of JonBenét including photos from the six-year-old's autopsy
    • Vail, 55, of Ventura, California, has urged police to charge Oliva for JonBenét's death since Oliva is due for parole in 2020"........
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  10. Skitt

    Skitt Bronze Member

    Well .... apparently police do not believe the confession. Or they are being very mum.
    Drats. I just would like this to be settled.

    On Thursday, BPD told FOX31 and Channel 2 that the department is aware of Oliva and has investigated his potential involvement in the case. Additionally, police said Oliva has confessed to JonBenet’s killing several times in the past.

    Police said there are no new updates in the investigation.

    Moreover, former Boulder District Attorney Stan Garnett said that DailyMailTV has not reported anything that was not already known to authorities.

    Police in Boulder appear to be dismissing a man’s alleged confession to JonBenet Ramsey’s murder.

    "The Boulder Police Department is aware of Mr. Oliva and has investigated his potential involvement in this case, including several previous confessions. The department routinely receives information on this investigation. Information provided to the police department is reviewed along with the many tips and theories we receive. There are no new updates in this investigation and the department will not comment further,” the statement reads.
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  11. Cousin Dupree

    Cousin Dupree Platinum Member

    Sorry Spikey. The finger, and grand jury, still points at the family.
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  12. spike

    spike Bronze Member

    No need to be sowie.
    I am right.
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  13. Cousin Dupree

    Cousin Dupree Platinum Member

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  14. spike

    spike Bronze Member

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  15. Bethie9

    Bethie9 New Member

    Plus Patsy also had worn a pair of boots the evening prior when they attended the White’s for dinner that had beaver fur in them as well as around the top.
  16. Bethie9

    Bethie9 New Member

    The two marks left on JBR’s body were proven to be from a child’s railroad track and remember Burke’s train setup was in the room adjacent to the “wine cellar•
  17. spike

    spike Bronze Member

    Not proven.
  18. Bethie9

    Bethie9 New Member

    It seems more likely that it is the train track versus the stun gun theory.
  19. spike

    spike Bronze Member

    Well I disagree.
    Clearly this depends on your personal theory.
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  20. Bethie9

    Bethie9 New Member

    Certainly the disc shaped mark on the side of her face is questionable but the red small circular marks on her back do not resemble the area on her cheek IMO.
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