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Vic KAREN RISTEVSKI: Missing from Avondale Heights, Vic - 29 June 2016 - Age 47 *Found Deceased*

Discussion in 'Australia: Located/Resolved' started by MarlyWings, Jul 12, 2016.

  1. MarlyWings

    MarlyWings Retired Staff

    In a lot of cases it is a good sign although there's always the exception.

    I think police will be busy behind the scenes trawling through all that CCTV footage while, at least one family member, is sweating bullets!
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  2. MarlyWings

    MarlyWings Retired Staff

    Missing mum CCTV clue: Karen Ristevski’s car possibly caught on camera

    an hour ago

    A CAR possibly owned by missing Avondale Heights woman Karen Ristevski was captured on a neighbour’s closed-circuit TV system the day she disappeared.

    Mrs Ristevski, 47, was last seen on June 29.

    Her husband, Borce, has said she left the house to “clear her head” after a row over money.

    The Herald Sun has learned that a resident near the Ristevskis’ $1.1 million Oakley Drive home has recently handed police CCTV footage, taken from a camera positioned outside her house.

    The resident, who wishes to remain anonymous, said police had told her the camera caught a car matching the description of Mrs Ristevski’s vehicle on the day of the disappearance.

    According to early analysis of the CCTV footage from the house, it may not be clear enough to distinguish the driver, or whether there was a passenger in the car.

    Police are hoping that video-enhancing technology will allow them to zoom in on the driver.

    Police have also taken CCTV footage from a Chemist Warehouse and a TAB in Milleara Rd.

    But it is understood that this footage had failed to capture any vision of Mrs Ristevski or of her car.

    Mr Ristevski, who initially told police he was home all day after his wife had left, later told detectives he drove her car along the Calder Freeway to check a faulty fuel gauge.

    The fault corrected itself, and he returned home.

    Detectives have interviewed Mr Ristevski and Mrs Ristevski’s stepson, Anthony Rickard, but so far appear no closer to solving her mysterious disappearance.

    The search for Mrs Ristevski has been focusing on a number of rural locations northwest of Melbourne.

    This followed the discovery that Mr and Mrs Ristevski’s mobile phones were detected near Diggers Rest and Gisborne on the day that she disappeared.

    Sergeant Sharon Darcy, on behalf of Victoria Police, declined to comment about any CCTV footage under examination.

    “The investigation remains active and continuing,” Sgt Darcy said.

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  3. MarlyWings

    MarlyWings Retired Staff

    ............and I betcha someone is sweating even bigger bullets tonight!!
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    MULDER Bronze Member

    You were right Marly! - the CCTV footage is telling a story - very different to the initial one.
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  5. MarlyWings

    MarlyWings Retired Staff

    Police probe ‘shoeless’ claim in missing Karen Ristevski case

    September 9, 2016

    Police are investigating whether missing Melbourne woman Karen Ristevski left home shoeless on the day she disappeared.

    It is understood Victoria Police are yet to determine whether Ms Ristevski was wearing shoes when she left her home in Melbourne’s northwestern suburb of Avondale Heights on June 29.

    Her husband, Borce, has told police she left the home at 10am after an argument to “clear her head”. He said she left with a Coach-branded handbag with $850 of cash and went for a walk near the Maribyrnong River behind the house, where there is a walking track.

    About a month after she disappeared, police set up an information van close to where she was last seen, and dressed a mannequin in what they thought she was wearing.

    The mannequin was dressed in pants, a shirt and a jacket, with a Coach handbag, but it did not have shoes.

    Sources close to the investigation say police are trying to ascertain whether all her shoes are accounted for at home.

    A former police investigator, who asked not to be named, noted that a shoeless mannequin did not necessarily indicate investigators thought she left home with no shoes; it might just mean police were not able to obtain the type of shoe the missing person was wearing.

    Ms Ristevski has been missing for nearly 2½ months in a high-profile case that has captured the public attention.

    Police have twice dragged the Maribyrnong River and last week searched rural properties on Melbourne’s northwestern fringe following phone “pings” detected on the day she disappeared in the suburb of Gisborne, about 40km from the family home.

    Mr Ristevski’s phone was also tracked on the Calder Highway, about 20km from their home.

    Data suggests his phone was switched off for two hours that day.

    Ms Ristevski’s relatives have appealed through The Australian for information to help find her.

    They have denied assertions she had run away.

    Mr Ristevski has been reported as telling family members he thought a random stranger abducted and killed her, although his brother Vasko said last week that he believed Ms Ristevski was still alive and had fled to China or the US on a false passport.

    Ms Ristevski’s aunt Patricia Gray has dismissed the idea, saying wild theories about the disappearance had turned the case into a “circus”.

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  6. fox68

    fox68 Member

    Hmmm, no camera footage of her leaving the house on that day, seems to say it all really. She never left the house obviously. Huge debt, family conflict and the Husband is the last person to see her alive? Heard this before.
    Remember Iveta Mitchell from Mears Avenue, Kwinana, WA?
    Mrs Mitchell went missing after an argument with her husband over money, despite working 2 jobs and her husband was also working, she discovered they were in huge debt because her husband had not been paying the Mortgage and other bills, his huge meth habit was destroying their lives and she had confronted him about it.
    Her husband Chad says she walked out of their house to go for a walk, (in the early hours of the morning, what woman does that unless she is scared!!) and never came back, days later, her wedding rings were found by the Husband on the doorstep of the house.
    Mr Chad Mitchell still swears to this date that he had nothing to do with his wife's disappearance, even their children believed him, his teenage stepson (Iveta's son from a previous relationship) was his biggest supporter after Iveta's disappearance.
    Some time later, Mr Mitchell moved to NSW and left the children behind, (yea the children he claimed to love so much that had lost their Mother), yea right.
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  7. fox68

    fox68 Member

    I would be interested to see if oddly, the CCTV had 'wiped over itself' in the days preceding Mrs Ristevski's disappearance. That's what I would be looking into first, and her bank account transactions on the day she went missing, and perhaps the months leading up to it.
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  8. MarlyWings

    MarlyWings Retired Staff

    G'day fox68 and welcome to CrimeWatchers!

    I'm not sure whether the Ristevski's CCTV was located at the front of the house only, or whether they were at the back of the house as well. I don't think any of the reports have mentioned that and none have mentioned which door she supposedly went out....front or back. She could still have left the house via back door which apparently leads on down towards the river.

    Having said that, I think she did leave the house but didn't go for any walk.
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  9. MarlyWings

    MarlyWings Retired Staff

    Karen Ristevski’s brother stands by her husband Borce

    September 10, 2016

    The brother of missing Melbourne woman Karen Ristevski has defended his sister’s husband, declaring he remains close to Borce Ristevski despite speculation about the businessman’s version of events in the lead-up to his wife’s disappearance and possible murder.

    Melbourne-based Stephen Williams said people would have a different opinion over what happened to his sister if there weren’t misinformation about the case in the media, which members of the Ristevski family believe is being fuelled by police.

    Mr Williams, who has previously said nothing publicly about the case, is Ms Ristevski’s only sibling, and their parents have died.

    He would not speculate on what has happened to his sister, saying on social media he had faith in the legal system and wanted to keep the focus on finding her.

    He posted comments on the Facebook page “Where is Karen Ristevski?” in which he hit back at claims from a family friend that were critical of Mr Ristevski.

    Saying the critic had her facts wrong, he broadened his own criticisms to include media reporting of the disappearance.

    He highlighted a report that Ms Ristevski had asked her father for money shortly before she disappeared on June 29 — despite their father having died in 2014.

    Mr Williams said he was close to Mr Ristevski, the last person to see Ms Ristevski on the morning she disappeared, leading to speculation about what he knew. “I worked with him for 10-plus years. We’ve had heated disagreements like all family members do, but consider us to be close,” he wrote on the Facebook page.

    “For those also wondering, I catch up with him weekly for the last two months.”

    Mr Ristevski says that his wife left the family home in Melbourne’s northwestern suburbs to “clear her head” after an argument about money.

    Much of the public scrutiny has fallen on Mr Ristevski, who was asked at a press conference by a Seven Network reporter whether he had killed his wife.

    Police have not publicly defended Mr Ristevski but yesterday appealed for media restraint in reporting the disappearance, despite having fuelled key aspects of the coverage. “Victoria Police request … they be permitted to continue the investigation without further speculation to the specific avenues of inquiry,’’ a statement said. “Further speculation may be detrimental to the investigation and eventual court outcomes and we are seeking some reasonable restraint in publication at this time.’’

    Mr Williams was asked on Thursday on social media what he thought happened to his sister. “I have belief in our legal system and will leave it up to them on thoughts etc (sic), me or anyone else speculating won’t bring us close to finding Karen.

    “The only thing I will say is that if the media said things that were true, then many of you would change your opinion. Australian media can just print anything they like and society is lapping it up.”

    Ms Ristevski’s disappearance has led to divergent opinions among family members about what has happened, leading some to believe the case has turned into a “circus”.

    The Weekend Australian is not suggesting Mr Ristevski was involved in his wife’s disappearance.

    Mr Ristevski has been reported as saying he believed an evil stranger had taken her. His brother Vasko said Ms Ristevski had run away to China or the US.

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  10. MULDER

    MULDER Bronze Member

    That would be a very hard determination - unless they are looking for a shoe print which matches some of her shoes which they cant find.
    I cant imagine she would go shoeless when it was reported that she left with the Coach bag and wallet.
    I dont think she walked anywhere (JMO)
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  11. MULDER

    MULDER Bronze Member

    Main Stream Media

    12th September 2016

    'We've had disagreements but I consider us to be close': Karen Ristevski's only brother reveals he has had 'catch-ups' with her husband every week since she disappeared

    Karen Ristevski's brother says he meets his brother-in-law every week
    Stephen Williams is the only sibling of the missing Melbourne mother
    Mrs Ristevski was last seen leaving her Melbourne home on June 29
    The 47-year-old had a bitter dispute with her husband about money

    Mrs Ristevski's only sibling, Stephen Williams, is the latest family member to comment on the saga surrounding the 47-year-old mother's disappearance by regularly posting comments on social media.
    Mr Williams explained he and his sister's husband have spent years working together and he still frequently meets with his brother-in-law.
    'I worked with him [Mr Ristevski] for ten plus years,' Mr Williams posted on the Facebook page 'Where is Karen Ristevski?'.
    'We've had heated disagreements like all family members do but consider us to be close.
    Mr Williams has chosen not to speak publicly since his sister's disappearance stating he has faith in the legal system.

    KR Search 4 screenshot brother.JPG
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  12. MarlyWings

    MarlyWings Retired Staff

    Not really anything new in this very long article written by Andrew Rule who has been a crime journo/writer/author for quite a long time.

    Andrew Rule takes in-depth look

    September 16, 2016 5:00pm

    IT was the first month of winter when the wife, mother, stepmother and boutique proprietor, Karen Ristevski, vanished from her home on a hill overlooking the Maribyrnong River in Avondale Heights.

    It is now the first month of spring. As weeks have turned into months, the mystery of the missing woman has not been forgotten but has grown deeper and more sinister. It has become a universal topic of conversation in Victoria — like football but darker.

    Workmates chew it over most days. Even strangers strike up conversations about a case that has gripped the public’s imagination. Just as the Jill Meagher case did, just as the Wales-King “society murders” did 14 years ago and the Jaidyn Leskie mystery did before that.

    Sparking that interest, perhaps, is that the 47-year-old missing woman seemed so much like the rest of us — an ordinary suburban person doing the best she could to get ahead, not part of the criminal underclass whose violence is shocking but no longer surprising.

    And there is a hint of suburban glamour: the friendly and attractive woman runs a boutique, drives a snappy car and is a friend of actor Samuel Johnson, who made an emotional plea for information to shed light on the mystery back in July.

    Families can pass as ordinary without being normal, let alone happy.

    Under the blowtorch of police and public scrutiny, cracks have appeared in the Ristevski household. These flaws might have nothing to do with solving the case, but they heighten interest in it.

    Three weeks after Mrs Ristevski disappeared, her stepson — son of her husband, Borce — told Herald Sun reporter Andrea Hamblin he was harbouring a secret.

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  13. MarlyWings

    MarlyWings Retired Staff


    Anthony Rickard, who uses his mother’s surname, says he moved in with the Ristevskis when he was 14.

    They provided the troubled teenager with food, clothing and a room of his own.

    Despite the affection he was given, the youth became a serious drug user who, at 32, admits he still uses “ice”.

    It would be understandable if the police saw him as a suspect for his stepmother’s disappearance, he says, because of what he has alleged about her unusual relationship with him.

    On one hand, he criticises Mrs Ristevski, but on the other, he says: “I don’t hate her, because I can’t — she showed me love.”

    He claims he called Mrs Ristevski to confront her about their “secret” about 10 days before she disappeared.

    Afterwards, he could not help fearing that what he said during that highly charged telephone call had led to her disappearance.

    Detectives had to weigh up this information.

    If Mr Rickard’s allegation is true — and there is no reason to dismiss it out of hand — then police have to judge whether it might have sparked a bitter family conflict.

    The case is littered with loose ends, red herrings and questions. Starting with why police weren’t told Mrs Ristevski had vanished until three days later.

    Her husband initially said she left the house with her handbag and $850 cash to go for a walk in the river valley park to calm down after they had argued about poor takings from their Bella Bleu boutique at Taylors Lakes.

    Borce Ristevski would later say the argument was in fact not about money, an about-face that seems to be another twist in a case full of them.

    In any event, the reasons for the argument don’t answer a blunt question voiced by one puzzled neighbour: “Why would you go for a walk along the valley with your handbag and purse?”

    There are other baffling inconsistencies.

    When Mr Rickard claimed last month he had overheard his stepmother talking about leaving her husband when their daughter, Sarah, turned 21, which she just had, Mr Ristevski angrily denied it.

    “Why would he come up with that?” he demanded, suggesting his son was an unreliable witness because of his drug addiction.

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  14. MarlyWings

    MarlyWings Retired Staff


    But when Mr Ristevski’s brother, Vasko, went public with a theory that his missing sister-in-law had fled to China or the US on a false passport, Borce Ristevski was not so dismissive.

    IN a touching display of brotherly loyalty, Vasko Ristevski, of Hoppers Crossing, told the Herald Sun’s Andrew Jefferson his younger brother did not have it in him to murder his wife.

    “A lot of husbands do that for some reason, but no way is Borce capable of that,” he said.

    “I reckon she’s run away.

    “That’s my feeling, what with all the rumours going on about Anthony.”


    He said Mrs Ristevski had travelled to America and Hong Kong on business for the past 10 years “and I’m told it’s fairly easy to get a false passport”.

    The last time Mrs Ristevski was seen was June 29, a Wednesday. It wasn’t until July 2, the following Saturday, distraught daughter Sarah told police and made a plea for help to find her mother. Six days later, police interviewed Borce, who maintained he and Karen had argued at the house over finances before she left for a walk to “clear her head” about 10am.

    Such a walk presumably had to be along any of the paths that meander over the steep grasslands that rise from the bank of the Maribyrnong and stretch for kilometres.

    Remarkably, none of the strollers, joggers and dog walkers saw the missing woman walking there.

    It was initially suggested there was no sign on the house’s security cameras of her leaving by the shortest and most obvious route — from the back door to the back garden gate — to reach the nearest walking path. But, weeks later, Mr Ristevski said the security cameras had not worked for several months.

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  15. MarlyWings

    MarlyWings Retired Staff

    Mrs Ristevski could have left by the front door and then doubled back down a lane beside the house to reach the riverside paths, but that seemed odd enough to make investigators wonder.

    It was also revealed Mr Ristevski had checked with neighbours to see if their cameras had picked up any sign of Karen’s movements.

    But they hadn’t, meaning there is no proof she had walked from the house at all.

    The most reasonable alternative scenario is she had left by car — but, again, there is no usable security footage to support that. Which meant investigators were left wondering if, in fact, she had been taken away hidden in the boot or back seat of a car.

    If so, which car — and who was driving?

    Publicly, police went through the necessary motions of searching the Avondale Heights parklands near the Oakley Drive house.

    Mounted police and mountain bikes turned out for the media cameras and the water police did a few sweeps of the river, including a search near the bridge downstream near the Anglers Arms hotel.

    Meanwhile, however, investigators were working hard behind the scenes, most likely on the theory that wherever the missing woman turned up, it probably wouldn’t be in the same postcode.

    The bleak reality is Mrs Ristevski’s bank accounts, credit cards and mobile telephone have not been used.

    In the overwhelming majority of cases, as the weeks pass, that is a sign searchers are looking for a body.

    It would take a sophisticated fugitive months or years to set up their disappearance so flawlessly — and such a person would need hefty cash reserves, false documentation and convincing disguises.

    In the past, a few cunning criminals have pulled that off.

    Armed robber and prison escapee Russell Cox spent years on the run, but he had hundreds of thousands of dollars in stolen cash and a network of friends and safe houses, while another brilliant crook, Gregory “Doc” Smith, managed to flee Australia and stay on the run overseas for 10 years after escaping Pentridge Prison.

    But that was last century, when electronic surveillance and detection was crude.

    Mrs Ristevski is missing in 2016, with $850 cash and a handbag and the clothes she was wearing — and she is no counter-surveillance expert or master criminal, she’s just the mum of a 21-year-old who wants her back.

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  16. MarlyWings

    MarlyWings Retired Staff

    It’s not giving away secret law enforcement “methodology” to state the obvious: police will have studied vehicle and mobile telephone movements.

    CAR movements and phone use are the basic tools that can show if there are any holes in the stories of people who interest investigators most.

    Such as, for instance, whether anyone has neglected to mention when and where they travelled around the key times on June 29.

    Stress plays tricks with people’s memories.

    It was not until late last month that police jogged Borce Ristevski’s memory, divulging that on the day his wife vanished, her mobile phone had been traced to the Gisborne area, 40km from Avondale Heights.

    On the same day, Mr Ristevski’s phone was also detected on the Calder Highway near Diggers Rest, but, oddly, it had been turned off for two hours that day.


    Once reminded, Mr Ristevski recalled he had driven his wife’s 2004 Mercedes-Benz that day, saying the car’s fuel gauge was faulty, so he took it for a spin.

    He said the gauge had corrected itself after he hit a bump in the road so he returned home without attempting to repair it.

    Police carried out tests on soil traces found on two cars parked at the Ristevski house.

    If and when anyone is arrested over the disappearance and likely killing of Karen Ristevski, one thing is likely: detectives will be surprised if the suspect does not eventually lead them to some spot he (or she) knew.

    It’s a pattern repeated in serious crimes everywhere.

    Incriminating weapons or clothing might be tossed away anywhere, often into water, but those involved in a serious crime rarely hide anything substantial — such as a body or loot — in a random place they have never been to.

    Under extreme stress, it is human nature to seek the familiar — examples of this tendency are well known to the homicide squad, but the Wales-King case stands out.'

    Matthew Wales-King was suspected by investigators (and some relatives) of killing his mother, Margaret, and stepfather Paul King well before such suspicions became public.

    Wales-King rented a trailer using his own credit card to transport the bodies from the murder scene at his house in Burke Rd, Malvern.

    He took them to bushland off a track near Marysville — where he had gone camping as a schoolboy years earlier.

    There he did something else many murderers do; he “buried” the bodies so hurriedly and so poorly they were found by park rangers less than four weeks later.

    Investigators, reporters and the public have heard many conflicting and confusing versions of what might have happened to Karen Ristevski.

    But as the mystery moves from two months old to three, Vasko’s words sound all the more ominous.

    “I don’t think she will come back,” he said late last month. “I reckon she’s gone for good.”

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  17. MarlyWings

    MarlyWings Retired Staff

    Just making some notes here....

    police weren’t told Mrs Ristevski had vanished until three days later

    cracks have appeared in the Ristevski household

    ice addict son could not help fearing that what he said during that highly charged telephone call had led to her disappearance

    Karen left the house with her handbag and $850 cash to go for a walk in the river valley park to calm down after they had argued

    Borce Ristevski would later say the argument was in fact not about money

    no sign of Karen on neighbouring CCTV, no sightings of her by neighbours, none of the strollers, joggers and dog walkers saw the missing woman walking there.

    Home CCTV hasn't been working for months.

    Borce Ristevski neglected to mention when and where he travelled around the key times on June 29.

    Karen's mobile phone had been traced to the Gisborne area, 40km from Avondale Heights.

    On the same day, Mr Ristevski’s phone was also detected on the Calder Highway near Diggers Rest

    his phone had been turned off for two hours that day.


    A certain person doesn't bother reporting his missing wife for three days. That is a long time to cover his tracks.

    Home CCTV just happens to be not working.

    He can't get his story straight regarding what the argument was about.

    He neglects to inform police regarding his whereabouts/which car he was driving on the day Karen disappeared.

    So far nothing on his whereabouts during those two hours when his phone was switched off.

    An arrest will happen out of the blue.
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  18. MissyMoo

    MissyMoo Bronze Member

    @MarlyWings what's the law here for VicPol not disclosing to public if they have actually found her and just not making it public yet?
    How long can they legally keep that under wraps? Or @Lily or @MULDER might know???
    Ive gone through every search engine known to man - i cant find anything on Karen for October or even the generic VicPol media updates - there is nothing, nothing. :thinking:
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  19. MarlyWings

    MarlyWings Retired Staff

    Usually police will disclose to media/public, if/when a missing person has been located. Police discuss it with the family of that person and whether or not they wish the details to be released. Often times, especially if it's a case of self-harm/suicide, the family doesn't want that information released.

    In Karen's case, I think police are still working behind the scenes and aren't releasing info so it doesn't compromise their investigations. They will only release info to public if they deem it be helpful to that investigation.
  20. MarlyWings

    MarlyWings Retired Staff

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