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KELSEY BERRETH: Colorado vs. Patrick Frazee for murder *GUILTY*

Discussion in 'Courtroom' started by SheWhoMustNotBeNamed, Dec 10, 2018.

  1. wenn9366

    wenn9366 Active Member

    The press conference said they checked all planes and they were all accounted for. Her mom was there, but Patrick was not. When someone asked why he wasn't there, the police chief stated that that was "a good question".
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  2. Dobrev

    Dobrev Former Member

    He sounds suspicious of him too.
  3. ima.grandma

    ima.grandma Believer of Miracles

    Her family says she would not leave her daughter like this.

    Kelsey Berreth has not been seen since Thanksgiving.

    The 29-year-old Colorado mother disappeared Nov. 22 and has been missing ever since. Security cameras show Berreth shopping at a Safeway store in Woodland Park on Thanksgiving, ABC News reported. Her family says she would never abandon her daughter willingly.

    After not hearing from her daughter for three days, Berreth's mother contacted Woodland Park Police. Authorities performed a welfare check and discovered Berreth was nowhere to be found.

    Brandon Kindle, Berreth's brother-in-law, told KDVR that the only thing missing from her home was her purse. She left behind travel essentials, such as her luggage and makeup bags, he said.

    Berreth's brother Clint said his family has no idea what happened to his sister.

    We really have no idea, we don’t have any more information on it," Clint explained to Q13 Fox. "She’s a flight instructor ... never done anything like this."

    According to East Idaho News, Berreth's phone was pinged in Gooding, a small Idaho town over 700 miles from Woodland Park, sometime on Nov. 25.

    "It could just be a false ping, or it could be the actual last location for the activity of that phone," Chris Adams of the Woodland Park Police Department told Good Morning America on Sunday. "It makes us wonder what she's doing up there, or what the phone is, potentially, because she may not be there."

    Berreth has family in Idaho, according to a Facebook page dedicated to finding the missing mother. Her family describes her as "responsible" and "grounded," and said she would never leave her 1-year-old daughter like this,.

    "They’re a very close-knit family," Berreth's cousin, JoDee Garretson, told KEPR-TV, “ That’s why I don’t believe she’d just…She’s got to see people are looking for her. She wouldn’t put them through that.”

    She’s such a good person, a loving person," Garretson continued. "She’s grounded and responsible. She has a one-year-old child, she wouldn’t just leave her.”

    Police are working closely with Berreth's family in an effort to locate her.

    Authorities have not made any mention of foul play regarding Berreth's disappearance. The FBI has gotten involved in the case.

    “If she’s out there and doesn’t want to be contacted, just let us know that she’s safe and we’ll let her family know,” Adams told CBS News.

    Meanwhile, her family just wants her home safe.

    "I just want her to come home," Kindle, told ABC News. "I find myself calling her quite often and her phone just goes to voicemail."
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  4. ima.grandma

    ima.grandma Believer of Miracles

    Hmmm. It is a good question. Suspicion grows...
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  5. Dobrev

    Dobrev Former Member

    How could it have been a false ping? (I'm not saying it wasn't, but how does that work?)
  6. Dobrev

    Dobrev Former Member

    Still wondering why the fiance is not the one reporting her missing.
  7. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Administrator Staff Member

    Were any of the family members from Idaho at their Thanksgiving celebration? Perhaps her phone ended up in or on one of their cars?

    Another case recently they pinged the phone of a missing Montana woman. They said her phone had pinged in Washington, near where her son lived. HOWEVER, now people are saying they probably actually pinged HIS phone, and the information got misconstrued and released incorrectly. Pretty irresponsible, but that's what happens when police and media jump the gun. They say they have no reason to believe she was in Washington.

    Possibly they pinged a family member's phone and the info was incorrectly interpreted. Otherwise I'm not sure how it would be a false ping. I've heard of phones pinging off of random towers but they're usually still relatively close. Not 700+ miles away.

    I'm wondering about texting apps. Where you can go online and send a message to someone through an app, or program a fake number. Wondering if something like that wasn't used to send the messages? I feel like someone would have noticed if the fiance was gone for 24-hours of straight driving (so probably longer) to send a text to himself. Then again, maybe nobody did notice. Seems like an odd ploy though.
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  8. ima.grandma

    ima.grandma Believer of Miracles

    Don’t know but chief says “It makes us wonder what she's doing up there, or what the phone is, potentially, because she may not be there."

    She probably isn’t there by choice anyway. Has the fiance’s phone activity been checked?
    Maybe this:
    When you hit “send” on your cell phone, a complicated series of events takes place that is governed by algorithms and proprietary software, not just by the location of the cell tower. First, your cell phone sends out a radio-frequency signal to the towers within a radius of up to roughly twenty miles—or fewer, in urban areas—depending on the topography and atmospheric conditions. A regional switching center detects the signal and determines whether to accept the call. There are hundreds of such regional centers across the country.
    More @ https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-your-cell-phone-cant-tell-the-police
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  9. ima.grandma

    ima.grandma Believer of Miracles

    Berreth’s fiancée, Patrick Frazee, also received a text from her phone on November 25, Police Chief Miles De Young said. Frazee last saw Berreth on November 22 when he picked up their 1-year-old daughter Kaylee.
    The time it took to report her missing prompted questions about why her fiancée did not do it sooner.

    Chief De Young told reporters that police were unaware of reports of domestic violence involving Berreth and Frazee. De Young said that Frazee’s home had not been searched and that he was cooperative with investigators.

    Frazee, who still has the couple’s daughter in his custody, declined to attend Monday’s press conference.

    “We are treating Kelsey’s disappearance as a missing person’s case at this time. We have not identified anyone as a suspect, and are asking the public for any information that might help us find her,” the police chief said, according to CBS News.

  10. guess who

    guess who Bronze Member

    My daughter's phone pinged one time in California when we were looking for it. She only misplaced it about 15 minutes before we tried locating it. She was just wondering if it was in her car or at her friend's house. We are nowhere near California!
  11. ima.grandma

    ima.grandma Believer of Miracles

    Wow. What do you think happened and why? Did you find out? Thats really strange.
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  12. ima.grandma

    ima.grandma Believer of Miracles

    Copied from earlier post:
    Police are working closely with Berreth's family in an effort to locate her.

    Are police working closely with fiance’s family also? They have a child in common. Why isn’t the fiancé speaking out or the grandmother on his side? The news is saturated with this missing woman. I’ve been hearing about it all day on the national news, that is between Trump and Pelosi arguing.
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  13. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member


    This is not setting well with me. At all.
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    Kimster Director Staff Member

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  15. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    When I was in Citizen's Academy, they talked about false pings. That was a couple of years ago. Their systems are getting better and better all the time and false pings are rare anymore. I doubt LE would have released that information if they didn't have a system that was accurately registering locations.
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  16. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    Unless he was planning on having their child for a week? But still, no contact from a "fiance" all that time?
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  17. Dobrev

    Dobrev Former Member

    I hope they are watching that man and that little baby. I'm waiting for him to end up in California on the edge of Mexico with his hair dyed blonde.... all Scott Peterson.
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  18. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    Where was his phone when it pinged the receipt of the text? LE knows, I'm sure.

    Where is the fiance from? I'd like to rule him out, but I'm no where near that, yet.
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  19. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    How long ago was that?

    We had a discussion about a phone nearby in Oregon pinging in San Jose, CA. I have that in my notes at home. I'll have to look at them again to remember how LE was able to rectify that from happening again. I do know they got a new system to stop it.
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  20. Dobrev

    Dobrev Former Member

    Yeah, it's weird, right? I don't mean to be judgemental, but, they are engaged but they don't live together? They don't live together but do have a child together? They "exchange" their child between each other and he thinks it's ok to not hear from her, his baby's mother, his fiancé for one week? It's puzzling that's for sure.
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