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MCSTAY MURDERS: The State of California v. Charles Merritt *GUILTY*

Discussion in 'Courtroom' started by MartinBeck, May 19, 2015.

  1. Freebird

    Freebird Well-Known Member

    This is exactly what happened to Chase with the prosecution’s case and the jury bought it. IMO
     
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  2. Shannon

    Shannon Well-Known Member

    That is so true.
     
  3. Shannon

    Shannon Well-Known Member

    I agree. Except that what the DA did on this case was even more extreme. They didn't shape-shift their narrative, to much as discard it outright. Every time their evidence was shot down, they claimed they never claimed it mattered.

    In closing, Melissa Rodriguez, stating that the prosecution never said Chase buried the bodies on the 6th is utter hogwash. At prelim there was a witness brought to the stand to give testimony as to the weather conditions on the 6th, and this was done to explain why the tire tracks could only have been made on that day.

    Boles at prelim, absolutely placed Chase right at the graves-with his faux triangulation diagram (a diagram that was right there at trial). What was THAT all about, if it wasn't to prove Chase buried the bodies on that day?

    AND if Chase isn't burying the bodies on the 6th, then why does it even matter if he pinged in Victorville?

    (I didn't realize making a phone call in Victorville was a death penalty offense. Although, maybe it should be.)

    To quote a rap group from the '90s. Insane in the membrane, is what that is!
     
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  4. Shannon

    Shannon Well-Known Member

    Not suggesting anyone reads this next in full, but take a peek at the headers. This case is another that concerns me, where the evidence seems insufficient. But even the DNA analysis isn't up for debate in the direct appeal-which is one of the concerns I have with this case: the DNA (watch it turn out to be True Allele ;))

    https://mcstayfamilymurdersthetrial...6-ca-s.-ct.-briefs-lexis-2773_attachment1.pdf

    Here is a nice simple explanation of the claims that can be made in appeal, and what the consist of:

    https://www.wklaw.com/areas-appeals.html
     
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  5. Shannon

    Shannon Well-Known Member

    Re: Oyler's case, I like the parts where the claim is that the: "State failed to present substantial and sufficient evidence."

    If the prosecution in People v. Merritt contends that their evidence is bunk, why shouldn't we believe them?
     
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  6. TX SMR

    TX SMR Posting my personal opinions

    Remember Merritt himself said he hadn't been to Victorville in years so his phone shouldn't have pinged anywhere in the vicinity.
     
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  7. TX SMR

    TX SMR Posting my personal opinions

    If that's the case then Merritt's DT should have no problem manipulating and/or twisting the facts and evidence so that Merritt has a more favorable outcome. It hasn't yet happened for Peterson but one never knows.
     
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  8. guess who

    guess who Bronze Member

    That could be the tower he was near was overloaded and sent it to that tower. He also could have been passing through and not actually AT Victorville.

    Also it very well could have been years since he had been there and telling the truth. They would have had no reason to ask him about that area until the bodies were found YEARS later.
     
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  9. Freebird

    Freebird Well-Known Member

    No need for DT to manipulate anything. If you watched the trial and paid attention to what the defense presented you would see there was no manipulation or twisting of facts. It was the defense’s presentation of evidence that made the prosecution change their theory.
     
  10. TX SMR

    TX SMR Posting my personal opinions

    I watched the trial, paid attention and am of the opinion that the DT twisted and manipulated facts to try and fit their narrative.
     
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  11. TX SMR

    TX SMR Posting my personal opinions

    Merritt's sister also said that he hadn't been in the area in many years (prior to the murders) but then lied on the stand and changed her story. I don't believe for a second that the other towers were overloaded causing his phone to ping near the burial site. Also, if he would've been passing through the area why wouldn't he just tell the detectives that? Him saying he was on his way to Vegas or Oro Grande would've been very plausible and believable.
     
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  12. Freebird

    Freebird Well-Known Member

    I watched, too, and thought the prosecution did the same. Why did the prosecution change their theory after hearing what the defense presented? Because they realized what they were spinning couldn’t have happened that way.
     
  13. Freebird

    Freebird Well-Known Member

    Didn’t the prosecution say Chase was at a casino? Wouldn’t he pass through Victorville to get there?
     
  14. TX SMR

    TX SMR Posting my personal opinions

    It would depend on which casino they're referring to. There are several casinos south and west of Merritt's home but the only casinos to his north are in Las Vegas. I'm certain they weren't referring to Vegas.
     
  15. guess who

    guess who Bronze Member

    It was years later, so he told the truth that he hadn't been there in years.
     
  16. guess who

    guess who Bronze Member

    They would have had absolutely no reason to ask him that question when they were just missing.
     
  17. TX SMR

    TX SMR Posting my personal opinions

    Everyone knows the questioning was in reference to the time surrounding their disappearance. He and his sister stated he hadn't been to the area in the years prior to their disappearance.
     
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  18. Shannon

    Shannon Well-Known Member

    Can you give an example?
     
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  19. Shannon

    Shannon Well-Known Member

    Ping data is inconclusive. Historical ping data even more so. Most phone companies won't testify to the reliability. So the best we are ever going to know about Chase's physical location on the 6th is that he was somewhere in the vicinity of Victorville.

    Given the fact that when he connected to the towers on the Quartzite Mountains, he could barely get reception, would tend to indicate that he was very far from those towers and that there was an obstruction between him and the signal. But we'll never know for sure. If you notice, most of the investigators when questioned kept accidentally referring to the ping data as GPS. GPS, I have a feeling is becoming more common now that almost everyone's phone has this.

    • GPS is a signal we get from satellites. Its precise, and weather and phone traffic doesn't influence it.
    • Ping data is derived from signal we get from towers on the ground, and there are about a million factors that go into why we connect when we do, and where we might be when we connect.
    I'm hoping that we will soon be done with ping data all together. It's pretty much junk-science in terms of what it can actually tell us.



    One of the skills, I believe, of a good investigator is that they not only are able to determine if someone is lying, but know how to find out WHY someone might be lying. People lie for all kinds of reasons that don't necessarily amount to guilt.

    And Chase Merritt was really damned no matter what regarding the locations where the bodies were found. If he said he never went to Victorville, then his pings would make him look guilty. If he was there all the time, then the state would speculate that it was a convenient spot to dump bodies. Even if he hadn't pinged in that area, they still would have looked at him, claiming he turned off his phone because he was burying the bodies.
     
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  20. Shannon

    Shannon Well-Known Member

    Here's something that wasn't really discussed regarding this trial--a lot of people had crap memories. Not just Merritt. And the events being asked about are not earth shattering. The McStays going missing would be, but Chase had no way of knowing that the weekend of the 5th was going to be the pivotal weekend, until later.

    And unlike most of us, he worked for himself. One of the reasons I can tell you where I was at certain times, if it were a weekday, is I had a nine to five job. That helps. But Chase had a different schedule every day of the week.

    And something I observed in his Feb 17 interview, is that he forgot mundane things, like addresses. He also couldn't remember what he'd done on the 8th, and that day he was at Metro. Four years later, fogettaboutit.

    If Merritt had committed these murders, I would have to imagine he'd have thought his alibi through. Where he needed to say he had been, and who he needed to say he had been with. He could easily have lied and said he was at a Casino or headed to one. And he never does this. He never makes a claim like that.
     
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