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MCSTAY MURDERS: The State of California v. Charles Merritt *GUILTY*

Discussion in 'Courtroom' started by MartinBeck, May 19, 2015.

  1. guess who

    guess who Bronze Member

    I'm still not convinced either way of who did it, but not buying it that the prosecution both believes that they were killed by a sledgehammer AND it was committed at the house yet no blood??? Nah.
     
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  2. SoSueMe

    SoSueMe Administrative Manager Staff Member

    Personally, I would not feel differently if Kavanaugh were out of the equation. In fact, I first started having doubts about the guilt of Merritt after the trial started and the pieces weren't coming together. Having said that, it's clear that Kavanaugh benefitted financially a lot more than Merritt after the death of Joey. I mean, WTH? He's in Hawaii and immediately starts the funny stuff with the PayPal account? Other than family, Merritt had the most to lose from Joey's death.
     
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  3. SoSueMe

    SoSueMe Administrative Manager Staff Member

    I agree that the defense should have gone ahead and served Kavanaugh to testify. They started looking for him in February, but haven't found him. The excuse that the prosecution was going to call him is pretty lame. You never count on that in a trial. You just don't.
     
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  4. SoSueMe

    SoSueMe Administrative Manager Staff Member

    TX SMR, I'm glad to have someone here that thinks Merritt is guilty because I need to be convinced. I started watching the trial thinking surely Merritt was guilty, but so far I have my doubts. I agree with you in that he won't be acquitted, but there's a good possibility it will be a hung jury.

    I don't think the prosecution should have locked themselves into their theory of what happened. First, that they were killed on the evening of the 4th and second, that they were killed at the house. I absolutely don't think they were killed at the house. Then they contend that Merritt stuffed all 4 bodies into his truck and rode around for 2 days with 4 dead bodies? Or that he transferred them to a storage room until he decided to bury them in the high desert? Seems awfully ambitious for Mr. Merritt. I think he's too lazy for all of this transferring of bodies. Then the prosecution contends that Merritt was smart enough to turn his phone off during the slaughter at the Fallbrook house, but too dumb to turn it off when he actually buried the bodies, pinpointing a location? Also, if Merritt's plan was to make it look like the McStays went into Mexico, why was he so adamant to detectives that Joseph would NEVER, EVER take his family to Mexico? Seems like he would roll with that theory.

    I don't know, I just have my doubts that they have the right guy. If they do, then hang him, but right now I'm not convinced.
     
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  5. SoSueMe

    SoSueMe Administrative Manager Staff Member

    I just wonder if Merritt will testify. Any thoughts? If my life were on the line, I'd sure testify.

    The court really isn't allowing time for Merritt to testify, telling the jury when to expect closing arguments, so it doesn't look like he will.
     
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  6. Cousin Dupree

    Cousin Dupree Platinum Member

    I've thought about that a lot. I'm not a good face to face communicator. Often times people misinterpret what I say. So I don't think I'd take the stand, unless it's really looking bad for me.
     
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  7. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    We're more picky if it's a new case and somebody were to try and start a crazy rumor here. But in a case that's almost 10 years old and people have said all these things before, it is up to you to decide what you think could be a scenario and what couldn't.
     
  8. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    I don't think so because they say they're about to wrap things up. I think that if Merritt were to testify, that would add another week or two to the trial. The case is too complicated for him to be up there just a couple of days.
     
  9. TX SMR

    TX SMR Posting my personal opinions

    You make some valid points but how do you explain away the check writing, cashing and forging? How do you explain away CM calling QB pretending to be Joey? How do you explain him constantly being broke but after the murders he had money?

    If CM would have gone along with the family going in to Mexico it would've stood out because nobody else thought it was them. I think he went along with what the others thought to avoid casting suspicion on himself.

    Him turning his phone off and on could've been an oversight or he figured he could explain away why his phone pinged in certain locations.

    I don't think the murders were only about the money. I think CM was also trying to keep himself out of prison once again.
     
  10. TX SMR

    TX SMR Posting my personal opinions

    I think if CM had his way he would testify because he's very conniving and thinks he's the smartest man in the room. I'm sure his DT told him absolutely not! If you testify you are sure to hang yourself.
     
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  11. Cousin Dupree

    Cousin Dupree Platinum Member

    Why do you think he believes he's the smartest man in the room?
     
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  12. TX SMR

    TX SMR Posting my personal opinions

    He's very arrogant and manipulative. Him wanting to represent himself in the beginning speaks volumes about him and his ego.
     
  13. Cousin Dupree

    Cousin Dupree Platinum Member

    I think it was @SoSueMe who pointed out the reasoning for that. He was probably given a crappy defense team that could care less about the case, so he said he wanted to represent himself. He knew that if he changed his mind again he'd get a different defense team. It appears to have paid off because this defense team is doing a good job, IMO.
     
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  14. Cousin Dupree

    Cousin Dupree Platinum Member

    No, I'm not. Most of the people who post here I've known for a lot longer than this site has existed. I know that when they express their opinion where it's coming from. I don't always agree, but I listen. I've also read the tweets coming out of the trial by reporters that are posted here. Sometimes watching this trial has been a big problem.
     
  15. TX SMR

    TX SMR Posting my personal opinions

    He opted to represent himself before the assignment of a public defender. He was actually quite smart (conniving & manipulative) in doing so because he was able to see what evidence law enforcement had compiled.
     
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  16. Cousin Dupree

    Cousin Dupree Platinum Member


    BBM

    There is no concrete proof that Merritt did it. It's a circumstantial case. There is circumstantial evidence that leads the PD to believe she was raped. Do you think there isn't enough circumstantial evidence to believe she was raped?
     
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  17. Cousin Dupree

    Cousin Dupree Platinum Member

    Well, he is smart then, if that's true.
     
  18. Akoya

    Akoya Bronze Member

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  19. Freebird

    Freebird Well-Known Member

    He is very smart. Ponce even said so. In representing himself and reviewing all the evidence I sense he knew the state had a very weak case. He then went with two good defense attorneys, Maline and McGee, who after looking at the evidence, agreed. They concluded their client was innocent and the case was full of confirmation bias. They only looked in one direction.

    Maline and McGee were both involved with the Colony Case with the same judge. We know how that ended. Acquittal for all involved.
     
  20. Akoya

    Akoya Bronze Member

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