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Neal Falls: Oregon man who attacked a woman in West Virginia may have other victims!

Discussion in 'Crimes' started by Kimster, Jul 22, 2015.

  1. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    Good thinking!


    What struck me about those descriptions from those people who knew him was that they all thought he was a serial killer. More often times than not, people are surprised someone they knew was a killer. In this case, not so much!

    I wonder if anyone is looking around Arizona in the areas that he went? To see if there are more remains to be found out there like they were talking about?
     
  2. Takeitfromme

    Takeitfromme Professional Journalist/News Reporter

    I feel this guy could even be the LISK!!!! If we find out he is I am NOT going to be surprised... I think the LISK killings, Chillicolthe (sp?), Nevada area, Arizona area.... coast to coast... he even reminds me somewhat of Tommy Lynn Sells with the whole transient coast to coast thing... YUCK
     
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  3. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    Takeitfromme The LISK case is one that I often have studied. Have been in contact with NamUs about the unidentified in the case and might have a good lead on the Fire Island legs ! Will let you know if anything comes of it. Had to contact NamUs about a missing person I found that they hadn't listed. They are investigating it now. :) The missing person just so happens to be blonde and has a very angelic name. She hails from the same state that LISKs Unidentified Jane Doe in 2000 likely came from as well. Suffice to say that state is not NY and indicates further that LISK was likely a drifter like Neal, yet also was interested in police tactics also like Neal.

    I'll have to find my timeline I made long ago illustrating both the Las Vegas and NY victims timelines together. I had also added the AC4 to it for the sake of it. I'll just amend it and add the OH/Niagara Falls victims (as well as whatever victims we believe are connected in Oregon and other states.)
     
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  4. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    Anyone think Neal maybe could be connected to the model mayhem/explore talent disappearances? the girls were from CO. Model mayhem and Explore Talent both were used by many young women at one point as a craigslist type service though many just used it for a modeling network. I could see Neal having used the site to maybe lure and attack girls. I've had concerns that Tia Payne of AZ (who often put up ads on mm/et and maybe even cl) could have been a victim of the same monster that likely took the CO girls.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/03/03/3-missing-colorado-women-have-online-modeling-profiles/
     
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  5. Takeitfromme

    Takeitfromme Professional Journalist/News Reporter

    YES! I have always felt that LISK was a drifter.... could have been in the area for quite some time....OR traveled back and forth. thinks he is "like a cop" and "smarter than a cop"... I think he is very careful but an arrogant know it all type of personality....
     
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  6. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    I agree with you for sure! LISK is power hungry and wishes to have more authority over others. He wants to play God. He's a complete hedonist. Typically guys who have an abnormal desire for superiority/authority over others seek out professions and lifestyles in which they could play out that scenario. It seems as if Neal shares these same qualities. I'm sure it frustrated Neal that he couldn't keep a successful career with the border authorities (or any law enforcement authority) and further motivated his need to seek out that power role in his hedonistic murder sprees.

    Oh and yes the drifter part - I never understood why it was theorized LISK just HAD to be from the area the bodies were left. He was a seasonal killer and the bodies were left off the side of a highway which indicates to me he is someone who visits/passes through the area. he left the torsos in places in Manorville where they were found relatively quickly which I don't think he intended to happen. I think once he found out it was not a good dumping ground in Manorville bc the remains kept being found there he kept dumping at Gilgo where the other remains still had yet to be discovered. He amended the crime scene according to what he learned about the areas AFTER he left the first couple of dismembered bodies in Long Island. Jmo.
     
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  7. Takeitfromme

    Takeitfromme Professional Journalist/News Reporter

    I could not agree with you more.... in the very beginning of that I too thought "oh he has to be local" but the more I thought about it I thought "no way, but he DOES know the area". IMO
     
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  8. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

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  9. Takeitfromme

    Takeitfromme Professional Journalist/News Reporter

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  10. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    Added some other links to the post after I edited it discussing Christine Jurek of AZ and other Model Mayhem missing/murdered women.

    Off to work for today! Ttys :hug:
     
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  11. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    Oh one last thing! I find the need so I don't get ahead of myself to note the timeframe and counties that might be of interest in relation to Neal Falls and his activity when working at the NV/AZ border sometime around 2003-2005.

    Any human remains or missing persons fitting Neal Falls MO/victim profile between 2003-2005 should be considered in the following counties:

    Clark County, NV
    Mohave County, AZ
    San Bernardino County, CA
    Riverside County, CA
    San Diego County, CA

    I'll try and just focus on these 5 counties and the 2003-2005 timeframe when I am done working later. If anyone knows the exact years Neal lived in NV it would be much appreciated. Also will need to know how long Neal's brother lived in San Diego for. :D
     
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  12. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    Have been wondering if Neal is responsible for this very creepy murder in Clark County, NV:

    http://unidentified.wikia.com/wiki/Clark_County_Jane_Doe_(2008)

    How creepy that someone (presumably the killer) sent in a letter to authorities in 2008 detailing where they could find the head. there was a shirt along with it which is strange. Maybe he wrapped the head in a shirt when transporting it to the burial spot. Hm.
     
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  13. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    in 2008 LISK didn't leave any victim in burlap like he was able to in 2007 with Maureen. He would however continue leaving victims in burlap the following summers. What was LISK up to in 2008 that he couldn't leave a girl in burlap that summer? Did he write a letter to police in the beginning of 2008 telling them where a victim's body was in NV bc he knew the schedule for that year would not allow him to take time to go to NY and murder? In short, Was he unable to carry on his burlap ritual he had begun in 2007 in NY and satiated his ritualistic need by sending in a letter in 2008?

    Furthermore, LISK began making taunting calls in 2009 with Melissa Barthelemy's murder. Could his getting away with sending a taunting letter to authorities in NV a year before have Empowered him to begin contacting and taunting his next victim's family?

    Or quite simply maybe he got paranoid after sending the letter and decided to cool off for the rest of 2008 and resumed killing in 2009 once he felt more comfortable.

    Imo and theory LISK (Neal) began to become more brazen when he taunted the authorities about the NV body and got away with it. He got a little spooked after, but once things died down throughout 2008 and most of 2009 and the coast was clear he continued killing again in summer of 2009 - having confidence he didn't have before the NV letter which lead him to begin to contact Melissa's family.
     
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  14. Takeitfromme

    Takeitfromme Professional Journalist/News Reporter

    from what I am finding he lost that job in 2008 and was "free to move about the country"
     
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  15. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    Those who worked with Falls would surely be able to recognize his handwriting. Is a copy of the note available? Was it typed?
     
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  16. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    Thank you so much!!!!! I've been wondering about when he was let go! Hm he gets fired in 2008 and LISKS murders begin to escalate in 2009.

    I wish we knew where Neal worked after he got fired in 2008. The Dailybeast article gives no concrete sources for their assertion that Neal worked as a Security Guard at Niagara Falls. Maddening. But it's DailyBeast so go figure.

    "Falls worked as a security guard at Niagara Falls in the past, the friend recalled. The assertion is startling in light of reports that Niagara Falls detectivesare investigating whether Falls had anything to do with dismemberment homicides there."

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/30/portrait-of-a-serial-killer-as-an-online-perv.html
     
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  17. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    I've been wondering the same things Kimster. Wish we knew. :donotknow:
     
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  18. Takeitfromme

    Takeitfromme Professional Journalist/News Reporter

    I just had a link for this..... may have been huffington post...let me go look
     
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  19. Takeitfromme

    Takeitfromme Professional Journalist/News Reporter

    several links, i'm sure posted before but they state the years he lived in Nevada and worked security 2004-2008
    here's the one that cites the proper source for verifying his employment:

    Falls worked as an unarmed guard for a third-party security company at the Hoover Dam, according to U.S. Bureau of Reclamation spokeswoman Rose Davis. Falls worked at an inspection point on the Arizona side of the dam and is believed to have been employed there from about 2004 to 2008 before he was fired for behavioral issues, Davis said.
    http://lasvegassun.com/news/2015/aug/03/missing-womans-family-holds-out-hope-Neal-Falls/

    this link has an article with a good amount of info.... know its been posted somewhere before but here it is:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/neal-falls-dog-serial-killer_55bbbf4fe4b0b23e3ce2b340
     
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  20. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    The coworkers who discussed Neal said he was fired for sexually harassing a female! So suppose that is the reason why he was let go in 2008.

    Any truth to the rumor that he worked security at a casino in Niagara Falls? The exact casino name isn't known.
     

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