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Neal Falls: Oregon man who attacked a woman in West Virginia may have other victims!

Discussion in 'Crimes' started by Kimster, Jul 22, 2015.

  1. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    Tentative Timeline of Neal Falls possible murders:

    Fire Island Jane Doe - Fire Island/Jones Beach NY - Early 1996

    Peaches Jane Doe - Hempstead Lake State Park, NY - June 28 1997

    Neal moves to Henderson, NV - 2000

    Jane Doe #6 - Gilgo Beach/Manorville, NY - Nov 2000

    Misty Marie Saens - Las Vegas, NV - March 2003

    Jessica Taylor - Gilgo Beach/Manorville, NY - July 2003

    Jodi Marie Brewer - Las Vegas, NV - Aug 14 2003

    Lindsay Marie Harris - Las Vegas, NV - May 5 2005

    Jessie Foster - Las Vegas, NV - March 29 2006

    John Doe - Gilgo Beach, NY - 2006

    Jane Doe (NamUs UP # 7583) - Henderson, NV - 2006

    Cherries Jane Doe - mamaroneck/Cove Neck, NY - March 2007

    Maureen Brainard Barnes - Gilgo Beach, NY - July 9 2007

    Neal no longer works for checkpoint and moves out of his rented room - AZ/NV - 2008

    Anonymous map/letter sent to Henderson police leading to NamUs UP # 7583 -
    NV - January 2008

    Tanya Rush - Bellmore, NY - June 2008

    Melissa Barthelemy - Gilgo Beach, NY - July 10 2009

    Megan Waterman - Gilgo Beach, NY - June 6 2010

    Amber Costello - Gilgo Beach, NY - Sept 2 2010

    Neal claims new residence - Springfield, OR - 2010

    Neal is evicted after 1 year and leaves - Springfield, OR - 2011

    Lattingtown Jane Doe - Lattingtown, NY - 2012

    Loretta Jo Gates - Niagara Falls, NY - Aug 25 2012

    Neal's Mother Dies - OR - Jan 2015

    Jane "Monique" Doe - Gravesend, NY - Jan 2015

    Neal was in - Eugene, OR - April 2015

    Terri Lynn Bills - Niagara Falls, NY - June 6 2015

    Neal is stopped for speeding - TX - July 2015

    Neal is shot and killed by Heather - Charleston, WV - July 2015

    *This list is based upon the victim's date of death or post mortem interval, not necessarily the date they were found.*
    Last edited: Sep 3, 2015
  2. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    From 1998-1999 - Springfield, OR (?)

    From 2001-2002 - Henderson, NV

    In 2004 - Henderson, NV

    From 2013-2014 - ?

    In my timeline no bodies are found during these years matching Neal's MO. IMO it is unlikely Neal cooled off during these years. Therefore, we need to get an idea of where he was these years and also look at Victims matching his MO from those years to add to the timeline.

    Feel free to give me suggestions of possible victims to add or any known movements of Neal you find. Kimster, I'll look over your Oregon list tonight or tomorrow morning and see if I can add your possible victims you listed. Gotta go be social IRL now! Hugs.
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  3. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    I'd feel more comfortable if I knew more about him having some kind of roots in New York. What am I missing?
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  4. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    Reports have asserted that NY is one of the states where authorities are looking into Neal Falls. The NY victims I listed are commonly considered Long Island serial killer victims and many here have expressed a possible connection between Neal and those victims. So I added just to cover that base.

    Also, didn't Neal have a gun permit in Indiana or something? Or was it Illinois? I can't seem to find that info again. There is a possible serial killer of prostitutes there at work since 2010.

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  5. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    Ohhhh. I must have forgotten that about New York. I know I have pretty much convinced myself that I don't think he's involved in the Ohio murders. And I remember us talking about LISK before but for some reason I couldn't remember the connection.

    This is why I admire those that take good notes!;)
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  6. Takeitfromme

    Takeitfromme Professional Journalist/News Reporter

    Yeah I strongly suspect Neal could be LISK.. could be rsponisble for Chillicothe girls too... they are looking into it..
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  7. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    I defo agree that the Ohio murders are likely Not victims of Neal. I think they have the guy already. Jmo.

    But I defo think it was worth looking into all things considered. Who knows maybe it was Neal. I certainly wasn't there! Glad I wasn't, too. Eep!
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  8. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    Does make you wonder about the West Mesa Bone Collector in relation to Falls. A lot of that stuff went down not too far from NV/AZ. It's just the next state over. But I do have to verse myself more on the case to be fair. I know dismemberments were involved which makes me also think of Neal.

    I would sure hope Neal was the only nut running around at that time targeting at risk sex workers, BUT the world is a very lost place these days. :(
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  9. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    I've read up and the theory is that the West Mesa Bone Collector likely picked up and had moved on to another burial site by 2006 or 2007. He was active from 2001-2006. His gravesite was discovered in 2009. It is theorized by many that he could either be a dirty cop or that sex trafficking/gangs are involved (very similar to the theories about LISK as well as the initial theories about the Las Vegas victims). The victims seemed to be targeted when the fall fair was going on - which attracts many working girls bc of all the people from all over NM and the U.S. Visiting. They believe he may have disposed of some victims remains in other locations because only the remains of 11 of the 16 missing were found. A private investigators on the case began receiving taunting call and letters from someone claiming to have info about the killer, but it never panned out.
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  10. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    Ah....thank you for the refresher course. It's been a long time since I saw a documentary on these murders.
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  11. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    No probs :) here is a link with info as well for anyone else interested. I messed up btw. The killer was active at the site from 2001-2005. Stopped using the site by 2005. I'm a stickler for getting facts right


    Ok time to go to bed. Night friends. :offtobed:
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  12. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    I'm glad you're a stickler! Keep stickling!

    Nighty night. :blowkiss:
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  13. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    Sooo the stickler in me read up more on the west Mesa murders. What I found interesting is that the victim Cinnamon had told people before she disappeared that a dirty cop was chopping off the heads of prostitutes and was burying them at the Mesa. Omgosh if that doesn't sound like Neal!

    Now, here is info on the man who kept calling an investigator with the Final Notice IP agency claiming to be the killer. You can hear the voicemail message from the anonymous murderer here. Note we are not sure if these taunts are actually from the murderer, but how interesting that a murderer also taunted police not long before in 2008 in Nevada? And a serial murderer began taunting victims families and police in NY in 2009?

    Also, I found that although 16 victims disappeared between 2001-2005, the victims found at west Mesa disappeared for the most part between 2003-2004. The murderer did not seem to kill during the fall as a report falsely claimed, but instead the victims seemed to disappear in the spring/summer months. The victims in many cases were killed a month apart, as if the killer picked or only had one time a month to carry out his ritual. Neal was said to work 4 day weeks which allotted him 3 day weekends. Many of the victims were killed on Thursday, Friday, or Saturday toward the middle of the month.

    We find interesting enough that during the West Mesa murders the Vegas murders were beginning. the killer likely stopped using the crime scene in 2004/2005 bc it was about to undergo construction. Incidentally it's this time we start seeing the Vegas activity pick up (and following that the NY activity escalated).
    Last edited: Sep 4, 2015
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  14. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    I had no idea about those phone calls. I remember Neal's coworkers described him. I don't recall them describing what his voice sounded like, however? I'd like them to hear that recording just to see if it sounds like Neal at all.
  15. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    i wonder if there is any way to get that recording to the former coworkers? Maybe I can send it to the blogger/sleuth that contacted Neal's former coworkers and she can then forward the voice sample to them... I need to go back and see what that blog was. Will contact her at some point today and provide that. I hope she gets back to me or at least tries it out. Furthermore I wonder if Amanda Barthelemy who spoke with LISK on the phone has heard the voice of the man claiming to be the WMBC? Great idea Kimster!
    I hope your morning is faring well! I am up to early feeling a little sick so I'm taking the time to read up and crime watch away!
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  16. GarAndMo49

    GarAndMo49 Not A Sheeple

    Feel better, DaisyChains! I need to read this thread later (have appt. soon). Thanks to you & Kimster & anyone I'm missing for putting it together!:hug:
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  17. DaisyChains

    DaisyChains Bronze Member

    Thanks to you too @GarAndMo49 ! :blowkiss:So glad you are keeping up with this thread. Helps me feel like the victim's stories are being heard. And who is Neal Falls again? Oh a big fat nasty nobody. we will make sure after all is said and done that Neal's name is a blip and his victim's names will be lovingly remembered.

    Remembering the noted probable victims of Neal via the NV authorities/press:

    RIP Misty, Jodi, and Lindsay.

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  18. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    Sorry to hear you're under the weather! I'll be off and on today. I'm doing some harvesting in my garden♡.

    Tomorrow I'll be out all day with SAR - looking for Kyron♡Horman.
  19. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    This is an interesting case, Gar. Everyone around here is pretty creeped out by it too. Thankfully, no one I know ever ran across this serial killer. But wait - he's still a "potential" serial killer. We still don't know that he's killed anyone! Which makes the mystery even more intriguing.
  20. GarAndMo49

    GarAndMo49 Not A Sheeple

    Bless your heart, Kimster...I'll be with you in Spirit, and I'm sure I'm not alone...
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