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PA RAY GRICAR: Missing from Bellefonte, PA - 15 April 2005 - Age 59 - Centre County District Attorney

Discussion in 'Missing 2000 to 2009' started by Akoya, Dec 6, 2017.


is he dead or alive?

  1. alive

    1 vote(s)
  2. deceased

    3 vote(s)
  1. The Fenton sighting was first reported in the media on May 13, 2006.

    The witness in Centre Hall was stopped at the traffic light; she was heading toward Pleasant Gap, west. RFG was stopped at the other side of the light. Neither was moving at the time. thoough RFG accelerated after the light changed.

    A fall or jump the bridge in Lewisburg, on that day, probably would not have been fatal, in and of itself. It probably would cause injuries. Hypothermia would be the main issue. That would not explain why there was no body.

    If those are the only things I cite after 43 minutes, it must be good. :)
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  2. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    I just finished listening to the podcast. I have to agree that sightings aren't always reliable and that Ray's looks weren't unusual and he looks pretty mainstream. I thought that was good that they brought that up because I've always been skeptical of sightings.. I've been told that in some cases they'll be thousands of tips and detectives will check them out and it was someone else. Even in the Wix case with a mother and daughter.

    The Hell's Angels retaliation story was interesting. If that guy really wanted to reduce his sentence, then he would have told them where Ray was. I don't know if that's just a story to keep the guy from being bored in his cell or what.

    @J. J. in Phila , do you know if there's verification that a contractor called Ray that morning?
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  3. There are two things that give the witnesses high credibility.

    1. RFG's scent (and the Mini) were where said they saw RFG on 4/15/05. So that is both physical evidence and eyewitness reports (multiple) that RFG was in the SoS parking lot.

    2. The Centre Hall witness, who was a courthouse worker and knew him from there, saw him turning on 192 around 11:30. She was sure of the time because she stopped for something and had a time stamped receipt. The first Lewisburg witnesses, those at the Packwood House, put RFG there around lunchtime, Noon and 1:00 PM. There were media reports of the Packwood witnesses later in the week. The Centre Hall witness gave her report early in the week, before the media report of the time that the Packwood House witnesses saw RFG. The existence of the Centre Hall witness was not disclosed publicly until 3/31/11, almost six years later. Neither could have known of the report of the other.

    The distance from Centre Hall, via 192, to the Packwood House, is 45 miles. Even traveling at an average speed of 45 MPH would have brought RFG to Lewisburg "around lunchtime." Even averaging 60 MPH, RFG would still have been there "around lunchtime."

    Either one would be sufficient to say that, beyond a reasonable doubt, that RFG was in Lewisburg.

    My source on the call had access to the case file; I am 100% certain of that. Some time ago, I had written to BPD. I had put a password in the letter, so that if they ever had a need to contact me, I could verify it was someone with LE. My source had the password.

    My source also gave me the tip that the case was being given to to the PSP, which proved to be accurate.
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  4. BTW, I don't consider the contractor's call to be too important. It was between 9-10 AM. The Centre Hall witness saw him, and it was more than a fleeting glimpse, around 11:30 AM. Remember, she knew RFG through working at the Courthouse.

    Further, how would the caller know it was RFG? If you call my house and a male voice answers, how would you know it was really J. J. and not another person in the house?

    If someone would ask the question, "Was RFG killed prior to 8:00 AM on 4/15/05," the contractor call would only be one of about a dozen or so pieces of evidence that he was, and not the strongest piece.
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