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Discussion in 'Europe: Crimes & Trials' started by Lily, Aug 31, 2015.

  1. Lily

    Lily Bronze Member

    WARNING: Unpopular opinions exist in this thread.

    Rolf Harris will, according to reports from August this year, be appealing his sentence due to 'new evidence' brought to light on a website dedicated to his innocence.


    Members of CW who've had a chance to read my posts will be well aware of my opinions regarding pedophiles. I am, suffice to say, extremely unsympathetic toward them. Without exception.

    But my opinion of the Rolf Harris trial is that it was, like the majority of cases (with a few truly guilty exceptions) brought against British celebrities by Operation Yewtree, a total farce. I will give my reasoning later, but just to make my position clear here and now:

    NO, I am not a fan.
    NO, I don't think he's a particularly great guy.
    YES, I do think he's guilty of sexual harassment.
    NO, I do not believe the vast majority of testimony given by his accusers at the trial - for good and demonstrable reason.
    YES, I am interested in seeing justice done.

    I hate to put myself in a position where I could be accused of 'victim bashing', I really do. It's the last thing I would ever want to do, to a genuine victim.

    There is, however, ample evidence of 'victims' in this case being less than truthful on the stand and in the media. That's not a suspicion, or an opinion, that's a fact.

    And the ones who can't be seen as outright lying give evidence with some pretty huge holes in it. One got her age wrong by about four years, and changed her testimony to correct this. One put Rolf at an event that NOBODY (including police) can prove even happened, and at a time when he was actually overseas.

    Did this make a difference to the jury? Nope, apparently not.

    There's multiple other problems with this trial, as well -- like one of the jurors at the trial being a member of the same police department that brought the initial charges, for a start. Also, the jury being clearly directed by the judge toward a guilty verdict.

    I am not in any way affiliated with the following site or its organisers, but they pretty much sum up my observations on the case so I'll link it to save space here:


    I don't think he's at all "innocent" on a moral level. I think he's an unconscionable creep who got away with treating women badly for his whole adult & professional life.

    But I also don't think he should be in prison as a result of this particular trial. Nor do I believe there was credible proof brought to trial of him being a pedophile.

    Feel free to disagree, debate, whatever. Just don't throw rocks, eh.

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    Rolf Harris accused of eight sex attacks on women - one under the age of 13

    Entertainer Rolf Harris has appeared in court ahead of his upcoming trial for an alleged string of historic sex attacks dating back more than 45 years.

    The 86-year-old artist and musician faces eight allegations against seven females dating from 1971 to 2004 - one of whom is said to have been under 13.

    He was charged earlier this year with seven counts of indecent assault and one of sexual assault as part of Operation Yewtree , an inquiry into celebrities suspected of child sex offences.

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    Rolf Harris indecency trial starts in UK

    Rolf Harris is appearing in a London court by video link on the first day of his trial on charges of indecently assaulting women and girls.

    The 86-year-old will face seven accusers over alleged offences committed between 1971 and 2004 when the complainants were aged between 12 and 27 at the time.

    The jury was set to be empanelled on Monday for a trial set down for four or more weeks in Southwark Crown Court.


    Jury selected in Rolf Harris trial as the entertainer pleads not guilty to indecently assaulting seven women

    A JURY has been selected in the trial of legendary Australian entertainer Rolf Harris, who has pleaded not guilty to charges of indecently assaulting seven girls and women.

    Harris, 86, appeared in the Southwark Crown Court today by video-link as his trial, which is expected to last around six weeks, got underway in London.

    A jury of seven women and five men, with three reserves, was selected, but not sworn in.

    The swearing-in will take place on Wednesday, after final legal discussions between the prosecution and defence.

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  6. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    Is this guy the UK equivalent to Jared Fogle here in the states?
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  7. MissyMoo

    MissyMoo Bronze Member

    Hes an Aussie Kimster :nah:
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    Kimster Director Staff Member

    Whoops! I missed something.
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  9. MissyMoo

    MissyMoo Bronze Member

    No not at all Kimster, many people think hes English. He was born in Perth Western Australia and stayed here until he was an adult. I think his mum and dad were English.
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    Rolf Harris jury sent home for weekend

    The London jury in the indecent assault trial of Rolf Harris has been sent home for the weekend and will resume deliberations on Monday.

    In London's Southwark Crown Court the jury of seven women and five men were told by Judge Alistair McCreath they could head home early on Friday afternoon after working hard on the case all week.

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    Rolf Harris cleared of indecently assaulting 12-year-old girl as jury considers remaining charges

    Former TV entertainer Rolf Harris has been cleared of indecently assaulting a 12-year-old girl.

    But the 86-year-old could still be convicted of sexually assaulting the girl when she was older.

    The artist and musician was found not guilty of indecently assaulting the youngest of his alleged victims when she was 12.

    But the jury has still not reached a verdict on an alternative count against the same victim which alleges he sexually assaulted her when she was under 16.

    The jury reached a decision on count two, deciding she must have been over 13 at the time of the alleged offence, but are still considering if the alleged crime took place when she was under 16, but over 13.

    At Southwark Crown Court, the foreman announced they still could not reach unanimous verdicts on the remaining charges against Harris.

    Judge Alistair McCreath told the seven women and five men, who have been deliberating over the Australian's fate for almost a week, he would accept majority decisions on the counts if they could not reach them unanimously.

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    Rolf Harris cleared of new child sex charges spanning four decades after second trial

    Rolf Harris, the disgraced entertainer, has been cleared of three sex charges after a second trial.

    A jury took just under a week to find the 86-year-old Australian not guilty of three of the seven alleged assaults said to have taken place over four decades, following a second trial at London's Southwark Crown Court.

    Harris is currently in jail following a 2014 trial which saw him convicted of 12 sex offences against four female victims, one aged as young as seven or eight.

    But his defence team claimed the jury in the first trial had "got it wrong" and that the media frenzy had "without doubt made him vulnerable to people making accusations against him".

    The prosecution team asked for one week to decide if it will apply for a retrial.

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  13. Ladyslug

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    Rolf Harris is due to be freed from jail in six weeks – and will rush to the side of his sick wife.

    The paedophile, 87, has been told he will walk out of Stafford prison in the third week of June after nearly three years jail, which is roughly half his sentence.

    A source said: “Rolf is now counting down the days. He isn’t enjoying jail life at all and is desperate to get out.

    “His wife Alwen is 85 and has been in failing health, so he wants to be reunited with her as soon as possible.”
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  14. Lily

    Lily Bronze Member

    It should also be noted that the alleged images of "child pornography" found on his computer prior to the first trial were proven to be no such thing and the prosecution dropped those charges.

    I absolutely believe this man deserves a retrial for those initial convictions. Sadly, I don't think this will happen. If he's ever exonerated at all, it will probably be some time after his death.

    Rolf Harris trial: first jury 'got it wrong' because accuser lied, court hears

    But on Tuesday a court was told of a voicemail recording in which the victim's estranged boyfriend told her "you lied about the Rolf Harris s**t", and shown an email the same man sent to police saying the woman's claims were not true.

    "The Crown is entitled to rely on the convictions from trial one," Mr Vullo said. "The onus is on us … to show by evidence that what happened in the first trial led to convictions which are not properly based on the evidence."

    He focused on two victims from the first trial.

    The first, an Australian woman, had been accused of lying about being attacked by Harris – by her ex partner in an "unsavoury" private voicemail message, Mr Vullo said.

    Mr Vullo also said there was a "whole chapter of evidence" the first jury had never heard about a woman who had claimed Harris assaulted her when she was 8 years old in a community centre near Portsmouth in 1969.


    I have said it before, will say it again - I'm the first person in line to throw rocks at a pedophile. But in this case, I do not believe the accused is actually guilty of the crimes he was charged and convicted for.

    In light of the basic level of research I've done that clearly throws some serious weight behind the possibility that Rolf is actually innocent of all these crimes, it absolutely amazes me that his lawyers in that first trial were not all over the glaring lies and omissions and massive changes of story coming from the various accusers. There's actually a lot they could have done to help their client and did not.... I wish that whole trial could be redone, and done properly.

    I fully expect the result would be very much the same as this latest trial.
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