1. CONNECTICUT: An AMBER Alert has been issued for Vanessa Morales, 1, who is missing from her Ansonia home after her mother was found murdered.
    There is no suspect or vehicle information at this time.
    The last confirmed sighting of Vanessa and her mother was on Thanksgiving day.
    Click HERE for more information
    Dismiss Notice
  2. Keeping Children and Adults Safe
    Click Here for more information!
    Dismiss Notice
  3. What do you do if you have a loved one missing?
    In this section, you will find tips on what to do and not do.
    Easily find organizations that you can contact for help.
    Click here for more information
    Dismiss Notice
  4. “We can't help everyone, but everyone can help someone.”
    Our mission: Working together to help locate the missing, name the unidentified
    and discuss true crime cases within an intellectual, safe and respectful Internet community.
    *~*~*~*Don't forget, we are on Facebook! www.facebook.com/CrimeWatchersNet*~*~*~*~*
    CLICK HERE FOR FORUM SUPPORT
    Dismiss Notice
Dismiss Notice
Welcome to Crimewatchers.net! We are happy to have you with us.
Please let any staff member know if you need assistance. We're here to help! (If you aren't a member, please join us today. We'd love to meet you!)
Dismiss Notice
Crimewatchers.net opened on April 26, 2015 with the purpose of making a difference in getting the word out for the missing, unidentified, and justice for victims. Let us know if you have a case you'd like us to feature here, on Twitter &/or Facebook. Contact email: CrimewatchersCW@gmail.com

CO SAGUACHE COUNTY JOHN DOE: M, 30-40, found in the Rio Grande Forest, CO - 19 October 2002

Discussion in 'Unidentified 2000 to 2009' started by Akoya, Mar 3, 2018.

  1. Akoya

    Akoya Bronze Member

    [​IMG]



    A hunter on horseback discovered the victim's remains lying in a ravine in the Rio Grande Forest, just off a dirt road about 14 miles west of Saguache. He had been wrapped in a handmade, antique quilt, and wrapped again in black plastic secured with duct tape. He is believed to have been asleep when killed.

    Not long before the victim was found, a Hells Angels rally was held in Gunnison. It is unknown if there is a connection, but he could have been connected to the rally and met with foul play.

    The victim was later buried in an unmarked grave.

    https://crimewatchers.net/forum/ind...-tshirt-could-he-have-been-at-the-rally.3236/
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Mar 13, 2018
    Kimster likes this.
  2. Akoya

    Akoya Bronze Member

    https://identifyus.org/en/cases/15756

    Case Information
    Status Unidentified
    Case number 02-432
    Date found October 19, 2002 00:00
    Date created September 18, 2016 21:15
    Date last modified December 05, 2017 11:41
    Investigating agency
    date QA reviewed

    Local Contact (ME/C or Other)
    Name Tom Perrin
    Agency Saugache County Coroner's Office
    Phone 719-850-2219
    Case Manager
    Name Tom Perrin
    Phone 719-850-2219

    Exclusions
    The following people have been ruled out as being this decedent:
    First Name Last Name Year of Birth State LKA
    Robert Odman Sr. 1942 South Dakota
     
  3. Akoya

    Akoya Bronze Member

    https://identifyus.org/en/cases/15756

    NamUs UP # 15756
    [​IMG]
    ME/C Case Number: 02-432
    Saguache County, Colorado
    Age cannot be determined White Male

    Case Report - NamUs UP # 15756
    Case Information

    Status Unidentified
    Case number 02-432
    Date found October 19, 2002 00:00
    Date created September 18, 2016 21:15
    Date last modified December 05, 2017 11:41
    Investigating agency
    date QA reviewed

    Local Contact (ME/C or Other)
    Name Tom Perrin
    Agency Saugache County Coroner's Office
    Phone 719-850-2219
    Case Manager
    Name Tom Perrin
    Phone 719-850-2219

    Demographics
    Estimated age Cannot Determine
    Minimum age years
    Maximum age years
    Race White
    Ethnicity
    Sex Male
    Weight (pounds) 226, Measured
    Height (inches) 77, Measured
    Body Parts Inventory (Check all that apply)
    All parts recovered
    Body conditions
    Not recognizable - Insect/animal activity
    Probable year of death 2002 to 2002

    Circumstances
    Location Found
    GPS coordinates
    Address 1
    Address 2
    City
    State Colorado
    Zip code
    County Saguache
    Circumstances
    Found west of Saguache, CO.

    Physical
    Hair color Brown

    Left eye color Unknown or Missing
    Right eye color Unknown or Missing
    Eye description

    No other distinctive body features

    Fingerprints
    Status: Fingerprint information is available and entered

    Clothing on body
    A black "Harley Davidson" logo T-shirt with the inscription "Fort Washington Maryland" and a pair of black jockey shorts.

    Other items found
    with body
    Multicolored print quilt.

    Dental
    Status: Dental information / charting is currently not available

    DNA
    Status: Sample submitted - Tests complete
     
  4. Akoya

    Akoya Bronze Member

  5. Akoya

    Akoya Bronze Member

    Blanket/quilt found with the remains.

    [​IMG]


    Harley Davidson t-shirt with "Fort Washington, MD"

    [​IMG]
     
  6. Akoya

    Akoya Bronze Member

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1550umco.html

    1550UMCO - Unidentified Male
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    Reconstruction of the victim by Daniel Marion, Jr.; victim's shirt and blanket found with the remains.

    Date of Discovery: October 19, 2002
    Location of Discovery: Saguache County, Colorado
    Estimated Date of Death: 2002
    State of Remains: Not recognizable - Insect/Animal activity
    Cause of Death: Homicide by two gunshots to the head

    Physical Description
    Estimated Age: 30-40 years old
    Race: Unknown
    Gender: Male
    Height: 6'5"
    Weight: 226-240 lbs.
    Hair Color: Brown
    Eye Color: Unknown
    Distinguishing Marks/Features: Unknown

    Identifiers
    Dentals: Not available. Victim had no teeth and dentures were not recovered at the scene.
    Fingerprints: Available.
    DNA: Available.

    Clothing & Personal Items
    Clothing: Harley Davidson T-shirt with "Fort Washington, Maryland" printed on the back and black briefs.
    Jewelry: Unknown
    Additional Personal Items: Multicolored print quilt.

    Circumstances of Discovery
    A hunter on horseback discovered the victim's remains lying in a ravine in the Rio Grande Forest, just off a dirt road about 14 miles west of Saguache. He had been wrapped in a handmade, antique quilt, and wrapped again in black plastic secured with duct tape. He is believed to have been asleep when killed.

    Not long before the victim was found, a Hells Angels rally was held in Gunnison. It is unknown if there is a connection, but he could have been connected to the rally and met with foul play.

    The victim was later buried in an unmarked grave.

    Investigating Agency(s)
    Agency Name: Saugache County Coroner's Office
    Agency Contact Person: Tom Perrin
    Agency Phone Number: 719-850-2219
    Agency E-Mail: N/A
    Agency Case Number: 02-432

    Agency Name: Saguache County Sheriff's Office
    Agency Contact Person: N/A
    Agency Phone Number: 719-655-2544
    Agency E-Mail: N/A
    Agency Case Number: 02-0227

    NCIC Case Number: Unknown
    NamUs Case Number: 15756

    Information Source(s)
    NamUs
    CBI
    The Center Post Dispatch News
    The Pueblo Chieftain News

    Admin Notes
    Added: 10/15/10; Last Updated: 10/28/17
     
  7. Akoya

    Akoya Bronze Member

    http://unidentified.wikia.com/wiki/Saguache_County_John_Doe

    Saguache County John Doe

    Saguache County John Doe was a man found shot to death in Colorado in 2002. He could have been in the area due to a motorcycle rally that occurred shortly before he was found.
    Physical Description
    • He may have had brown hair.
    • He had no teeth, but no dentures were found with the remains.

    Saguache County John Doe

    [​IMG]


    Sex Male
    Race White
    Location Saguache County, Colorado
    Found October 19, 2002
    Unidentified for 15 years
    Postmortem interval Unknown
    Body condition Decomposed
    Age approximation 30 - 40
    Height approximation 6'5
    Weight approximation 235 - 240 pounds
    Cause of death Gunshot (homicide)
     
  8. Akoya

    Akoya Bronze Member

    Saguache, Colorado

    upload_2018-3-3_15-1-17.jpeg

    4th St., Saguache, Colorado

    upload_2018-3-3_15-6-57.jpeg


    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
  9. Akoya

    Akoya Bronze Member

  10. Akoya

    Akoya Bronze Member

    A hunter on horseback discovered the victim's remains lying in a ravine in the Rio Grande Forest, just off a dirt road about 14 miles west of Saguache.

    Rio Grande National Forest is a 1.86 million-acre U.S. National Forest located in southwestern Colorado.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
  11. Akoya

    Akoya Bronze Member

    Not long before the victim was found, a Hells Angels rally was held in Gunnison. It is unknown if there is a connection, but he could have been connected to the rally and met with foul play.

    The Mountain Jackpot News

    [​IMG]

    upload_2018-3-3_15-39-13.jpeg




    [​IMG]

    Harley Davidson t-shirt with "Fort Washington, MD"

    [​IMG]
     
  12. Akoya

    Akoya Bronze Member

    http://www.montrosepress.com/local-...cle_f60a26d5-1b65-5ba4-9c8d-6cd03094a4a9.html

    Local law enforcement making preparations for Hells Angels
    • Jul 9, 2002

    Scott Schwebke

    MONTROSE -- Local law enforcement agencies are preparing for an influx of Hells Angels expected to travel through Montrose later this month en route to a motorcycle rally in Gunnison.

    About 400 Hells Angels from around the country are expected to gather in Gunnison July 21-29. With family and friends, the Hells Angels contingent is expected to swell the town of 5,500 by an added 1,500.

    The Montrose Police Department and the Montrose County Sheriff's Office plan to have all available officers on standby during the duration of the rally to prevent any trouble locally.

    "We are hoping that we don't have any problems, but we will be prepared if there are," said Montrose Police Chief Gary Mecham.

    Local law officers are hoping for the best but are prepared for the worst, particularly if some of the Hells Angels decide to camp near Montrose because there are no accommodations in Gunnison, Montrose County Undersheriff Dick Deines said.

    "You've got to expect problems because everybody else, wherever they have been, has had problems," he said.

    The Colorado State Patrol plans to keep close tabs on the Hells Angels, said Trooper Gordon Strople.

    "We will watch them, but we won't stop them unless they give us a reason to stop them," he said.

    MPD officers recently received training from the Colorado State Patrol regarding tactical and safety procedures to deal with the Hells Angels, Mecham said. During the rally, area law enforcement agencies will share intelligence on the Hells Angels' activities. The MPD also plans to send three officers to Gunnison during the rally as a preventative measure.



    More than 200 police officers -- including three from the MPD -- sheriff's deputies and Colorado state troopers and SWAT team specialists will be on Gunnison streets or staged for quick response if trouble should occur, Gunnison Police Chief Jim Keehne said. "Hopefully, it will be a non-event," he said. "All we can do is base our experience on their (the Hells Angels) past performance, which of late hasn't been very good."

    Last month, two prospective Hells Angels were shot and wounded along a highway near Laconia in central New Hampshire. The next day a man was beaten in Laconia by Hells Angels members, though police say the two incidents appeared unrelated.

    In April, three people were killed in Laughlin, Nev., as Hells Angels and Mongols, a rival motorcycle gang, engaged in a gun battle inside a casino. The last Hells Angels rally in Colorado in 1996 triggered a gunfight between bikers at a hotel in Steamboat Springs.

    The Associated Press contributed to this report
     
  13. Akoya

    Akoya Bronze Member

    https://apps.colorado.gov/apps/coldcase/casedetail.html?id=1554

    Colorado Bureau
    of Investigation (CBI)

    COLD CASE FILES
    Case Detail

    John Doe
    Case Details
    Case Type: Homicide

    Height: Unknown

    Case Status: OPEN

    Weight: Unknown

    Aliases:

    Identifying Marks:

    Incident Date: 10/19/2002

    Occupation:

    Agency: Saguache County Sheriff's Office

    City: Saguache

    Date of Birth: Unknown

    County: Saguache

    Date of Death: Unknown

    Agency Case #: 02-0227

    Age: Unknown

    Judicial District: 12th Judicial District

    Gender: Male

    Year Solved:

    Race: Caucasian

    NamUs Case #: Unknown

    Eyes: Unknown

    NCMEC Case #: Unknown

    Hair: Unknown

    About this Case:
    Anyone with information is asked to please contact the Saguache County Sheriff's Office.

    If you have any information about this case, please contact:
    Saguache County Sheriff's Office

    Saguache

    Colorado
     
  14. Akoya

    Akoya Bronze Member

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...in_the_United_States#Saguache_County_John_Doe

    Saguache County John Doe

    The body of a male was discovered on October 12, 2002 in Saguache, Saguache County, Colorado. He had been shot in the head twice at a minimal distance and left in a ravine. He had been wrapped in a handmade, antique quilt, and wrapped again in black plastic secured with duct tape. He is believed to have been asleep when killed. The victim was six feet five inches tall and was estimated to weigh between 235 and 240 pounds. Although he was toothless, no dentures were found. He was estimated to have been between the ages of thirty and forty. He wore a motorcycle jacket with the words "Fort Washington, Maryland" and black shorts. It is possible that he was attending a motorcycle-related gathering at the time of his death
     
  15. Akoya

    Akoya Bronze Member

    http://s10.zetaboards.com/usedtobedoe/topic/1021462/1/

    http://www.centerpostdispatch.com/v2_news_...2&story_id=1294

    Authorities working on 2002 cold case
    Posted: Thursday, Aug 5th, 2010
    BY: TERESA L. BENNS

    SAGUACHE — Nearly eight years have passed since a hunter on horseback discovered the body of a man lying in a ravine in the Rio Grande Forest just off a dirt road about 14 miles west of Saguache.

    The body was partly frozen when found Oct. 12, 2002 and it has not been determined how long it may have lain in the ditch. The man was wrapped in black plastic secured with duct tape and was clothed only in a Harley Davidson T-shirt and black briefs. Fort Washington, Maryland was printed on the back of the T-shirt.

    Saguache Undersheriff Dan Warwick has made a consistent effort over the years to identify the body and at one time hoped to have the face of the man professionally reconstructed and circulated for identification, but that opportunity has passed.

    “This man has a family somewhere,” Warwick said. “I want this case brought back into the public eye so that we can identify this person and give him a proper burial.”

    Currently the body is interred in an unmarked grave as a John Doe. Warwick believes that someone has clues that would help establish his identity based on what he was wearing and personal information found with the man.

    An autopsy attributed the cause of death to two gunshot wounds to the head, fired at close range. The autopsy also determined the man was about six feet, five inches tall and weighed between 235-240 pounds.

    No eye color could be determined but it is thought the man’s hair may have been brown. He was probably a white man, possibly in his late thirties. No identifying marks, tattoos or broken bones were detected during the autopsy.

    Because the man had no teeth and no dentures were found at the scene, it is believed he was sleeping at the time of his death. Fingerprints taken in 2002 have never returned a hit to assist in identification.

    One clue that has intrigued investigators over the years is what they found when the black plastic casing was first removed — the man had been wrapped in a handmade, antique quilt, the kind families preserve as heirlooms from generation to generation.

    Authorities over the years have speculated that because the man was found not long after the last Hells Angels rally was held in Gunnison, he could have ridden to the rally from out of state and met with foul play in that time frame. But until an identification is made, it will be hard to determine whether there is any real connection to the rally.

    Two Saguache County sheriffs have investigated the case only to come up empty-handed. Rural sheriff’s offices are notoriously short-staffed and deputies overworked, but patience wins the day and Warwick is a patient man. He continues to check missing persons’ lists and keep his ears open for anyone looking for a father, son, brother, uncle or grandson.

    “Everyone has drawn a blank in this case,” Warwick said. “But I just can’t give up on this guy.” Warwick asks anyone with information about this case to contact him at 719-655-2544.
     
  16. Akoya

    Akoya Bronze Member

    http://s10.zetaboards.com/usedtobedoe/topic/1021462/1/

    http://www.alamosanews.com/v2_news_article...&story_id=20036

    Valley cold cases haunt law enforcement
    Posted: Thursday, Mar 24th, 2011
    By JULIA WILSON Courier staff writer

    SAN LUIS VALLEY —“Their voices may now be silent...those who may know the truth are not.”

    The motto of the Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI) Cold Case Unit is the only hope for families and friends looking for closure when a murder remains unsolved or a missing person is not found.

    A case is designated a “Cold Case” when all the available leads have been followed, new information stops coming in, and there have been no arrests.

    But that does not mean the cases are forgotten.

    “I have the files in my office and go over them regularly to keep them fresh,” Saguache County Sheriff Mike Norris said. Saguache County has two missing persons and one homicide listed by the CBI as cold cases.

    [​IMG]


    The date of the John Doe murder is not known, but his body was discovered on Oct. 19, 2002.

    “We’ve searched all the databases,” Norris said. “This one is hard to investigate because we don’t have an identity. If we knew who he was then we could have something to go by.”

    DNA and fingerprints have been run through the databases with no results, Norris said.

    Alamosa County Sheriff Dave Stong doesn’t forget his cold cases, either.

    [​IMG]


    “We have the option of picking up the file of a cold case and running with it or turning it over to the CBI Cold Case team,” said Stong. “But whatever we choose to do, we do not forget them.”

    Anyone having information on any of these cases can call their local law enforcement group, 911, or Crimestoppers at 719-589-4111.
     
  17. Akoya

    Akoya Bronze Member

  18. patsella

    patsella Bronze Member

    This may be far out but I wonder if he was shot in his sleep. Clothing is t-shirt and underwear and he had no teeth. People who wear false teeth generally take them out before bed.
    Just a thought that came to me while reading about this case.
    Thanks Akoya for all the great info!
     
    ima.grandma and Akoya like this.
  19. Akoya

    Akoya Bronze Member


    You are correct. The detectives do believe he was shot in his sleep. If he was with the Hells Angels group, I wonder what happened to his motorcycle.


    A hunter on horseback discovered the victim's remains lying in a ravine in the Rio Grande Forest, just off a dirt road about 14 miles west of Saguache. He had been wrapped in a handmade, antique quilt, and wrapped again in black plastic secured with duct tape. He is believed to have been asleep when killed.

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1550umco.html
     
    ima.grandma likes this.
  20. Summer_breeze

    Summer_breeze Blowing through the Jasmine in my mind

    He was found dead in 2002, and his identity remains a mystery

    https://www.9news.com/article/news/...stery/73-61ada5b2-1590-42d8-95dc-fc8b0a4baff6
    Author: Janet Oravetz
    Published: 11:11 AM MDT May 31, 2019
    Updated: 5:55 PM MDT May 31, 2019

    SAGUACHE COUNTY, Colo. — Investigators are hoping facial reconstruction images of a man who was found dead in 2002 will help identify him and potentially lead to clues about who killed him.

    The body of the man only known as John Doe was discovered off Colorado State Highway 114 in Saguache County on Saturday, Oct. 19, 2002.


    Saguache is located approximately 180 miles southwest of Denver.

    The Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI) assisted the Saguache County Sheriff’s Office (SCSO) with the recovery of the remains. John Doe was found wrapped in a blanket.

    [​IMG]
    The blanket that John Doe was found wrapped in back in Oct. 2002.
    CBI
    The coroner concluded that the cause of death was a homicide.

    A forensic artist recently completed facial recognition sketches of the victim.

    [​IMG]
    A forensic sketch of John Doe who was found in dead in 2002.
    CBI
    “Unfortunately, there was no identification, vehicles, or information located with the remains that would not only help investigators to identify the victim, but also locate the person(s) responsible for his murder,” said Sheriff Dan Warwick. “It’s a case that the sheriff’s office has actively worked over the years, and I am hopeful someone will come forward to provide a key piece of information to help solve this case.”

    His race and ethnicity remain unknown, but the following information was provided by the coroner.

    • Unknown male, unknown age—possibly between 40 and 60.
    • 225-300 pounds and 6’5” tall
    • Brown hair
    • No tattoos or obvious scars
    The victim was wearing black boxer shorts and a black Harley Davidson T-shirt from Fort Washington, Maryland.

    [​IMG]
    The shirt that John Doe was wearing when he was found dead in Oct. 2002.
    CBI
    If you have any information on this case or believe you may know the victim, please contact the CBI at 303-239-4211 or the SCSO at 719-655-2525.
     
    ima.grandma likes this.

Share This Page