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ZODIAC KILLER: Updates and Continuing Discussions

Discussion in 'Cold Cases' started by SheWhoMustNotBeNamed, Jan 17, 2017.

  1. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Administrator Staff Member

    Vallejo police have sent Zodiac Killer DNA to a lab

    Investigators searching for the Zodiac Killer have submitted evidence to a private DNA lab in the hopes of obtaining a genetic profile of one of California's most elusive criminals — then tracking him down using the same kind of family-tree tracing recently used in the East Area Rapist case.


    Vallejo police Detective Terry Poyser, who has worked the Zodiac case for four years, said his agency has submitted two envelopes that contained letters from the Zodiac Killer for a type of advanced DNA analysis that previously had not been available in the case.

    Poyser declined to identify the lab, but said it would attempt to obtain a full DNA profile from saliva on the envelope flap and stamps. He said he expected to have results back from the lab as soon as in the next few weeks, and almost certainly by summer.

    "They were confident they would be able to get something off it," Poyser said.

    http://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article210320689.html

     
  2. Cousin Dupree

    Cousin Dupree Platinum Member

    Why would they announce they are doing this? As I understand it, people can remove their DNA profiles from that site if they want.
     
  3. SheWhoMustNotBeNamed

    SheWhoMustNotBeNamed Administrator Staff Member

    Sounds like you're right. This is from 23andMe. I checked there because I submitted my DNA there. Other companies may be slightly different.
    People can request to have their information removed. But it can take up to 30 days. And any samples/info/data already being used in any studies or tests will not be removed. Their lab, which is not the company itself, can also retain some of the information.
    Now that people know the potential consequences of submitting DNA, some will probably remove it. But I honestly don't think it will make that big of a hit.


    If you no longer wish to participate in our Services or no longer wish to have your personal information be used, you may close your account by sending a request to Customer Care. When closing an account, we remove all Genetic Information within your account (or profile) within thirty (30) days of our receipt of your request. As stated in any applicable Consent Document, however, Genetic Information and/or Self-Reported Information that you have previously provided and for which you have given consent to use in 23andMe Research cannot be removed from ongoing or completed studies that use the information. Our contracted genotyping laboratory may also retain your Genetic Information as required by local law and we may retain backup copies for a limited period of time pursuant to our data protection policies. In addition, we retain limited Registration Information related to your order history (e.g., name, contact, and transaction data) as long as your account is active or as needed to provide you services, as well as for accounting, audit and compliance purposes.

    https://www.23andme.com/about/privacy/
     
  4. spike

    spike Bronze Member

    Also consider that in DNA family chains, not everybody will have the same objections.
    While Uncle Harry requests to not participate, Aunt Phoebe is fine with it.

    This has happened within my family of origin.
    One member wanted no part in DNA discoveries, yet others dug up ghosts in the closet, shall we say.
     
  5. Cousin Dupree

    Cousin Dupree Platinum Member

    Fixed that for you! :good:

    I've seen some speculation that they are trying to see if GSK's DNA matches Zodiac's DNA.
     
  6. Kimster

    Kimster Director Staff Member

    Twitter is a-buzz about this guy:

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    I guess it has to do with this John Doe being identified. He'd stolen a young boy's identification:

    CLEVELAND, OH (WOIO) -

    Investigators said the man living under the name of Joseph Newton Chandler III was actually Robert Ivan Nichols.

    Joseph Newton Chandler III true identity released... His real identity is Robert Ivan Nichols

    — Cassie Nist (@cassienist) June 21, 2018
    Back in 2002 an unidentified person committed suicide in Eastlake, according to the National Missing and Unidentified Persons System.

    The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System said the man was living under the name of Joseph Newton Chandler III.

    Investigators said they realized the man who committed suicide was not the real Chandler.

    Authorities said the real Chandler was a 8-year-old boy who died in a traffic accident in Texas in 1945.

    U.S. Marshals said Nichols was a World War II veteran and was a Purple Heart recipient from Indianapolis.

    According to his family when he came home from the war he burned his uniform and moved to California in the 1960s.

    In 1964 he got a divorce from his wife, U.S. Marshals said he told his wife and his kids he was leaving them.

    Investigators said in 1965 his family reported him missing and never saw him again. His son last heard from him in 1965 when Nichols sent him a letter postmarked from Napa, CA.

    U.S. Marshals said Nichols lived under his real name, Nichols, until 1976 and assumed the identity of Chandler, a Texas child, in 1978 when he began working in Ohio until his death.

    He lived in Eastlake until his suicide in July of 2002.

    Nichols left behind $82,000 in a bank account with no next of kin.

    U.S. Marshals are now trying to figure out why he stole the Chandler identity.

    What the National Missing and Unidentified Persons System knows about Nichols:

     
  7. patsella

    patsella Bronze Member

    Thanks for the update Kimster. I knew he'd stolen the boys ID but I didn't know his case was solved.

    I hope they are able to ID the woman in the well soon. I think DNA Does are working on her case now.
     
  8. Jason Futch

    Jason Futch The King of the Highway

    Wondering if there has been any updates on the Chandler/Zodiac connection or whether or not the DNA testing has concluded from the extraction of the postage stamp on one of the Zodiac letters.
     
  9. Cousin Dupree

    Cousin Dupree Platinum Member

    Nah, it will probably be a few weeks before they get a better DNA report back.
     
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  10. Takeitfromme

    Takeitfromme Professional Journalist/News Reporter

    The docu series is available on my on demand cable. Time to start binge watching.
     
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  11. Takeitfromme

    Takeitfromme Professional Journalist/News Reporter

    I tried to nap and listen to the shows.... nap didnt happen and now i am grumpy lol. But I will say this docuseries is great
     
  12. Cousin Dupree

    Cousin Dupree Platinum Member

    What's the name?
     
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  13. Takeitfromme

    Takeitfromme Professional Journalist/News Reporter

    Its on the history channel called Zodiac Killer there are 5 episodes
     
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  14. Takeitfromme

    Takeitfromme Professional Journalist/News Reporter

    Gives a whole new perspective on the zodiac suspects
     
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  15. Cousin Dupree

    Cousin Dupree Platinum Member

    I think I saw that now that you mention it. It's not being shown here now. I just checked.
     
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  16. Takeitfromme

    Takeitfromme Professional Journalist/News Reporter

    I have comcast but anyway i am binge watching again.... these detectives and their team did great work on this case
     
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  17. Cousin Dupree

    Cousin Dupree Platinum Member

    Yeah, I remember that. They really go in depth.
     
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  18. Takeitfromme

    Takeitfromme Professional Journalist/News Reporter

    Actually I am excited to hear this.
    The lab is privately owned and funded. They are Parabon Nanolabs. Their technology beats any law enforcement lab. They can actually get a composite sketch from a dna sample. It gives ethnic background, hair and eye color I could go on and on. I am actually trying to push the detectives on my friend Melissa's case to submit samples to them or see how it could be paid for or whatever. Her case hits the 30 year mark in September.... 30 years unsolved:vigil:
     
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  19. Cousin Dupree

    Cousin Dupree Platinum Member

    Start a ******** account.
     
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  20. Takeitfromme

    Takeitfromme Professional Journalist/News Reporter

    Im not sure that police depts can accept donations that way. They can accept monetary donations for k9's as long as said donation is approved by board of selectmen or city council. I will try to find out.
     
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