JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events

• April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
• December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
• February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
• February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
• June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
• July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
• August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
• September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
• September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
• September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
• September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
• October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
• October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
• October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
• October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
• Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
• November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
• November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
• December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
• December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
• December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
• January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
• January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee

The latest timeline in the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell cases - East Idaho News

REXBURG — Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua "JJ" Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

www.eastidahonews.com

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[GrandmaBear]

Lindsey Blake REALLY puts it in perspective as to the defense's delays, games and time he has had KNOWING all of this for over a year, etc. She covered a LOT of what Prior has pulled here. And Chad I guess.

I hadn't seen her part and worth a listen.

She is on about halfway or so.

Okay now Boyce actually gained some ground with me. I'm not a fan generally. He reminded Prior of Prior's own statement last year in court that he WOULD never be asking for a continuance because he wants off the case. He said THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN. Put his own words right to him and here he is now doing so. I paraphrased. The actual worded statement by Prior put back to him was better and I believe I recall it once hearing it.

I never did get to finish the whole hearing so am going to watch all of Nate's. Finding it worth it and he brings the important parts and explains well. Good show.

He does have a bit o tech issues at the beginning but he isn't down and keeps talking until they get the hearing up so he can share parts so it was still informative while that was going on.

 

[Kimster]

Nate does a good job of covering this and clearing it up. I saw a fair amount of the hearing but not all by a long shot.

I did hear Prior giving different info than his motion stated.

I gather they went into a sealed hearing for a bit and then prosecution came out and Boyce met ONLY with Chad and Boyce which is ex parte. I'm still watching Nate myself.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention! For some reason it didn’t come up in my feed

 

[Kimster]

Lindsey Blake REALLY puts it in perspective as to the defense's delays, games and time he has had KNOWING all of this for over a year, etc. She covered a LOT of what Prior has pulled here. And Chad I guess.

I hadn't seen her part and worth a listen.

She is on about halfway or so.

Okay now Boyce actually gained some ground with me. I'm not a fan generally. He reminded Prior of Prior's own statement last year in court that he WOULD never be asking for a continuance because he wants off the case. He said THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN. Put his own words right to him and here he is now doing so. I paraphrased. The actual worded statement by Prior put back to him was better and I believe I recall it once hearing it.

I never did get to finish the whole hearing so am going to watch all of Nate's. Finding it worth it and he brings the important parts and explains well. Good show.

He does have a bit o tech issues at the beginning but he isn't down and keeps talking until they get the hearing up so he can share parts so it was still informative while that was going on.

I wonder if Boyce knows Prior and Prior has done this before? As a tactic? Just thinking out loud.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I wonder if Boyce knows Prior and Prior has done this before? As a tactic? Just thinking out loud.

Maybe. I don't think he's been a judge all that many years but he certainly referred to what he's done in this case including getting time as he wanted the DNA tested and then he never did it and other things. Boyce goes into them and Nate talks of the things as well. Definitely tactics imo.

 

[Tresir]

I think he was again trying to force removal of the DP BUT they had nothing to lose in a way. If the DP wasn't removed, Chad could end up paid or with additional help OR removed and in that case, Boyce would be taken away Chad's "chosen" counsel like we saw in Delphi. Although his motion said otherwise, in court he said he wanted to stay on and Chad wanted him.

Boyce's only other option would have been to remove him and delay the trial for probably a least a year.

If I have it right, an atty can only be non death qualified and represent Chad if private paid and chosen. BY making the issue he was not being paid (and hasn't been for at least a year or longer and the court having declared Chad indigent), he would no longer be a privately retained/paid attorney no?

I don't know how they got around it and got paid help for Chad but they must have made Chad a state paid attorney I assume. I saw a good portion of the hearing but did not see all of it.

I will probably sound like a broken record but I am very unenamored with Boyce. He should have seen this coming and he should have seen the things coming with Lori. I'm sure he was loathe to remove the DP yet again and be known for losing it against both of them. He did all right in the trial but it was a largely uncontested no defense case in Lori's. Other than that I have nothing complimentary to say about him and that even isn't a compliment.

If he had simply severed the cases years ago when attempted time and again by Prior, none of this would likely have ever happened although it may still have happened in Lori's as he took way too much time for everything and she was under speedy trial rights. Refusal was I'm sure likely to save the county and ID some $$$. But look at what other great cost in the long run!! Loss of DP on Lori and now this.

The sad fact IS we may still see a delay as we all know defense gets its way with delays quite often for fear of appeal and I'm sure Prior and his new help will be able to throw a kink in somehow if they want another delay. I expect it in fact and get ready for a ton of motions to bury the prosecution and court as we get closer and we are already CLOSE to trial in terms of what close is in the justice system. Two months plus and he is not prepared.

While I am all for the DP with these two evil creatures, I have to wonder if it is worth it. You need a death qualified jury also and at least some jurors may struggle with conviction even though they ARE to be okay with the DP. None hardly get executed these days anyhow or it takes years and families deal with tons of appeals and more. More like it takes decades and Chad isn't some 20 year old.

Again Boyce should have seen this coming from a mile away. And in the usual games our system allows, Prior did it now when he could have said a year ago the same thing and was not getting paid. Our system will never be fixed in our lifetime nor do I think ever.

People really need to stop and think who they vote for. Many a judge ending up on the county bench doesn't belong there. However, in many cases it gets circumvented by one stepping down and another being appointed.

In summary, the issue I guess has been fixed but imo never should have occurred in the first place. That still, however, doesn't mean this trial will go off on time. Just about two months and a few days for a new added attorney to catch up and know the case but after all Prior should be more than ready to be lead attorney right after all this time? I guess it will depend on whether Chad and Prior want it over with or want to delay further to keep Chad in county and the court and prosecution off balance. I myself FULLY expect other motions, more cost and attempts to delay right up to the last minute.

I just don't know how all the property money has run out. The value of that whole property has been spent already on Chad's defence costs alone? I cannot even see what the lawyer has done TBH.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I just don't know how all the property money has run out. The value of that whole property has been spent already on Chad's defence costs alone? I cannot even see what the lawyer has done TBH.

A lawyer around here, an average one, not even a big criminal defense lawyer is $300 per hour. That's not for the highest. If Prior puts in even ONE 40 hour week for Chad, that's $12,000. He's been at it for years. He has filed tons of motions, attended tons of hearings. He has had a ton of discovery to go through and a hearings and a case to prepare for. I don't have much trouble seeing how that money could be gone. We don't even know the price they settled on but I'd bet money it was under $300K and probably closer to $200, if that, imo.

Believe me, it wouldn't take long just with legitimate hourly expense alone, not even adding travel and more. Fortunately much is done by video these days or the cost would be even higher.

 

[Kimster]

I just don't know how all the property money has run out. The value of that whole property has been spent already on Chad's defence costs alone? I cannot even see what the lawyer has done TBH.

I’m curious to know what the property was valued at in that area. Some areas of the United States property is almost affordable.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I’m curious to know what the property was valued at in that area. Some areas of the United States property is almost affordable.

And I think it was there. For some reason I have $140K in my head from some point in time so I keep my thoughts around $200K tops. Chad got Tammy to move there and found the place and I believe it was affordable, rural, Rexburg not big, ID, etc. Seems to me real estate there was affordable as it largely is here too although that's changed some these past few years and may have there as well but Prior has had it for some time and again I have it in my head the range I mention and I doubt he got more than that from Prior.

Not sure where I heard it but it sticks with me. Also Chad and Tammy sure weren't wealthy. And who knows when in those years Chad worked and contributed and did not cost money and they had a number of kids to clothe and feed... I also doubt Tammy's income was stellar in that area even if at the U. I think a $2,000 house payment would be a real reach for them much less more. They may have had some equity in their first home but they weren't all that old so probably not a lot unless it increased in value over the years. Nothing to me indicates Chad ever fixed up any of their homes or improved them based on the one they were in so again I'd guess they had close to a full mortgage but may have bought for lesser than they sold for. But who knows any excess may have been blown from him with his travels and book publishing company that made no profit. Lol.

Anyhow I don't have any problem believing whatever value he and Prior set for them is long gone and used up.

 

[Kimster]

And I think it was there. For some reason I have $140K in my head from some point in time so I keep my thoughts around $200K tops. Chad got Tammy to move there and found the place and I believe it was affordable, rural, Rexburg not big, ID, etc. Seems to me real estate there was affordable as it largely is here too although that's changed some these past few years and may have there as well but Prior has had it for some time and again I have it in my head the range I mention and I doubt he got more than that from Prior.

Not sure where I heard it but it sticks with me. Also Chad and Tammy sure weren't wealthy. And who knows when in those years Chad worked and contributed and did not cost money and they had a number of kids to clothe and feed... I also doubt Tammy's income was stellar in that area even if at the U. I think a $2,000 house payment would be a real reach for them much less more. They may have had some equity in their first home but they weren't all that old so probably not a lot unless it increased in value over the years. Nothing to me indicates Chad ever fixed up any of their homes or improved them based on the one they were in so again I'd guess they had close to a full mortgage but may have bought for lesser than they sold for. But who knows any excess may have been blown from him with his travels and book publishing company that made no profit. Lol.

Anyhow I don't have any problem believing whatever value he and Prior set for them is long gone and used up.

And there was probably a loan on it, so the bank had to be paid.

 

[GrandmaBear]

And there was probably a loan on it, so the bank had to be paid.

Why did I NOT THINK OF THAT? Man you are right. I DID mention mortgage and them not likely being able to afford a high payment and i assumed of COURSE it likely wasn't paid for but I never computed to the next part, that for Prior to own it free and clear, he'd have to assume the mortgage or it be paid and that would LESSEN any amount of credit he gave Chad for the home to pay for future legal fees.

Heck, this money is for sure gone. I didn't have any trouble believing it at full and clear value but it would have been less. Unless they made a lot on their previous home and bought this one outright and I doubt that they had that much equity seriously, there was a mortgage and probably not a small one. Not full maybe but says half would be gone at least right off the top from the value of the home.

Good thinking girl! I don't think I've seen anyone even mention this over the years in other comment areas like chats or comments on videos, etc. or by talking heads or anyone. Can't believe this never crossed anyone's mind. At least I've never heard it put out there and it makes so much sense.

Yeah, the funds are gone or Chad's credit from Prior for it. No doubt.

I wonder if any YTer, so MANY went to Lori's trial, ever thought to go to the register of deeds. Mortgages are shown on property records and it is all public record.

You know it is these mundane daily life details that I want in most cases. Rarely do we get them.

We have had no hint of serious financial issues in their lives OTHER than we know Chad was a deadbeat as far as contributing and was messing around with Lori and likely spending at that point, but it is likely they paid their mortgage regularly just due to Tammy I'm sure. I say this only because there's never been a hint of anything other than that, no foreclosures, they were able to buy the place, etc. But wasn't Tammy only about to be 40? Even if they bought a first home in their late 20s, they were far from being done with the mortgage if a typical 30 year. My point I guess is even the sale of the former home (I'm assuming they owned) would have had a mortgage to pay off.

I guess it doesn't really matter but it all does add up to yes, the house money would be long gone with fees for being represented in more than one murder trial to date.

 

[GrandmaBear]

 

[GrandmaBear]

This trial will likely NEVER take place on April 1st. A day so fitting for Chad's trial.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Also Prior a day or so ago filed a motion to extend time for experts, etc. and complained that state has new discovery or evidence they did not disclose until a day before the expert deadline or some such sh*t. Watch the video I linked above she reads this one too. He hasn't asked for a delay of trial but...... What is the prosecution doing submitting scientific evidence a day before the expert deadline??!! Assuming what Prior says is true.

No clue as to why Rachel Smith is leaving, could it have to do with this? Lauren speculates something else. No one knows actually.

I will repeat that I doubt this trial will go off on time.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I'd add that I don't think the Prior thing hit the records until just today, he filed it or it is dated a day or two ago but just became known from what i can tell.

 

[Kimster]

This case has been going on for so long- I’m not surprised that she’s stepping down. She might be moving, she might have health issues, we really don’t know.

 

[GrandmaBear]

This case has been going on for so long- I’m not surprised that she’s stepping down. She might be moving, she might have health issues, we really don’t know.

Well a couple of possibilities have been bounced around but I agree, we don't know. Her contract could simply be up. Prior did make a deal of how the state was paying an OUT OF STATE prosecutor at his last hearing where he had no paid help and that the State had how many prosecutors. He didn't mention her by name but it is who he meant. Of course we can't know but this is a possibility that it is leveling the playing field some, concern about appeal?

Lauren mentioned that interesting tidbit from Prior's recent motion hearing on withdrawing because Chad was out of money. I think Nate speculated something too but can''t recall what. Of course it isn't known.

I'm sure they are well prepped for trial and she is finishing helping with things for the next month but she did do her part in the last one, each of the three had their duties. So I'm sure they can handle it.

I do wonder if this newly filed evidence was missed discovery by the prosecution or some new last minute scientific evidence? If it was missed then this is going to be a problem imo. Even if NEW, I can see a delay coming as Prior won't have had it for long enough I'm sure he'll say... He's actually already filed such the way it sounds...

 

[RoundPeg]

 

[RoundPeg]

 

[RoundPeg]

 

[GrandmaBear]

Chad's trial is just a bit over a month away. Who thinks it will really go off on time?

Lori's already has turned complex in the AZ charges and Ms. Normally Speedy Trial Strategy may be turning it and we may be years away now that it isn't a strategy worked with Chad as co type defendants. He is not on trial or charged with Charles' death. Nor Brandon's. Unfortunately.

Looks like typical Lori, looking back at someone or aware of the cams while her new counsel doesn't eactly have his arm around he but well sort of and leaning in close with Ms. Weirdo Flirt. Manging to do her hair and such in AZ I guess. Wonder if she still hates it there, or adapted and found "friends". It was said she did.