JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

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Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events
  • April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
  • December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
  • February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
  • February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
  • June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
  • July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
  • August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
  • September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
  • September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
  • September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
  • September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
  • October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
  • October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
  • October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
  • October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
  • Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
  • November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
  • November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
  • December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
  • December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
  • December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
  • January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
  • January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee
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Guess Who said:
That is basically what I remember but also can't remember the details. I'm pretty sure it was said that Alex took him upstairs and the story came from a visitor and that was the last time JJ was seen. I can not remember who it was though.
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Chad took him up. The Alex thing was taking him next door or bringing him back, I think taking him. I should know that one better but know he was apparently asleep with Alex carrying him. To his apt. I think. Upstairs was a different thing, time and not heard of before and it was Chad. I could swear.

Did you mean to say Chad?

I dont' known that we will even hear it in trial because it was not in everything and never seemed to be seized up on. I recall it because it was like WHAT? That it was Chad and not Alex in that remark. I also recall it as it told me Chad WAS there.

I fully accept if I am the only one who heard this or thinks they did lol.

To continue why I also recall it is I pictured Chad smothering him and ending him after taking him up. From the start, that man.... Has always creeped me out... Even with what we know of Alex he does not have the same effect on me. At all.

Not saying instinct is right but am saying I know I heard this as these are the thoughts I had over hearing it.
 
I can't recall but don't think I linked Linda's. I hit both her and Nate and think I linked his and am just finishing hers now., did not last n ight pretty sure. Each picked their own things from trial to talk about.

Of note is she always talks of Chad's Duper's delight and how she hates how he sees the autopsy, body finding photos of the kids. She is as she states is HER own opinion, getting off onn such for lack of a better term as also ARE HER WORDS. I have to point it out because this is so how I feel about this man. I can't help but think he had his hands on in these murders. And enjoyed. He gives me this sense that I don't have words for and always has. We know he likely did that to Tammy. Probably sat on her, held her down, God knows what he said to her or called her, held her down and killed her. And I think he did the kids as well. Linda has not said this (not done yet though) but that's the feeling and vibe I have and have always had. Idon't release him from his evil but I don't get and have never gotten the same vibe from Alex. Of course one can't know and we never saw him arrested or prosecuted, etc.

I can also see Lori participating or even doing it but with Chad I can't shake it.

And Linda says something I else that I hate mentioning but would guess most of us have thought of and don't want to but that there is no reason to duct tape a dead child's mouth, head, etc.... And how Tylee was found, what these people did and for how long I don't know, that one is me talking. And I don't think we are talking two people. Of course could be wrong but I am going by a lot of things and have watched almost all there is on this case. These things aren't hit on too heavy as they don't need to be to try and to give to the public but some is clear if one just thinks about it. I think all know I can't stand such thoughts and I endeavor not to think on or dwell on but Linda brought some up and so I am mentioning this before I stuff it back down before I can't take it.

Prior can try to paint Chad any way he likes and Lori as evil but both are, I'm clear on that, and she may e as beyond as he is but he most definitely IS a deeply evil man. I don't feel that oftten and in fact right now am drawing a blank as to who else I have felt this about. Yes of course the babykillers of one child and stepathers who molest or kill or both or beat and so on. All KNOW that is BEYOND what I can stand but he is different level. I don't call one crime or murderer worse than another but way, way different level than some. I don't think I've ever really talked much on it other than saying both are evil as all heck and both as guilty as the other and no one led anyone between he and Lori BUT he is different level. Again she may be too but I'm so certain on him. And I think all know for me to class him worse than what was done to us isn't what I mean and what it takes t say that but this man is sick and sadistic and worse than I have words for.

Anyhow, I'll stop. I just felt with Linda saying part of what I feel and think, that I have not lost my mind and am just looking at things wrong. I went further of course lol but I haven't finished her show yet either lol so who knows.

Here is Linda, not long, but as always, worthwhile.

 
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I have so had it with this computer or whatever it is changing my WORDS! Capitalizing what I do not want capitalized and so forth and substituting words and ones that do not even exist. HOLLER. YELL. ARGGHHH . $$%^$&%&%&%&%&!!!!
 
Boy she did go on to where our opinions match a LOT.

Also of note which I think I already mentioned and noticed was how Prior kept going on after objections from Wood and before the judge ruled on them. Repeatedlky. Honestly what I watched yesterday almost had me wondering why I wanted to be off or watch it as I had about had it in short order plus the sound is junk. I did manage to improve it a bit with a setting but still pretty bad.

Prior had a fit with the detecitve calling it a shooting at Tammy when she had said it was maybe a paintball gun. And other things.

Linda called some of it a clusterF if you get my drift with Prior.

Chad and Lori both flew to LA on the Knottsberry Farm trip Chad took with his children. Not clear if together but both flew there however Lori was not seen in any pics of the amusement park.

OF MOST INTEREST and kind of what I've been recalling today of some things back when which I had also forgot, not all of, I recall Mel P and Thanksgiving, is how they were doing devious things and huddling, etc. with the whole clan and Linda refers to an old video of hers called the Holiday Huddle and the little devious things they were doing that weekend and with most of the clain. Ian, ng Ian, Mel P, Zulema and Alex. Not mentioning on this occasion Mel G or David. Didn't Mel P go to Ian's famiily's or something and Lori tell her to get out tof Dodge or some such, can't recall... She's directing people to her past video. She is really on it and back and pointing out other videos of hers of which most know she had many many back in the day before life kind of interfered with her. I know how that goes lol.

Anyhow just finishing it finally. And much more in her short but PACKED video as always. She gave several examples of how good Wood did on redirect after Prior's **** and points made. There is much to hear I haven't shared.

Then she refers to another video of hers of who is who in the zoo I think she called fitting when we all talk about how convoluted and info overload there has been in these years in addition to just keeping the playes straight.

Anyhow don't get to watch or contribute all of the time and just giving a take on this one I linked.

Priors not waiting for Boyce's ruling irritatate him several times and judge kept saying wait for rmy ruling and Prior kept pulling it. I actually was watching when this happened and imo the man was alienating or could have the jury with these obvious stunts.

Anyhow Linda is definitely back in full force on this one at least. And seems a lot happier on top of it than she seemed for a time. Divorce will do that but how would I know...
 
Guess Who said:
That is basically what I remember but also can't remember the details. I'm pretty sure it was said that Alex took him upstairs and the story came from a visitor and that was the last time JJ was seen. I can not remember who it was though.
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It was Melani Gibb and David Warwick.
 
Guess Who said:
That sounds right, but a total guess on my end. I just remember the basis of the story..
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Alex took JJ to his apartment or back from or both, something on that order, that is next door not upstairs. Chad took him upstairs. I'm really sorry I cant' recall where this comes from but I am pretty positive it was Mel G, I simply can't recall in what interview, etc. And I'm left with the impression ever since from then that this was earlier and Chad took him up, took some time and was alone with him. And it was later Alex was seen with a sleeping JJ. I dont' always recall where what came from how long after, but I recall what I got from it and thought from it if significant to me and put together with other facts.

It is such that it made me think perhaps Chad killed him then and what was seen as a sleeping JJ (and let's remember that comes from Mel and DAvid and their facts ton't match perfectly or times and who was where when, etc.) what they may have seen was an already dead boyi. Or maybe drugged boy, who knows.

I know not all agree but Mel G is bad news. None of these are fully truthful, not Mel G, not Mel P and not Zulema. I watched HOURS of Mel G in police interviews, her ones with Nate, and of course we all know of her recording when she called Chad and Lori. They knew exactly what was up and she knew they knew imo.

What I am saying is Chad WAS there although they were vague and a bit whatever about that in some interviews or not quite sure, no? BUt then here was this in one. DAvid was never interviewed by LE etc. that we have had provided like Mel G was. HE77 Mel G was in the police station with Lori while Charles was alive and Tylee was there too.

I'm wandering. I don't know how to find it but somewhere it was said that Chad took JJ up to his bedroom. She even did as she does, watch her she has patterns and ways, a bit of a hmmm, not that I think about it and recall (some such, sure I don't have it perfect), he was gone awhile... It was almost like this just came back to her where it had not in other interviews. IF I recall it correctly.

And I guess a bit of a sideways move on this subject again, Prior is making it where Chad basically was never there, not there, etc. and that's not true. Or I don't thing it is. I am not saying he was there the whole time but yes, he was. Heck when they say he wasn't he could have been but in Alex's apartment with Alex and JJ. Who knows. Yet of course the problem is all comes from players in this all. What is a lie and what is the truth.

Then watching Linda hit exactly what I think of Chad, Chad would have loved to kill these kids and still would get off on it. That is how I see him, and I needed to hear someone who sees it too. She was not asking of what I am here with the up to bed thing but of Chad overall. I also see Chad and believe he took every bit of delight in killing his wife and telling her whatever he did, looking into her eyes showing the true evil he is to her and these were her last moments was realizing who and WHAT KIND OF THING he truly is.

So lol I am bit here and there in this tired after midnight post but all relates to Chad so not really.



My best guess is this was in an interview with LE, by Mel G, GIlbert? Of course Nate had a second part with her that was held back for a time and that's a possibility too but I think it came far later. When all the dumps came of PD recorded interviews of Summer, Zulema, Mel G and so on. Or was it Rexburg...
 
GrandmaBear said:
Alex took JJ to his apartment or back from or both, something on that order, that is next door not upstairs. Chad took him upstairs. I'm really sorry I cant' recall where this comes from but I am pretty positive it was Mel G, I simply can't recall in what interview, etc. And I'm left with the impression ever since from then that this was earlier and Chad took him up, took some time and was alone with him. And it was later Alex was seen with a sleeping JJ. I dont' always recall where what came from how long after, but I recall what I got from it and thought from it if significant to me and put together with other facts.

It is such that it made me think perhaps Chad killed him then and what was seen as a sleeping JJ (and let's remember that comes from Mel and DAvid and their facts ton't match perfectly or times and who was where when, etc.) what they may have seen was an already dead boyi. Or maybe drugged boy, who knows.

I know not all agree but Mel G is bad news. None of these are fully truthful, not Mel G, not Mel P and not Zulema. I watched HOURS of Mel G in police interviews, her ones with Nate, and of course we all know of her recording when she called Chad and Lori. They knew exactly what was up and she knew they knew imo.

What I am saying is Chad WAS there although they were vague and a bit whatever about that in some interviews or not quite sure, no? BUt then here was this in one. DAvid was never interviewed by LE etc. that we have had provided like Mel G was. HE77 Mel G was in the police station with Lori while Charles was alive and Tylee was there too.

I'm wandering. I don't know how to find it but somewhere it was said that Chad took JJ up to his bedroom. She even did as she does, watch her she has patterns and ways, a bit of a hmmm, not that I think about it and recall (some such, sure I don't have it perfect), he was gone awhile... It was almost like this just came back to her where it had not in other interviews. IF I recall it correctly.

And I guess a bit of a sideways move on this subject again, Prior is making it where Chad basically was never there, not there, etc. and that's not true. Or I don't thing it is. I am not saying he was there the whole time but yes, he was. Heck when they say he wasn't he could have been but in Alex's apartment with Alex and JJ. Who knows. Yet of course the problem is all comes from players in this all. What is a lie and what is the truth.

Then watching Linda hit exactly what I think of Chad, Chad would have loved to kill these kids and still would get off on it. That is how I see him, and I needed to hear someone who sees it too. She was not asking of what I am here with the up to bed thing but of Chad overall. I also see Chad and believe he took every bit of delight in killing his wife and telling her whatever he did, looking into her eyes showing the true evil he is to her and these were her last moments was realizing who and WHAT KIND OF THING he truly is.

So lol I am bit here and there in this tired after midnight post but all relates to Chad so not really.



My best guess is this was in an interview with LE, by Mel G, GIlbert? Of course Nate had a second part with her that was held back for a time and that's a possibility too but I think it came far later. When all the dumps came of PD recorded interviews of Summer, Zulema, Mel G and so on. Or was it Rexburg...
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I remember Chad taking JJ to bed but also remember Alex carrying him sleeping to his own apartment as well.

Also regarding Tammy's death, why was Alex at the church a couple of miles away the evening of Tammy's death? I think he must have walked to Chad's or Chad picked him up and they killed her together. Maybe even one holding her down and one putting the pillow over her head. I also seem to remember them saying rigor mortis had set in and her blood was pooling when the coroner attended after Chad called her death in.

Hopefully we will hear the exact evidence about this again.
 
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Kimster said:
9:45 a.m. After Chad took JJ upstairs, he came downstairs and Melanie asked Chad why his neck was so red. Chad responded that JJ had scratched his neck.


9:43 a.m. Melanie says she did not notice any changes in JJ and he appeared to be a typical 7-year-old autistic kid. Melanie has experience with autistic children and she says his behavior was normal. She never observed him climbing on counters but one day he was upset and Chad took him upstairs.


9:42 a.m. Lori told Melanie JJ’s behavior was more difficult and he would say things like “I love Satan.” JJ would climb up on the fridge on top of the cabinets and was acting aggressively. “Lori tried to explain how he was changing into a more negative type of demeanor.”
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Here's the Chad taking JJ upstairs narrative!
 
Kimster said:
I don't remember reading that Chad ever took JJ upstairs. I'd love to know more about it if someone comes across that information.
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I haven't caught up yet but saw a few when landed. Lol, it was you who posed i back when, looks like maybe trial tweets? I haven't actually got to look at it or read it yet just saw that it was ound. Honestly I think I heard it somewhere else like an interview first but could be wrong. But THERE it is.
 
RoundPeg said:
He didn't. Alex did. Alex had taken JJ to his apartment and brought him back (supposedly asleep) and took him upstairs. I'm of half a mind that JJ was not asleep, but deceased.
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and I think too he may have been deceased and Mel and DAvid knew it but I also think Chad may have been the one to do it and again seeing now the info has been found. when I said BEliee me just like that photo of them all I only say i'm positive when I am. I had forgotten about the scratches and can't believe I did but the minute I read that, it was like YES that's it. the entire truth has not been shared here by any of them and never will be and may never even be known. that's my opinion.

the Mels never wanted to turn on either of them for example and both did ONLY to the point they had to buy no further. Again imo.

Regardless of who did it, I took have often felt JJ was already deceased when Alex had him. and that makes some other things lies. I saw too Tresir was talking of David's dream and Mel's want of a blessing... There is so much from that weekend that is b.s. with some basis but not the truth. I don't think David had any DREAM. The dream is the cover for what they saw and I bet he did want a blessing.

I think Chad killed JJ and I think he took pleasure in it. And I do think Alex likely took him from there and both left to bury and possibly all. But who knows...As Linda said and is a horrible thought but who hasn't had it, there is no reason to duct tape all things they did on JJ if already dead.

I don't believe we know the half of this bunch but I think LE has a clearer picture but only so much is deemed fit for public consumption and they have to center on the key leaders but every single one knows more. Imo. And was part of MORE.

It's worse than known and what is known is bad and awful and horrible.

Kind of jumping off of course in my first or second post here as I do at end of a long day but go back to what I also said about this is it was also evidence Chad WAS there that weekend. This is ignored and Prior claims otherwise in his opeining and so on. It is largely how I recalled this because I knew there was some reason and more than one (there's more from Mel and David that he was off and on or for a bit...). Heck they met him to view LAND too. However, I'm not even sure Mel G meant to place him there but slipped at a point OR more so, she gave which is what she did always, what she knew may land her in sh*t if something proved her lying . They are good, don't get me wrong, these Mel's at lying, much like Lori, perhaps better actually.

And again it is just my opinion.

But yes, I hadn't brought back to mind the scratches. If II had recalled that it may have triggered a thought in everyone.

Anyhow not trying to be right or anything like that and I had forgotten about this with Chad and that picture in the kitchen of all of them at Lori's. I couldn't recall every detail but reading things and this case heating up and more talk on it here reminded me. I dont' say such and that I am positive unless I am. I can't always recall all details but clearly none of us can or even recall such.

If I am not sure I will say I think or imo or I am not positive but think I heard or recall but could be wrong.

On the picture and on Chad taking JJ upstairs I was positive and I was positive it was not some online rumor but came from someone there, in an interview or some such.

And both are true and exist and have been found. Kudors to you all. I see you find the Chad upstairs thing. Now I have to go look back at all that if I dare go without another nights sleep of more than a couple hours. Have an earlier start tomorrow. and the two after.

Trial back on tomorrow, I won't be able to go watch but let's see justice.

And I hope and am pretty sure you know by now I kind of jumped off here in just responding to the first couple of poss I do when I get thome to give all my thoughts and it's general opinion and not to the poster necessary as I wander elsewhere.

What do you think of the chance Chad killed him when upstairs? Every single thing we know comes from the participants, the group or ones present that weekend.... As to what day, who, where, who knew, who did it, who participated, what really went on in the apartment/s that weekend etc. And I don't assume what comes from those needing to save their own arse Is necessarily true...
 
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I remember Chad taking JJ to bed but also remember Alex carrying him sleeping to his own apartment as well.

Also regarding Tammy's death, why was Alex at the church a couple of miles away the evening of Tammy's death? I think he must have walked to Chad's or Chad picked him up and they killed her together. Maybe even one holding her down and one putting the pillow over her head. I also seem to remember them saying rigor mortis had set in and her blood was pooling when the coroner attended after Chad called her death in.

Hopefully we will hear the exact evidence about this again.
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THANK you. I am going backwards here but saw this earlier and then went back up to read in order and before I saw it was found, etc.

I feel sometimes people think I have lost it or made something up or it comes from SM crap which I don't look at. I KNEW Chad took him upstairs per someone there and I said likely Mel G as my best guess and not due to some rumor. Anywho at least you RECALLED it lol.

I have a few thoughts about Alex being nearby. For one, there is also back when if I recall that Lori had gotten rid of Charles, her spouse but Chad had not followed through on Tammy and then she was p*ssed at him as he went out of town didn't he to her sister's or to a birthday party or some such. AND of course she was to die in a car accident probably (different trip, Tammy alone) to visit her mom and sister and no car accident. So Chad had not followed through on his role yet as she had and I think that was for each to kill their spouses. So one thought I have is that Alex was there to verify Chad was truly home, verify Tammy was dead or some such. Other thoughts are yes he helped. OR if something WENT WRONG maybe they had an alternate plan instead of Chad claiming natural causes, like if she fought back, a kid walked in or heard something, TAmmy escaped, well Alex was nearby. I could go on with thoughts on this. Maybe it was never intended to be reported but she was going to disappear (be buried too) but things went well Chad thought where he overpowered, she did not get away and go with Plan A instead of Plan B or C. I mean first no car accident happened, the Alex missed with the "paintball" gun...

Again I have other scenarios and thoughts but I think most simply he was staged nearby in case of anything going wrong. A quick call and he could be there. Or move to help find Tammy. Etc. OR to ensure for Lori.
 
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YES. There ist is. I didn't recall the scratches and should have as that was such a big part of why I thought what really went on up there when Chad was alone with JJ... That was a huge part but it took what to even trigger me to recall he did take him up. If I had a life or time with more thought and discussion that would have likely come too. also the part where it says JJ was upset so Chad took him upstairs. I recalled my conclusion that Chad was punishing or abusing him upstairs OR killing him and it came from these other details I hadn't yet recalled,, and all her comments on it. AND the scratches.

I do NOT though think where this first came out was at trial. I think it was in some LE interview and not her first if I recall. That I could be right or wong on, I will say when not positive. When I am though, I am.

And then now go watch Linda with his Duper's every time HE hears how these kids remains were found and how he gets off on the details, SERIOUSLY, and I dont' think Alex was necessarily the actual killer with these two. And Linda did not convince me of that it only reminded me that others have the opinion I have of Chad. That too I had forgotten. I see him as worse than Lori however I always feel a need to explain that I don't mean BOTH ARE JUST AS BAD with their own ways, parts and plans. He though is BEYOND. this is a REALLY REALLY bad person and he believes not a word of the religious crap he tells all the others.

Imagine the power in someone as sick as he's head he'd feel of getting his blonde aging gf to allow him to lablel her kids dark and see to it they are killed and she just oh yes, they are and you are my prince and a god and you can give me eternal life and I'm a goddess and you worship me and I have power lots now too. I'm also not saying she was not fully aware, part of and knew exacty what she was doing but he is just a level of something else... Who shows emotion even if selfish and shallow ones and who is a fake evil stone cold unemotional stone and toad until that slight little smirk comes on with details LE and jurors never wanted to see or hear or can ever forget?

Yeah I a rambling and jumping off another post. Sorry. He was THE guy to all of his bunch. Deferred to, followed, asked for blessings from. I hope prosecution shows this and shows it well.
 
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I just went back to check on some stuff too. This was a really weird evening with David having a nightmare and Mel wanting Chad to give him a blessing during the night. Link to where this was discussed before.

Post in thread 'JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori GUILTY & Chad Daybell for murder' JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori GUILTY & Chad Daybell for murder
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I don't believe he had a nightmare. This was the explanation as to what they were part of or witnessed or even that he was maybe tried to be convinced of. Did she not also knock on Lori's door and on one answered and texted, etc.? ALSO she throughout at everything when David was a long of course they never slept together or shared a room. It was some time but she finally admitted that was not true. whether they are nutty break off evil LDS or not, all or almost all were active members of church and temple and this was not okay and they still lied about doing all the things that would have them excommunicated. Like Alex was.
 
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Didn't he also tell Tammy's sister that Lori was an "empty nester" ?
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He said that to someone. I am not sure if it was Tammy's sister or that church lady or advisor or whatever she was, I think the same one he asked them for money or to mortgage their own home to free Lori and raise bond... Here I am NOT POSITIVE and am saying so.

This too imo says a lot about Chad, his asking others in the LDS Faith to give money to get his new gf out of jail and they actually I believe considered it the way it sounded AND it also shows he knew how to play people of his own faith (of which I believe he has none) and what they would do to be good people. WHO would finance a woman accused of disappearing or killing her kids, etc. and all that was coming about about Lori after this wife died someone they knew as a devout parishioner?

He is evil. He is beyond SK-ish. He is evil to the CORE of his being. IMHO.
 
Funny he wasn't doing better though as I mean he knew how to do it all, use a dead grandma to get Tammy to toe the line, his kids iprobably same, in short order had Lori just fine with killing all she knew who were problems ALTHOUGH that probably wasn't a big leap for Lori who probably was past resentment and murderous in her own right for anyone that dared cross her.

His entire appearance imo in all these court hearings and even when Nate followed them in Hawaii has him playing the dumb cuckold. And I don't think he's very good at it or with his Duper's Delight.

WAtching Linda a bit the last week has been quite a joy honestly. She will get right there and say it. Been awhile. Her takes are always hers.

Anyhow I've got a really messed up week already and am not going to get more than three hours maybe four if I go now yet again of sleep but wanted to catch up here and saved it for last and tried to catch up with other threads first.

SOrry I don't have the time to go find and confirm what I recalled but so APPRECIATE all who did. It is fact.

And I think Chad was hands on with both kids. ANd I think maybe more were present and know than one thinks, or participated. I have other reasons for those thoughts but I will leave them.
 
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