JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell GUILTY

Tresir · Tuesday at 2:27 PM

GrandmaBear said:
That's an interesting thought, never would have crossed my mind. Did someone suggest that might happen or just a thought? She seems totally competent to me, and I hate to compliment her but she's pretty quick thinking, I think Keith said something like too in one of his interviews, quick thinking, on her feet, something like that. She wasn't perfect with her words a couple of times but it seemed clear to me that's because she is feeling pressured because most of the time even though she said she hadn't even been able to read like all the State's recent filings (or something like that) she generally came up with responses to the judge pretty quickly and well, despite claiming not to be up on a few things yet, no time to read, etc.

have you watched it, I don't want to go on to you if you have but if not, in both the last two hearings there's not a thing about her that seems as if she's got any issues, mental I mean. She certainly doesn't have the years of law school the judge has, or the P has, but for a "civilian", she's not doing the worst job, better than I or many of us maybe could. I recall listening to her with Colby and I'm listening to her now (never thought I could take it again) and she's fine. All I see is someone who was taught or believes certain things and she's not some experienced lawyer.

I know if she did have such a thing happen, I likely would not buy it.

Are you thinking she intends to OR that she really could go off the rails?

I can say this much, in the other trial, that stops the speedy trial thing, or at least it does when it is the D or her having to go in to be restored to competency.

She is bent on the speedy trial thing but at the same time won't waive it to have time to get on top of things. It worked for her in a way before and I think she knew then and knows now that game, but it's not working for her. I wonder whoever advised her of such or it's something she learned elsewhere (meaning like at home)...

I thought he a bit naive for her age as far as thinking her dad, mom and Summer can offer anything to get her out of this (on the stand i mean). I do think she intends or hoped to show that Charles was the bad one, her dad advised on life insurance, etc., etc. The judge keeps saying how testimony has to be relevant. I will admit I've leanred some legal stuff in watching it or at least for AZ, etc. and I consider myself rightly or wrongly to know a bit more than the average bear just because I've worked around such more than once in life but they also change things on us without the public ever knowing so it's hard to know if one is still right or wrong on it.

Anyhow, it's an interesting thought. If she goes off the rails, again for me I wouldn't buy it, but she'd be kind of starting over too and I don't think she wants that but hard to say. I guess she'd not totally start over and would buy some time though...

Hmm. Going to stop. Before I go sideways. Just got back up. Hoping to give this one some thought honestly when more awake. I honestly think in ID they used the hospitalization, I think Means was still her atty both times, it was twice wasnt it?

One bit of a sideways thing--not entirely--does anyone recall the claims the church's atty managed to reach her in the hospital, call and so on? And some other things...

I heard that bit about the church's attorney and didn't really understand what they meant? Was this when she was in the hospital for an evaluation? Was that in Az or Idaho?

GrandmaBear · Tuesday at 3:31 PM

Tresir said:
Right i an thinking of how she will defend herself. The first thing i remember is that Charles came in to pick up JJ and took him and put him in his car. Then he realised he had left his phone on the counter top and went back in to retrieve it. A shouting match started right outside Tylee's room and Tylee cane out of her room with a baseball bat which Charles took off her. Lori told Tylee to go and sit with JJ in the car. Then Alex came out and got in an argument with Charles, who hit him on the back of the head with the baseball bat. Alex went and got his gun and came back and shot him. Lori went out to drive JJ and Tylee for breakfast and school and left Alex to call 911. LE arrived and Alex is sitting on the kerb at one point when Loree and Tylee then return. Important points will be how long after they left was LE called and how many shots were fired that killed Charles.

I think the P said she is sticking with self defense or did the P say they haven't gotten her defense claim yet? I'm not sure any longer. But then she keeps talking of how they can't show a conspiracy and it sounds like she is going to try to fight that part. She IS out of her depth but I don't disagree she's not doing the worst job

As to what happened, we have to keep in mind all the story came from like her, Alex and Tylee. Never in this lifetime would I blame Tylee for a single thing, she is a victim, but I do think Lori told her what to say on the trip to school with JJ.

I don't know what you think but of course this was all planned imo and laid out. It's hard to judge what's truth but I do believe she was very upset with Charles and Adam talking for one, then there was the stuff about Charles trying to reach Tammy and I think Lori WANTED his phone of course. She wants it now for that matter, it was her biggest request if she coudln't get all she asked for re evidence.

Tylee was either told Charles was bad and going to hurt them or it was made so that she did wake up to it, not sure with that part, likely never will be. I think as well as killing him getting that phone was very important to her. I think the entire part about Charles leaving it may be false and it's just as likely he was attacked for it as part of it all but intent was also to kill him. She wants that phone badly and wants her own expert or whatever to do their own diagnostics instead of trusting the State's... I think perhaps after she had hold of it she deleted a lot but they recovered it, no idea.

Anyhow, I think they fully planned and intended to get his phone and see him dead for the life insurance. I do allow for she may have even played Alex somewhat just as she did with the Joe thing as to Charles being a threat to her and the kids?

Not sure how it went down but I don't buy her/their version at all... I don't recall if there's a bit of proof like neighbor or security cam that Charles even went back in or that that's how it went down.

Didn't she also take HIS vehicle to drop JJ off, etc.? Or am I recalling wrong?

I've kind of knocked Gilbert but I guess at least they did get some of the cam footage with Burger King at some point and a few other things.

You know how I kind of hit the end of my rope with it a few days ago? There were a few things that played in. And they just piled on. The call of Charles with the life insurance co. was one of course. I dont put much store in gossip from chats or comments and don't repeat them and I'm not going to but I also was seeing some comments about Adam who has portrayed himself as the only family member who believed Charles, and while I have no way of knowing if they were true, they got to me as they seemed to fit... I'll leave that there as I don't know if they were true or not and then while I had previously liked her the cousin comes up with a video and it's like what is it with this family, I mean why does it seem most are trying to make off of it.... It just compiled on, all of it, not sure if the talk of the brother either was true or not but more than one person was saying it...

I don't know that we will ever know but we are sure learning some new things re the murder of Charles. And perhaps they have much more, who knows. The fact that a friend last saw him and advised him to tell Lori she was not the beneficiary any longer, wow... I don't think we knew that unless I forgot.

She doesn't want the detective I believe it is being a trajectory expert if you recall. She was making a deal of that in this hearing...

On one hand I think she has played maybe some dumb cops her whole life but on the other hand I think now that she's been caught I think she is a bit paranoid of such or she's putting on that anti govt/LE etc. act anyhow. Who knows with her. Maybe she's just bored and knows it's her last hurrah to make some waves. Man i started this probably an hour ago and coudln't finish until now. These are not good days. Oh and it's sn*wing &&%%*(($F####!!

GrandmaBear · Tuesday at 3:51 PM

Tresir said:
I heard that bit about the church's attorney and didn't really understand what they meant? Was this when she was in the hospital for an evaluation? Was that in Az or Idaho?

Yeah, the church covered itself imo or at least that's what some were saying back when. She was the one wanting to call them for a witness or some such no or was that also a State witness. i still haven't got back to finishing it either. I know back when there was talk and darned if I recall if it came up at trial or from Means or who but supposedly they were making contact with her or vice versa when she was in the hospital for the mental competency. I recall having a fit as that's wthat I do lol that she was having any calls and such because she should have still bee in custody only in a ward instead of a jail and we've been learning in the last few years since they all get tablets in prison even and can call as much as they want but I THINK they called her. I wish I cold recall it all. And it seemed Means was able to see her and talk to her too, I recall that.

But why she'd be calling them for this trial I have no idea. Maybe more claims of prosecutorial misconduct, seems to be where a lot of her aim is. Sorry I'm unclear on if the State talked to the attorney either, there's so much packed in this hearing and i don't know what this pred is doing to me other than NOT helping so my apologies. And then the case has just had so darned much through the years, however, I do recall that, at the hospital and it just wasn't something widely known but I'm sure I talked of it here at the time. You know it's just how too like in the beginning there were things about Julie Rowe and Jason Leu and others and the podcasts and all sorts of things, but it all got for lack of a better term kidn of hushed out fairly quickly, the church too.

I used to watch someone back then that was LDS for one thing who isn't on these days.

I'm not sure what she's up to, I believe it was her attempt for a witness right? I'd go back the hearing up but not even done with it yet and would not know what part so just asking for your memory on that?

Tresir · Tuesday at 4:03 PM

GrandmaBear said:
I think the P said she is sticking with self defense or did the P say they haven't gotten her defense claim yet? I'm not sure any longer. But then she keeps talking of how they can't show a conspiracy and it sounds like she is going to try to fight that part. She IS out of her depth but I don't disagree she's not doing the worst job

As to what happened, we have to keep in mind all the story came from like her, Alex and Tylee. Never in this lifetime would I blame Tylee for a single thing, she is a victim, but I do think Lori told her what to say on the trip to school with JJ.

I don't know what you think but of course this was all planned imo and laid out. It's hard to judge what's truth but I do believe she was very upset with Charles and Adam talking for one, then there was the stuff about Charles trying to reach Tammy and I think Lori WANTED his phone of course. She wants it now for that matter, it was her biggest request if she coudln't get all she asked for re evidence.

Tylee was either told Charles was bad and going to hurt them or it was made so that she did wake up to it, not sure with that part, likely never will be. I think as well as killing him getting that phone was very important to her. I think the entire part about Charles leaving it may be false and it's just as likely he was attacked for it as part of it all but intent was also to kill him. She wants that phone badly and wants her own expert or whatever to do their own diagnostics instead of trusting the State's... I think perhaps after she had hold of it she deleted a lot but they recovered it, no idea.

Anyhow, I think they fully planned and intended to get his phone and see him dead for the life insurance. I do allow for she may have even played Alex somewhat just as she did with the Joe thing as to Charles being a threat to her and the kids?

Not sure how it went down but I don't buy her/their version at all... I don't recall if there's a bit of proof like neighbor or security cam that Charles even went back in or that that's how it went down.

Didn't she also take HIS vehicle to drop JJ off, etc.? Or am I recalling wrong?

I've kind of knocked Gilbert but I guess at least they did get some of the cam footage with Burger King at some point and a few other things.

You know how I kind of hit the end of my rope with it a few days ago? There were a few things that played in. And they just piled on. The call of Charles with the life insurance co. was one of course. I dont put much store in gossip from chats or comments and don't repeat them and I'm not going to but I also was seeing some comments about Adam who has portrayed himself as the only family member who believed Charles, and while I have no way of knowing if they were true, they got to me as they seemed to fit... I'll leave that there as I don't know if they were true or not and then while I had previously liked her the cousin comes up with a video and it's like what is it with this family, I mean why does it seem most are trying to make off of it.... It just compiled on, all of it, not sure if the talk of the brother either was true or not but more than one person was saying it...

I don't know that we will ever know but we are sure learning some new things re the murder of Charles. And perhaps they have much more, who knows. The fact that a friend last saw him and advised him to tell Lori she was not the beneficiary any longer, wow... I don't think we knew that unless I forgot.

She doesn't want the detective I believe it is being a trajectory expert if you recall. She was making a deal of that in this hearing...

On one hand I think she has played maybe some dumb cops her whole life but on the other hand I think now that she's been caught I think she is a bit paranoid of such or she's putting on that anti govt/LE etc. act anyhow. Who knows with her. Maybe she's just bored and knows it's her last hurrah to make some waves. Man i started this probably an hour ago and coudln't finish until now. These are not good days. Oh and it's sn*wing &&%%*(($F####!!

Yes that's why she took Charles' car because JJ was already strapped in it with Tylee in it too. There will also be the statements they all gave at the police station, including Alex. Although they are all dead, will she be able to rely on those statements?

You asked about our weather the other day and we are actually having pretty nice sunny weather here now, touch wood. Sorry you are still having cold and snowy stuff.

Tresir · Tuesday at 4:11 PM

I seem to remember they said that she couldn't use the statements of Tylee and Alex. Do you remember the judge ruling on that? So whose word are the court going to accept, as out of five people, Lori is the only one left alive?

GrandmaBear · Tuesday at 4:21 PM

Tresir said:
Right I am thinking of how she will defend herself. The first thing i remember is that Charles came in to pick up JJ and took him and put him in his car. Then he realised he had left his phone on the counter top and went back in to retrieve it. A shouting match started right outside Tylee's room and Tylee came out of her room with a baseball bat which Charles took off her. Lori told Tylee to go and sit with JJ in the car. Then Alex came out and got in an argument with Charles, who hit him on the back of the head with the baseball bat. Alex went and got his gun and came back and shot him. Lori went out to drive JJ and Tylee for breakfast and school and left Alex to call 911. LE arrived and Alex is sitting on the kerb at one point when Loree and Tylee then return. Important points will be how long after they left was LE called and how many shots were fired that killed Charles.

I am also wondering if her Dad is helping or coaching her even,

I missed the dad part on this and just noticed it. Not my day sorry.

Yeah I was surprised to hear him brought up. He is the one they keep out I'd say the most here and lots of talk of him like about other relatives back when and such. You know I was getting to the point of almost being okay with Summer and Janice after I'd had not a very high opinion for reasons most of us had, but they did come through sort of at trial, probably Summer more so. I even can understand famly standing by their adult child, sibling, etc. to a point, was just talking in a post to Regina about that earlier but if he or the are helping her with trying to do this or dad, then my opinion of them is low again. I've listened to a LOT from various relatives and things over the years. I did get to a point however where I thought MAYBE Lori's family was being judged a bit too harshly or I was and maybe some wasn't total truth but I've kind of reverted now again.

She at least seems to think they can help her in this one. In the hearing before this one the P was saying they all seem to be character witnesses or no idea what had to offer, not much to offer, judge seems to say same although Lori said in this hearing dad could testify about their life insurance policies, etc.... Judge seemed to agree right but did say her dad POSSIBLy maybe then could have something relevant and he didn't preclude or deny totally but she's late on her sh*t, such a mess. Anyhow, unless her dad has some NOT forged letter or document, etc. I can't imagine much he'd be able to say would be anything but hearsay. Or any of them. I suspect Summer and her mom are telling her of things read online, that's my thought anyhow, still it's not really relevant. Each may have been contacted by the P and we know there were interviews by was it Chandler, can't recall, with the two women but again?? She can put in the recorded interview. This is where I don't feel she knows entirely what she is doing.

To be honest I do't think she has sh*t and the three family members are the only ones who she maybe is back to where she can play them or manipulate them because what else can she do? Or use who? Did the Mels even come up yet in this one? I don't think so in what I've seen so far. I wonder if niece Mel keeps any contact... She should be charged imo but not sure if not enough or made deal there, etc...

Well who knows. I think a lot of what she hopes to do is going to be shut down and rightly so imo but we know she will spend time in trial arguing it and the judge will try to be fair. It's why I don't know that I think she's representing herself that well or not. It's a mix. Imo.

I should go back and finish that before I don't. Incapable I guess of many short answers today even though hurts to type. Not a great day. I am staying on point I think a little better or at lease on the cases, people, etc. Trying to anyhow.

GrandmaBear · Tuesday at 4:33 PM

Tresir said:
Yes that's why she took Charles' car because JJ was already strapped in it with Tylee in it too. There will also be the statements they all gave at the police station, including Alex. Although they are all dead, will she be able to rely on those statements?

You asked about our weather the other day and we are actually having pretty nice sunny weather here now, touch wood. Sorry you are still having cold and snowy stuff.

Good question. Not sure. The dead can't testify or argue against what is said so I know often it's a thing but not sure if it is actually a sworn statement or LE interview and so on. We will probably get educated on that too lol.

Tylee supposedly went back in for Lori's purse, to me that's just awful and what I mean is if things were so bad and you didn't know you'd not send your kid in you'd protect them and go yourself. I think also if I recall he was parked behind her vehicle or the claim was something like that and yes, JJ.

Oh it's yes, rotten weather and not helping. I think I saw a glimpse of sun the other day and it was gone. Kind of why I've been asking people to is wondering if maybe there are fires or something, not up on everything, it is just so gray, dark. It's not like black but it feels like it doesn't even really get daylight for several days now. Not like it is at like 3 a.m. where of course it's pitch black but even for having sn*w, it's just really dreary. I don't know, maybe it's me with that med, and pain, and all just seems worse. I'm glad yours are sunny and here we say knock on wood, at least I do lol, so there's a difference in our lingo for ya. I have to tell my daughters to do it, knock on wood, I guess they aren't as superstitious as me lol.

Anyhow, thanks for confirming it was Charles' vehicle. See to me imo JJ being in it was probably part of the plan... IF even true. She could probably control or play Tylee somewhat but JJ would be another story.

GrandmaBear · Tuesday at 4:35 PM

Tresir said:
I seem to remember they said that she couldn't use the statements of Tylee and Alex. Do you remember the judge ruling on that? So whose word are the court going to accept, as out of five people, Lori is the only one left alive?

Oh forgive me. Yes because she's convicted of killing them. So it doesn't cover all dead people imo. P said she can't have her cake and eat it too (my term), she wants such out in one trial, convicted of killing them, but now she wants to use their statements to help her, etc. Something on that order. Judge agreed.

It was in the previous hearing pretty sure. And yes, was ruled on. I am NOT with it I guess. Sorry.

GrandmaBear · Tuesday at 4:41 PM

Tresir said:
I seem to remember they said that she couldn't use the statements of Tylee and Alex. Do you remember the judge ruling on that? So whose word are the court going to accept, as out of five people, Lori is the only one left alive?

Oh and not sure on Alex, but she can't with anything from the kids. I do think though there is also something about since the dead can't testify, might play into Alex, not sure that one was ruled on. Both hearings have had a ton addressed in them. My memory worries me these days, just hoping it's because of too much sometimes. I'm also I guess not reading close enough and need better light and new glasses. Not a joke lol, for real.

GrandmaBear · Tuesday at 5:57 PM

Okay, just got back to it after all day. Right off judge tells her he doesn't know how else to explain it to her, told her 5 different times now... Oh my. I thought he'd be the best at getting through this but his patience is being tried by her. Wow, what a hearing... She is far from stupid but he can't get it through her head her own atty was using the system incorrectly. She's definitely playing imo...I'm not watching another thing on this until I finish this.

And he's not being mean, he has given her so many breaks imo... She is playing dumb now. And it really doesn't fly for her any longer imo. I hope he just holds his cool and has a really good outlet at night and on weekends...

GrandmaBear · Tuesday at 6:23 PM

Oh mannnnnn... Chucklingi out loud again. I mean I'm sorry for the judge as he is getting a bit frustrated now and she tried again and he said he was not going to give her legal advice and ntold her flat out... Oh my goodness. He knows what she's up to imo a lot of the time but man she keeps trying all sorts of things...

I mean it's not funny but it is. At least I'm back to that. I'm going to finish this but I don't know if I or the judge or anyone can take an entire trial of this. I am bothered he is almost losing his cool when I thought he was so strong as to not to but on the other hand, she deserves it and is intentionally pushing imo. And she's also directly almost everything at the P. I suppose push either over the edge and there's big mistrial or appeal stuff.

We area back to prosecutorial misconduct. With any other defendant I might be wondering. And to be fair, she is alleging they couldn't get anything from Gilbert or Chandler PDs because P interfered somehow, judge doesn't seem to fully know about this one meaning whether P did this or not, he is up on what it means, that they did get it, etc but of course she wanted her own and on and on. She's trying to push his buttons. Imo. HE almost "snapped" when he said he wasn't going to advise her. That's as close as I've seen him in doing that. And I don't blame him. They can't ADVISE, I'm positive on that. ANd it is SHE who decided on speedy and decided on representing self. She is alternately not this smart and then that dumb the next. I think this worked for hekr probably her entire life and right now I can't imagine what the husbands dealt with in her control and attempted button pushing. Wow.

Did I say I figure I may as well finish this out so anyone not watching if not sick of my post will get most of what's going on here, but it is worth watching. Man. Not because of her, care less about her... Man I don't even want to type, hurts, but listening and feel it should be shared. Well I've needed the chuckles, I hope it gives a few more although I do not want the judge to lose it, he deserves the judge award of the century to date imo.

GrandmaBear · Tuesday at 6:29 PM

It goes to show how things can be used and turned in our system. It needs to get up to date. She is no atty but she's try to do the very things that will result in a mistrial or win an appeal imo.

Speedy trial is a constitutional right I think isn't it? She's doing all the things. I don't know if her dad taught her or she advanced past her dad and is now teaching him. It is somewhat typical jailhouse lawyer stuff though a lot of it. Not all, she's also got to do her research try to explain her filings, etc. and acknowledge and argue the P's filings. It's kind of a blend... Imho.

I hope it provides another chuckle or two but I'm serious, I hope they all have outlets at home lol. I mean like screaming in the back pasture or some good Scotch, something.

GrandmaBear · Tuesday at 7:37 PM

Yeah I think Tresir already covered this but did everyone know about rack belts before now? I thought in the other hearing about whether she thinks she had some vision about escaping (my words, she said nothing such), I expected the street clothing request and so on. that was 2 hearings back and sheriff's dept responded and filed too as they have a duty to ensure defendants are not fleeing, attacking, etc. Again those are my words. Not anyone else's.

So the hearing ended with the Nate thing again which I had already seen but also pretty interesting, then the State asked about seating for family and so on. It covered I think Lori asked about family being sequestered or allowed til testifying. We know she'd keep Kay out if she could or that would be typical, maybe wondering about her family, no idea. Then Lori asks about whether deputies had to be stationed by doors, if she had to wear the belt, etc. or if she did why there had to be deputies. I think judge pretty much done with any humor but he said that all up to sheriff's department but yes she was going to wear the belt as jurors don't see it, no leg shackles though and SD can station wherever they feel necessary... My paraphrasing. I was half kidding when she did this motion the other hearing back and where I started here but this was interesting in that I'm not kidding any longer, was she hoping to escape or is she just trying to give a big story about her asking about deputies and so on and the need for them...?

Anyhow even Nate said in a show he never heard of a rack belt. I never had either.

I have less than a minute left but think it is wrapped up. So for anyone this is bothering, think I'm done but I know I count on others a lot, heck some I could have hardly followed but for people doing the daily reporting tweets and such and so just really trying to inform any that can't get to it. I'm pretty sure I'm not going to get to all as this gets underway either. I had to hold off today even chancing seeing another headline as wanted to finish this and day has been hard so took awhile with delays.

Anyhow I'd only add that this judge was very much not as even by the end of this hearing as he has been in all I've seen. I don't mean even as to fair, I mean she a has I think more than tried the patience. Then she is late with all her filings and then dumps a sh*tload of them at the last minute...

Okay. I'll leave it summed up there. Enough from me on a hearing that is probably old news already. Now I guess i can see on refresh all the new stuff rolling in but probably going to try to ignore for today. I was though just trying to recap for all if didn't watch.

GrandmaBear · Wednesday at 2:20 AM

Short like 12 minutes. I honestly don't know what I think of all this going on. I mean ID might be done with the cases but I don't know if I'm in agreement with this before this trial. I just don't know. What do others think? I mean it's interesting, it IS, what he has to say about her, but why chance this before trial even if a different state and case?

GrandmaBear · Wednesday at 2:24 AM

And don't get me wrong, he's got some good remarks, meaning Hermosillo, a lot about how it works, the evidence, and such and it's short.

GrandmaBear · Wednesday at 2:29 AM

It is worthwhile, he says a bit about what AZ is going through right now and some other things.

Still don't know that I agree with doing all this ahead of trial though.

GrandmaBear · Wednesday at 2:31 AM

G'nite all/morning as the case may be.

Tresir · Wednesday at 6:00 AM

GrandmaBear said:
Oh forgive me. Yes because she's convicted of killing them. So it doesn't cover all dead people imo. P said she can't have her cake and eat it too (my term), she wants such out in one trial, convicted of killing them, but now she wants to use their statements to help her, etc. Something on that order. Judge agreed.

It was in the previous hearing pretty sure. And yes, was ruled on. I am NOT with it I guess. Sorry.

She wasn't convicted of killing Alex so why wouldn't she be able to use his statement and the statements from LE too who did the interviews?

Remember she had a pool party afterwards? I wonder if they will call neighbours as witnesses?

Tresir · Wednesday at 6:02 AM

GrandmaBear said:
Short like 12 minutes. I honestly don't know what I think of all this going on. I mean ID might be done with the cases but I don't know if I'm in agreement with this before this trial. I just don't know. What do others think? I mean it's interesting, it IS, what he has to say about her, but why chance this before trial even if a different state and case?

I'll have a look but here it wouldn't be allowed, sub judice. Especially if they are talking about the Az case. But, you know, different state.

Ok yeah its not very long, 12 minutes and seems to cut off quite suddenly at the end when he says that L told them that T killed JJ. We know that was BS right as T died a couple of weeks before JJ. He mentions the Id case and how there were terabytes and terabytes of info. They had a lot to remember and going thru' the evidence with the prosecutor so they know what they would ask about at trial.

He doesn't say very much about the AZ case except that they seem to have a lot of evidence like the nonchalant video of L when she returns after dropping off JJ. He thinks that will not go down well with the jury. He mentions the jury selection and how she wants a certain type. I don't suppose we get to see jury selection, do we?

RoundPeg · Wednesday at 6:34 AM

RACC belt - remote activated custody control belt (or vest).

Sorry, I assumed spell check was getting the acronym messed up. It's what we normally call a stun belt or stun vest.

It appears the hidden leg braces (worn under clothing) won't be used along with the stun belt so Lori isn't hobbling around like an already convicted murderer as she pleads her case.

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