Child murders in Salt Lake City / Hser Ner Moo

This has been posted on quite a few forums and has not attracted any useful attention yet, but if anybody has questions about any of the evidence used to convict, please ask.

Here is a shortened version of the confession which was hidden from the public and jury

Here is a playlist with several videos on the case

Utah appears to have an unusually high number of coerced false confessions, I don't live in that area but it seems like something that should be publicized and dealt with.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

I remember Hser Ner Moo's name, but not a ton about her case. Is this playlist just about her case? Or are there other "child murders" discussed? I will put it on my list to check out when I have time.

Trust shattered: The tragic death of Hser Ner Moo

SOUTH SALT LAKE - Hser Ner Moo was not walking into the unknown when the 7-year-old gir

archive.sltrib.com

Esar Met gets life without parole for murder of Hser Ner Moo

For more than six years, through countless court hearings and hours of testimony, in the face o

archive.sltrib.com

 

[Kimster]

I've never heard about this case at all! Like SheWho, I'll check this out when time allows. Thank you for the head's up!

 

[TribalCash]

The playlist so far is just about her case, but the theme of problematic investigations, questionable evidence, etc, extends to quite a few serious cases in that area, including other child murders.

What is unusual about this case is that the confession is available, and it clearly is a false confession.

edit to add
I am neither interested nor skilled when it comes to making videos, websites etc, and my videos, websites etc reflect that.
The evidence of misconduct by police, FBI, prosecutors etc is very strong, but until somebody with both interest and skill does something then not much is likely to happen.

Another point to add
Here is another well publicized case that reeks of a similar mentality among authorities, and is almost certainly a false confession.
Renewed search for Kiplyn Davis could go on for weeks - Salt Lake Tribune
Jeppson takes plea deal; murder charges dropped

Attorney: Man convicted in Utah teen's murder has 'done all he can' to help find remains

An attorney for the man serving time in prison for the death of a Utah teen in 1995 says he has done everything he can to help find her remains. Kiplyn Davis went missing on May 2, 1995 when she was 15 years old. Timmy Brent Olsen, a former classmate of Davis', was charged in 2011 with...

kutv.com

UNITED STATES v. OLSEN (2008) | FindLaw

Case opinion for US 10th Circuit UNITED STATES v. OLSEN. Read the Court's full decision on FindLaw.

caselaw.findlaw.com

Man who refuses to say where he buried Kiplyn Davis ordered to serve full sentence

A Utah man convicted of manslaughter in the disappearance and death of Spanish Fork High classmate Kiplyn Davis in 1995 has been ordered to serve his full sentence because he has refused to help authorities find her remains.

www.deseret.com

Murder of Kiplyn Davis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In most cases like that both prosecutor and confessor are from a similar background, each playing their role.
Esar Met threw a wrench in because he was not confessing out of obedience to a local worldview, he was confessing because he understood that police/FBI in the United States are the same as authorities in Burma, and confessing was necessary because they had muscle and he did not.

In the Kiplyn Davis case there is a very clear thread which leads to the false confession.
A local authority figure with both religious and political power is 'entrusted by the public' with 'solving' the case,
Paul Warner (judge) - Wikipedia
and he does so in a way that is cosmetically okay but has nothing to do whatsoever with her disappearance or what might have happened to her.

Some more links if anybody wants to research Kiplyn Davis

Police bust Duchesne County drug operation

www.deseret.com

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

STATE v. PINDER (2005) | FindLaw

Case opinion for UT Supreme Court STATE v. PINDER. Read the Court's full decision on FindLaw.

caselaw.findlaw.com

https://www.ksl.com/article/3560556...ng-2-employees-blowing-up-bodies-loses-appeal

 

[TribalCash]

Some suggestions for the webmaster.
1) The first page that lists topics Crimes should not have full size images since a person has to scroll down a full page length to see just the first three topics.
2) Editing somebody's post to add an image is very obnoxious. The photo of Hser Ner Moo is important to have, but using the fact that you have access to other peoples' accounts to edit their posts? Really? If that isn't offensive enough, you hotlinked to a dailymail photo of the victim.

 

[Kimster]

Some suggestions for the webmaster.
1) The first page that lists topics Crimes should not have full size images since a person has to scroll down a full page length to see just the first three topics.
2) Editing somebody's post to add an image is very obnoxious. The photo of Hser Ner Moo is important to have, but using the fact that you have access to other peoples' accounts to edit their posts? Really? If that isn't offensive enough, you hotlinked to a dailymail photo of the victim.

Thank you for your feedback, however we do not engineer the software here. We purchase it "as is" from Xenforo. We don't make any profit at all and are not in the place where we can hire anyone to change the format.

 

[TribalCash]

Thank you for your feedback, however we do not engineer the software here. We purchase it "as is" from Xenforo. We don't make any profit at all and are not in the place where we can hire anyone to change the format.

It occurred to me later that it's possible that I put the photo in the top post. I'm so used to comments on this topic, on most forums, being deleted etc that I assumed the dailymail photo was added by an admin on this site.

I've been publicizing this case since 2014 and it is time to drop it until resources exist to force it.

The issue about site layout is almost certainly something that could be adjusted. You can visit 100 online forums and probably not find another one that does not have a simple list of topics, but if you think this layout is better that's fine too.

 

[RoundPeg]

It occurred to me later that it's possible that I put the photo in the top post. I'm so used to comments on this topic, on most forums, being deleted etc that I assumed the dailymail photo was added by an admin on this site.

I've been publicizing this case since 2014 and it is time to drop it until resources exist to force it.

The issue about site layout is almost certainly something that could be adjusted. You can visit 100 online forums and probably not find another one that does not have a simple list of topics, but if you think this layout is better that's fine too.

Are you specifically looking for a certain thread? There are other ways to view threads without pictures showing up.

 

[TribalCash]

Are you specifically looking for a certain thread? There are other ways to view threads without pictures showing up.

The thread part of that comment referred to the fact that forums that list threads in the usual way with maybe 50+ visible per page are a lot easier for the viewer. Sort of like how Google has a basic landing page that has no extra info or ads, and it works, while competitors often build elaborate landing pages with all sorts of complicated distractions...until they fold and their traffic shifts back to Google.

As much as I disrespect Websleuths, they do have an easy to view layout. And their layout works.

Websleuths average visit 8.2 pages https://www.similarweb.com/website/websleuths.com/#overview
Crimewatchers average visit 3.2 pages https://www.similarweb.com/website/crimewatchers.net/#overview

Most of these crime forums focus on promoting the agendas of their administrators. Websleuths is an extreme example, the founder is from Salt Lake City and 'knows Esar Met got a fair trial', and generally discourages comments that deal with extreme flaws in the legal system. Hence my snappy comment about a moderator editing my post when in retrospect I don't remember for sure if I may have simply accidentally hotlinked a dailymail photo of the victim when I made the post.

At this point my snappiness is counterproductive and I will stop pushing this case except to provide materials which might be useful to somebody who wants to make a podcast or video or whatever. There is a vast amount of material which has still not been addressed publicly, and I'll add audio clips from hearings and the trial at the top of Audio List

The problems in this case are common enough to the legal system, and severe enough, that it would be a good case for a crime website to focus on in order to get more traffic.

There are also a lot of broader societal issues....such as the fact that the child's brain was removed and is probably sitting in a jar at the Utah Crime Lab https://tribalcash.org/images/mp3/clip819aa.mp3

Removing body parts to keep as 'trophies' of sorts is common among people in forensic medicine. So much political hype is spewed by the various sides about how they are looking after the interests of the victim, but obviously that is not what they do.

Another example is the constant insulting of Burmese people throughout the hearings and even at trial. I'm not Burmese but it gets annoying to hear the swine involved in this case endlessly forcing obedience from Burmese involved by insulting them and pressuring them.