Epstein, Maxwell et al: exposed in child sex trafficking

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Jeffrey Epstein Confidante Ghislaine Maxwell Arrested on Sex Abuse Charges

Ghislaine Maxwell, the British socialite and heiress who became a confidante of disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein and was later implicated in his alleged sexual crimes, has been arrested by the FBI. She was arrested in Bradford, New Hampshire, around 8:30 a.m. Thursday on charges she conspired...
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GrandmaBear said:
This is starting to make no sense to me. Why did all news, etc. say plenty were not going to be sleeping well and would have high anxiety on hearing the names would be released and knowing theirs would therefore be on it--because why now would that be if every article after it is released points out it is not evidence of wrongdoing? Huh?

And why would they be pulled into a case against Maxwell UNLESS it was alleged they participated in wrongdoing? I get the victims and their relatives aren't part of that group. So what is this anyhow, is it a witness list? A list of the parties in the legal action? Or what?

So RFK Jr. is a conspiracy theorist? Never knew that.

Clinton's aide tried to get Clinton to break ties with Epstein? Now that's interesting. He knew the activities he was engaging in would land him in very hot water is my guess.

The article says they are reviewing the second release before sharing it? Now why would they have to do that if it came from a COURT of law??? Sounds fishy.

Interesting that Vanity Fair stopped one of its reporters from reporting on Epstein's wrongdoings. That speaks volumes.

And boy he sure had a number of coconspirators in his plea deal that got off scott free.

I'd say there is a ton of justice that hasn't been had.

Oh and Al Gore too.
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IKR. Clearly the media don't want to be sued so are stepping carefully.
 
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Vanity Fair article.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Second batch of Epstein list names is released

Virginia Roberts-Giuffre claimed in a May 2011 email that Bill Clinton had marched into the offices of Vanity Fair and ordered them not to report on Jeffrey Epstein. There is no evidence to her claim.
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Well it is a Daily Mail article isn't it, about Clinton threatening staff if they wrote about Epstein? I find Clinton one of the most likely to be guilty of far more than just jetting around with Epstein. For many reasons.
 
Tresir said:
IKR. Clearly the media don't want to be sued so are stepping carefully.
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Oh I don't know. The US media has never done their part with all the Epstein or Maxwell stuff imo. And here they are again soft pedaling and checking a COURT released list of names before releasing them, etc. Maybe Clinton stopped by again... Half kidding.
 
Maxwell's appeal begins on March 12th. Report below by the journalist who interviewed Scotty David.


www.independent.co.uk

My part in triggering Ghislaine Maxwell’s appeal that could lead to a retrial

It was Lucia Osborne-Crowley’s interview with Juror 50 in the Ghislaine Maxwell sex-trafficking trial that led her legal team to appeal over her conviction. Here the journalist reveals how her reporting will land her in the dock as an appeal witness – and what she really thinks about the guilt...
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This is a long but interesting article. I am just copying and pasting a small extract from the very end.

"As part of the appeal, I have been asked to testify to the truth of my interview with Juror 50 and its contents. Again, I am happy to do this as I know it is my solemn duty to the court.

After hearing every single day of the evidence, I believe beyond any reasonable doubt that Ghislaine Maxwell committed the sex trafficking crimes for which she has been convicted.

<p>A prosecutor points to a photo of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell during a news conference prior to Maxwell’s trial in 2021</p>

A prosecutor points to a photo of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell during a news conference prior to Maxwell’s trial in 2021
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"But I also believe, after my own four-year investigation, that it is unjust that she is the only person who has been punished by the law for a sex-trafficking ring that involved countless perpetrators and enablers who continue to walk free.

I accept the jury’s decision that the evidence proves the crimes she herself committed, but justice has not been served if she continues to be the only person punished for a decades-long organised crime ring.


After poring over decades of case law on juror bias, it is my personal view that it is unlikely that any appellate judge could find an error of law in Judge Nathan’s ruling.

If the decision is overturned – which the appellate judges are entitled to do – then I will have to accept that outcome with equanimity and grace – because that is the consequence and value of journalism.

You must be willing to report the truth when you cannot control the outcome, and even if one possible outcome is distressing and turns the present truth on its head."
 
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Ghislaine Maxwell asks court to overturn sex trafficking conviction and sentence

NEW YORK — Ghislaine Maxwell asked a federal appeals court on Tuesday to overturn her conviction and 20-year prison sentence for recruiting and grooming the underage girls who Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused, arguing she was immunized by an agreement federal prosecutors in Florida arranged with...
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By Aaron Katersky and James Hill, ABC News
March 13, 2024 at 1:58 am EDT

NEW YORK — Ghislaine Maxwell asked a federal appeals court on Tuesday to overturn her conviction and 20-year prison sentence for recruiting and grooming the underage girls who Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused, arguing she was immunized by an agreement federal prosecutors in Florida arranged with Epstein in 2007.

"The plea agreement applies to preclude this prosecution," defense attorney Diana Fabi Samson told a three-judge panel of the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. "Denying the viability of this plea agreement strikes a dagger in the heart of the trust between the government and its citizens regarding plea agreements."

Maxwell raised the same argument during trial and asked for a hearing to explore what the Florida prosecutors intended. The trial judge rejected that, ruling prosecutors in New York were not bound by the agreement.

On Tuesday, a prosecutor repeated the view that the U.S. Attorney's office in Manhattan was not bound by the prior agreement with Epstein and said, regardless, it did not apply to Maxwell.

"The central promise in the non-prosecution agreement is a promise by the Southern District of Florida not to prosecute Epstein in that district," assistant U.S. attorney Andrew Rohrbach said. "This is a document entered into by the US Attorney's office for the Southern District of Florida intended to bind the Southern District of Florida and that district alone."

In her written appeal, Maxwell's attorneys argued she was made a "proxy" for Epstein, who died by suicide in prison while awaiting trial, to "satisfy public outrage" about his conduct. They also argued Maxwell was denied a fair trial, in part, because one of the jurors failed to disclose his own history of sexual abuse during jury selection.

Neither point came up during oral arguments.

Maxwell is currently incarcerated in a low-security prison in Tallahassee and eligible for release in 2037.
 
She should be happy with 20 years. They both deserved life for what were repeated acts, an ongoing practice for years on end. And no whatever the corrupt Florida prosecutor did has nothing to do with her nor should it apply elsewhere.

SUCK it UP Maxwell and try to learn to be a human. Whether he got out of what he deserved or not, YOU DESERVE MORE THAN what you got and should be thankful. Grow up. Won't happen but I'll say it anyhow.

You had plenty of your years of sick fun and power. I mean so far even Bill can't get you out of this one right... Or any of the others or they'd not look so good...

You want out? Start showing proof and naming. WITH evidence, not just naming who you choose with nothing to back it up. Let's go. Start now.
 
She will be out in only 13 years at present. It could be months before any decision here. I notice the judge asked whether anyone else could have been included in the deal so it seems strange if Maxwell was excluded. Did she still work for him in 2007?

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Ghislaine Maxwell faces skeptical panel in appeal of U.S. sex trafficking conviction

A U.S. appeals court on Tuesday appeared resistant to overturning Ghislaine Maxwell's 2021 conviction for helping the disgraced late financier Jeffrey Epstein sexually abuse teenage girls.
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A U.S. appeals court on Tuesday appeared resistant to overturning Ghislaine Maxwell's 2021 conviction for helping the disgraced late financier Jeffrey Epstein(opens in a new tab) sexually abuse teenage girls.
The Manhattan-based 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals considered arguments by a lawyer for Maxwell that Epstein's 2007 non-prosecution agreement with federal prosecutors in Florida should have barred the British socialite's prosecution in Manhattan 13 years later.

Not binding in Manhattan​

Andrew Rohrbach, who helped prosecute Maxwell, told the appeals court the reference to the United States in Epstein's agreement was "generic," and that the agreement was "intended to bind the Southern District of Florida, and that district alone."
Circuit Judge Jose Cabranes asked if anyone else was being investigated at the time, and thus might have been in the minds of Florida prosecutors. Rohrbach said no.
The 2nd Circuit did not rule immediately, and could take months to issue a decision.
Epstein died by suicide in August 2019 in a Manhattan jail, a little over a month after being arrested and also charged with sex trafficking.
His victims have since recouped hundreds of millions of dollars from his estate and from banks accused of handling transactions that financed his sexual misconduct.
The scandal has also stained or destroyed the reputations of former friends like Britain's Prince Andrew and onetime Barclays CEO Jes Staley.
In seeking to overturn Maxwell's conviction, her lawyers have argued that prosecutors scapegoated her because Epstein was dead and "public outrage" demanded that prosecutors pin blame somewhere. They also said Maxwell's trial was tainted because one juror did not disclose he had been sexually abused as a child.
Prosecutors have argued that Maxwell did "incalculable" damage to her victims, and that a substantial sentence would show that "nobody is above the law."
Maxwell is housed in a low-security prison in Tallahassee, Florida. She is eligible for release in July 2037.
 
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www.ctvnews.ca

Ghislaine Maxwell faces skeptical panel in appeal of U.S. sex trafficking conviction

A U.S. appeals court on Tuesday appeared resistant to overturning Ghislaine Maxwell's 2021 conviction for helping the disgraced late financier Jeffrey Epstein sexually abuse teenage girls.
www.ctvnews.ca www.ctvnews.ca

NEW YORK -
A U.S. appeals court on Tuesday appeared resistant to overturning Ghislaine Maxwell's 2021 conviction for helping the disgraced late financier Jeffrey Epstein(opens in a new tab) sexually abuse teenage girls.
The Manhattan-based 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals considered arguments by a lawyer for Maxwell that Epstein's 2007 non-prosecution agreement with federal prosecutors in Florida should have barred the British socialite's prosecution in Manhattan 13 years later.

Not binding in Manhattan​

Andrew Rohrbach, who helped prosecute Maxwell, told the appeals court the reference to the United States in Epstein's agreement was "generic," and that the agreement was "intended to bind the Southern District of Florida, and that district alone."
Circuit Judge Jose Cabranes asked if anyone else was being investigated at the time, and thus might have been in the minds of Florida prosecutors. Rohrbach said no.
The 2nd Circuit did not rule immediately, and could take months to issue a decision.
Epstein died by suicide in August 2019 in a Manhattan jail, a little over a month after being arrested and also charged with sex trafficking.
His victims have since recouped hundreds of millions of dollars from his estate and from banks accused of handling transactions that financed his sexual misconduct.
The scandal has also stained or destroyed the reputations of former friends like Britain's Prince Andrew and onetime Barclays CEO Jes Staley.
In seeking to overturn Maxwell's conviction, her lawyers have argued that prosecutors scapegoated her because Epstein was dead and "public outrage" demanded that prosecutors pin blame somewhere. They also said Maxwell's trial was tainted because one juror did not disclose he had been sexually abused as a child.
Prosecutors have argued that Maxwell did "incalculable" damage to her victims, and that a substantial sentence would show that "nobody is above the law."
Maxwell is housed in a low-security prison in Tallahassee, Florida. She is eligible for release in July 2037.
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I know back when we've went around and had a go round about this case a bit. But his deal has nothing to do with her charges nor does his suicide and she deserves every bit. I'm still upset she got to kind of "choose" her prison. Why should she be in Florida and in low security? Florida is is it not the same state that one guy let Epstein off with not even a slap on a pinky.

His deal has nothing to do with affecting or helping he. Nor does the money she's tried for on the b.s. bases she has from him/his estate to defend her and so on.

Prince Andrew stained self. As did many another. Not that Epstein and Maxwell did not provide but did it to self, made the choice.

Not looked at this one too much in awhile. How is she paying for her appeals?

This is one I am unlikely to change on with this--she SOOOOO disgusts me. Don't get me wrong, Epstein does too and it is sick he didn't get what was coming, as despicable and gross as they come. He robbed us of justice.

When her attorneys talk about public outrage at prosecute someone once Epstein suicided, that's b.s. News here covered sh*t about such. You had better coverage you provided from the UK on these cases and him and her than what got put out here. For obvious reasons. Too many big dogs could be implicated.

Other areas but again NYC... If you read my LISK post. So MUCH corruption there unbelievable.
 
GrandmaBear said:
I know back when we've went around and had a go round about this case a bit. But his deal has nothing to do with her charges nor does his suicide and she deserves every bit. I'm still upset she got to kind of "choose" her prison. Why should she be in Florida and in low security? Florida is is it not the same state that one guy let Epstein off with not even a slap on a pinky.

His deal has nothing to do with affecting or helping he. Nor does the money she's tried for on the b.s. bases she has from him/his estate to defend her and so on.

Prince Andrew stained self. As did many another. Not that Epstein and Maxwell did not provide but did it to self, made the choice.

Not looked at this one too much in awhile. How is she paying for her appeals?

This is one I am unlikely to change on with this--she SOOOOO disgusts me. Don't get me wrong, Epstein does too and it is sick he didn't get what was coming, as despicable and gross as they come. He robbed us of justice.

When her attorneys talk about public outrage at prosecute someone once Epstein suicided, that's b.s. News here covered sh*t about such. You had better coverage you provided from the UK on these cases and him and her than what got put out here. For obvious reasons. Too many big dogs could be implicated.

Other areas but again NYC... If you read my LISK post. So MUCH corruption there unbelievable.
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She is a proxy/scapegoat for Epstein. If the others who came after her were not prosecuted in NY then she should be covered too IMO.

Also, what about all the other creeps (big dogs as you say) that flew with and abused victims along with Epstein?

How is she funding her appeal? I don't know but she does have connections so maybe friends are bankrolling her?
 
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She is a proxy/scapegoat for Epstein. If the others who came after her were not prosecuted in NY then she should be covered too IMO.

Also, what about all the other creeps (big dogs as you say) that flew with and abused victims along with Epstein?
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I'm very tired and it's been some time since I thought about this one but it seems we may still disagree on this one. Not entirely though.

Epstein was the big dog but I fully believe it would have then come to her as IF he had not had some buddy or pay off in FL (or above) and things had progressed as real justice should, she would eventually have been charged.

She is not a scapegoat she spent years with him and helped him procure, groom, you name it. The woman is sick. So was he. I don't mean mentally or insane. I mean abusing, using, loving it, living the high life etc. They are both guilty as he77. He's dead, he won't face it but both were going to except of course maybe for the very power and sick others they got info on and to come to their uhm parties, soirees, to fly with them, etc. If she was only with him a couple of years since young and naive and used herself, I might agree but that isn't the case.

Where I don't disagree entirely is that all the other creeps should be charged and haven't been. The big dogs. We can agree on that. Epstein's gone and the only one who could help prove or do that is Ghislaine Maxwell. And she's chosen not to. I think it is disgusting and I think you'd agree with this that none of the men (and wonder about a few important women/wives also) have been charged.

It doesn't make her prosecution wrong though. She is not innocent.

The big dogs haevn't faced it all and been charged and Epstein found his way out if one buys suicide. I don't believe in a lot of conspircies but come on that one is questionable and NYC again no less. None of that means she was innocent or doesn't deserve it either. It doesn't matter if he suicided and didn't have to face justice. IT is sick the BIG DOGS haven't.

But she was on board with all of it. Hobnobbing, setting up, being invited to things like Chelsea's wedding. So long as the high life and blackmail or knowing bought the ticket. Again, right now she could tell ALL and give dates and more. Why doesn't she?

Watch her get out if she is not already enjoying freedoms like Epstein did, having lunch with friends on what kind of release and you name it. Minimum security let's recall and choice of prison basically. Who for a normal convict gets that?

Lol, not trying to argue with you since we agree on some others but I do agree, Epstein should have faced sh*t and so should and still should the big dogs. Doesn't mean she doesn't deserve it though too. This woman is a betrayer and user of younger girls and all women imo. She disgusts me.

Of course you don't have to agree.
 
GrandmaBear said:
I'm very tired and it's been some time since I thought about this one but it seems we may still disagree on this one. Not entirely though.

Epstein was the big dog but I fully believe it would have then come to her as IF he had not had some buddy or pay off in FL (or above) and things had progressed as real justice should, she would eventually have been charged.

She is not a scapegoat she spent years with him and helped him procure, groom, you name it. The woman is sick. So was he. I don't mean mentally or insane. I mean abusing, using, loving it, living the high life etc. They are both guilty as he77. He's dead, he won't face it but both were going to except of course maybe for the very power and sick others they got info on and to come to their uhm parties, soirees, to fly with them, etc. If she was only with him a couple of years since young and naive and used herself, I might agree but that isn't the case.

Where I don't disagree entirely is that all the other creeps should be charged and haven't been. The big dogs. We can agree on that. Epstein's gone and the only one who could help prove or do that is Ghislaine Maxwell. And she's chosen not to. I think it is disgusting and I think you'd agree with this that none of the men (and wonder about a few important women/wives also) have been charged.

It doesn't make her prosecution wrong though. She is not innocent.

The big dogs haevn't faced it all and been charged and Epstein found his way out if one buys suicide. I don't believe in a lot of conspircies but come on that one is questionable and NYC again no less. None of that means she was innocent or doesn't deserve it either. It doesn't matter if he suicided and didn't have to face justice. IT is sick the BIG DOGS haven't.

But she was on board with all of it. Hobnobbing, setting up, being invited to things like Chelsea's wedding. So long as the high life and blackmail or knowing bought the ticket. Again, right now she could tell ALL and give dates and more. Why doesn't she?

Watch her get out if she is not already enjoying freedoms like Epstein did, having lunch with friends on what kind of release and you name it. Minimum security let's recall and choice of prison basically. Who for a normal convict gets that?

Lol, not trying to argue with you since we agree on some others but I do agree, Epstein should have faced sh*t and so should and still should the big dogs. Doesn't mean she doesn't deserve it though too. This woman is a betrayer and user of younger girls and all women imo. She disgusts me.

Of course you don't have to agree.
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I think the big dogs may be payrolling her appeal so that could be why she is keeping her gob shut.

Why wasnt this and Epstein prosecuted as a federal case anyway? The victims were flown all over the world, not just over state lines.

Also, weren't there 4 others who did the same job as Maxwell (before and after she left) and they got immunity didn't they?

I have also seen sentencing in other similar cases ( sex trafficking cases ) and have not seen long sentences such as this.

No way condoning what she, Epstein and others did but just seeing all the big knobs (I'm going to call 'em) getting away with it and her the only one in jail, however cushy that jail is, is not a good look. In fact, that is a good reason for her to be pushing this appeal, just on it's own.
 
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Wait a minute - was the 2007 prosecution of Epstein a federal prosecution? So does that make a difference? Maxwell's was not federal was it?
 
Tresir said:
I think the big dogs may be payrolling her appeal so that could be why she is keeping her gob shut.

Why wasnt this and Epstein prosecuted as a federal case anyway? The victims were flown all over the world, not just over state lines.

Also, weren't there 4 others who did the same job as Maxwell (before and after she left) and they got immunity didn't they?

I have also seen sentencing in other similar cases ( sex trafficking cases ) and have not seen long sentences such as this.

No way condoning what she, Epstein and others did but just seeing all the big knobs (I'm going to call 'em) getting away with it and her the only one in jail, however cushy that jail is, is not a good look. In fact, that is a good reason for her to be pushing this appeal, just on it's own.
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Yeah, I'd wonder who is doing the appeal and how they are paid. Agree.

Hers was federal.

I don't know about others doing her job but she was with him FOR YEARS. And they perhaps dealt, or reached one. She didn't.

I don't think it matters what sentencing went on in other cases. Each case its its own with its own facts, own judge, etc. Only if a judge went against allowed senteincing for the crime convicted of would it likely matter.

I agree all the (mostly) MEN also need to be in jail, what they have for evidence to put them there is likely another story and she isn't helping. I don't think that's an appeal basis. Each case or lack of one is its own. Each case may be stronger, weaker or not have enough to charge or try for different reasons. Arguably it is Maxwell that could provide that and she hasn't.

I agree not only her head should roll so to speak. And who knows what if anything is in the works or goes on behind he scenes. To date she is the only one who has went down for any of this. Why is it she's okay with that? And keeps her mouth shut? Of course she'd probably be dead too if she didn't. One possibilitiyi anyhow. Or help would cease.... Could it be said she sticks by her man/the men? And that again disgusts me.
 
GrandmaBear said:
Yeah, I'd wonder who is doing the appeal and how they are paid. Agree.

Hers was federal.

I don't know about others doing her job but she was with him FOR YEARS. And they perhaps dealt, or reached one. She didn't.

I don't think it matters what sentencing went on in other cases. Each case its its own with its own facts, own judge, etc. Only if a judge went against allowed senteincing for the crime convicted of would it likely matter.

I agree all the (mostly) MEN also need to be in jail, what they have for evidence to put them there is likely another story and she isn't helping. I don't think that's an appeal basis. Each case or lack of one is its own. Each case may be stronger, weaker or not have enough to charge or try for different reasons. Arguably it is Maxwell that could provide that and she hasn't.

I agree not only her head should roll so to speak. And who knows what if anything is in the works or goes on behind he scenes. To date she is the only one who has went down for any of this. Why is it she's okay with that? And keeps her mouth shut? Of course she'd probably be dead too if she didn't. One possibilitiyi anyhow. Or help would cease.... Could it be said she sticks by her man/the men? And that again disgusts me.
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I believe the years she was with him were 99-07. Don't quote me on that. There were 4 helpers named who did get immunity. It's all on the net with the names of those 4 known. This was all done by Acosta at the time. Perhaps she wasn't named like the others, because she was no longer with him by 2007. I haven't read the actual plea agreement bit but I will try and find a copy, because that is what this all boils down to. His recruitment was like a pyramid scheme.
 
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