Four students murdered at University of Idaho *ARREST*

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Got my Masters degree from here.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/nation-world/national/article268771952.html

Killer who stabbed 4 Idaho students to death still at large​

The killer — or killers — who stabbed four University of Idaho students to death remained at large Tuesday, prompting many students to leave the campus in the idyllic small town despite police assurances that there was no imminent risk to the community.

So many students had left the scenic tree-lined campus in Moscow, Idaho, by Tuesday that university officials said a candlelight vigil scheduled for the next day would instead be held after the Thanksgiving break.

The students, all close friends, were found dead in an off-campus rental home around noon on Sunday, and officials said they likely were killed several hours earlier. Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt told the Spokane, Washington-based television station KXLY that her preliminary investigation showed the students were stabbed to death. There is no indication that substance use was involved in the deaths, Mabbutt said.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

Uhm we have a very active, probably b.s. filled, but active defense going on here... Did I say earlier they'd go on about speedy trial but then start flinging motions, etc...

The defense lawyer is doing what they have to do.

 

[GrandmaBear]

The defense lawyer is doing what they have to do.

I guess so but I feel for the families who have been through enough. Not just in this case but in all. Clearly though in this one they are really going to be put through it..

Maybe it is their job but I think in many cases they've gone too far when motions are flung with no real basis and done just to bury the court and prosecution in work and cost tons of time. I see nothing ethical about it, that's for sure.o (IF no real basis). It shouldn't be a game with no rules f.r one side and it seems that way sometimes. There's real reason defense attorneys are loathed and it isn't just because they represent perps in most cases (not denying there may not be some innocent ones although I believe it is rare). They leave a bad disgusting taste in one's mouth because of their games I think is even more so the reason and what appears to be a lack of ethics.

BUT the system has allowed this to not only go on and get worse, the rights continue to grow for defendants. Should they have rights? Of course. More than the victims who really have none? I don't think so. Should the rule of law and a courtroom be a joke? I don't think so. A poorly cast Hollywood drama? Don't think so.

I also think maybe victims (and their families) should be a party because the way it is going isn't working. They are raked over the coals and raped again and again and again with these b.s. actions in cases.

All that said, I don't know if there is legit basis for any of these motions, I feel asleep before I could watch this one. It's been a heavy couple of weeks for me. He77 they all are and have been for years with no end in sight but more so again lately. There just aren't enough hours to deal with the big things that need dealt with for me.

Her filing about speedy trial is reminiscent of course of what just happened in Daybell. Not really her or BK's original thought, in the same state no less. And I don't know if I've ever seen a motion to dismiss a grand jury indictment? Have you? Can anyone else think of a case with such?

Of course it bears looking into and having the time to listen to whether there is any basis at all for it.

One also has to wonder if this comes from her or her client with too much time to play on the internet and watch TV and other cases. Part joking, part sarcasm and partly probably belief it could be true in the name of "preparing for his defense".

Not impressed with ID's system but in this case, investigators appeared to have done a thorough and bank up job. Very unlike all the missed opportunities to stop Lori from another murder or prosecute her or Alex in Daybell starting with at least Charles.

I guess we will see and it is difficult to know since we don't know all but in my opinion it's a usual yell for speedy trial and then flood with a bunch of motions b.s.

These are my tired, up too early, not awake yet, first post of the day thoughts lol. COFFEE needed, too tired to make it Also too hot for coffee. May have to go with a POP.

 

[kdg411]

Bryan Kohberger case: Suspect in Idaho murders seeks indictment dismissal

Prosecutors want information on a potential alibi.

6abc.com

Defense attorneys argue the Idaho state Constitution sets the standard of proof for a grand jury at beyond a reasonable doubt. But the grand jury in the case against Kohberger was given the lower standard required for an archaic process called a presentment, which requires a preliminary hearing. In turn, failing to properly instruct the grand jury is grounds for a dismissal of the indictment, the defense argues.

Idaho's criminal procedure law defines a presentment as a formal statement by the grand jury indicating to the court a crime has been committed, and there are "reasonable grounds" that the person named in the presentment committed the crime.

In comparison, an indictment - under Idaho law - is a written accusation presented by the grand jury "charging a person with a public offense."

Kohberger's attorneys argue the indictment should either be dismissed or be treated as a presentment and have a preliminary hearing. They acknowledge in the motion that the "Defense recognizes that the whole of modern jurisprudence on this issue is against it."

 

[GrandmaBear]

Bryan Kohberger case: Suspect in Idaho murders seeks indictment dismissal

Prosecutors want information on a potential alibi.

6abc.com

Defense attorneys argue the Idaho state Constitution sets the standard of proof for a grand jury at beyond a reasonable doubt. But the grand jury in the case against Kohberger was given the lower standard required for an archaic process called a presentment, which requires a preliminary hearing. In turn, failing to properly instruct the grand jury is grounds for a dismissal of the indictment, the defense argues.

Idaho's criminal procedure law defines a presentment as a formal statement by the grand jury indicating to the court a crime has been committed, and there are "reasonable grounds" that the person named in the presentment committed the crime.

In comparison, an indictment - under Idaho law - is a written accusation presented by the grand jury "charging a person with a public offense."

Kohberger's attorneys argue the indictment should either be dismissed or be treated as a presentment and have a preliminary hearing. They acknowledge in the motion that the "Defense recognizes that the whole of modern jurisprudence on this issue is against it."

Well that's a bunch of legal or news mumbo jumbo imo.

I'm dialing it down to the defense wants a preliminary hearing where they often try to turn it into a mini trial and have to be admonished by the judge for doing so and to stop--good judges anyhow stop it from going that far. They do so to gain info. At least that's what I've seen through the years in other cases and watched it tried in ours, where it was admonished... Very typical from what I came to understand.

I never did watch the coverage of this even though I posted it. I do know however why defense attorneys want preliminary hearings.

 

[Kimster]

Bryan Kohberger case: Suspect in Idaho murders seeks indictment dismissal

Prosecutors want information on a potential alibi.

6abc.com

Defense attorneys argue the Idaho state Constitution sets the standard of proof for a grand jury at beyond a reasonable doubt. But the grand jury in the case against Kohberger was given the lower standard required for an archaic process called a presentment, which requires a preliminary hearing. In turn, failing to properly instruct the grand jury is grounds for a dismissal of the indictment, the defense argues.

Idaho's criminal procedure law defines a presentment as a formal statement by the grand jury indicating to the court a crime has been committed, and there are "reasonable grounds" that the person named in the presentment committed the crime.

In comparison, an indictment - under Idaho law - is a written accusation presented by the grand jury "charging a person with a public offense."

Kohberger's attorneys argue the indictment should either be dismissed or be treated as a presentment and have a preliminary hearing. They acknowledge in the motion that the "Defense recognizes that the whole of modern jurisprudence on this issue is against it."

This is just a precursor for things to come. This defendant is going to pour over every legal document known to man/woman while he’s in jail. He knows how to research and he has the stamina to research long hours.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

"A long drive." Right.

Suspect in Idaho student stabbings says he was out for a solo drive around the time of the slayings

The man accused of stabbing four University of Idaho students to death late last year was on a long drive by himself around the time of the deaths, his defense attorneys wrote in new court documents filed this week.

www.kiro7.com

Suspect in Idaho student stabbings says he was out for a solo drive around the time of the slayings​

The man accused of stabbing four University of Idaho students to death late last year was on a long drive by himself around the time of the deaths, his defense attorneys wrote in new court documents filed this week.

The court document filed Wednesday is the first time Kohberger has said anything about his whereabouts on the night of the stabbings. His defense team submitted it after prosecutors asked the court to force Kohberger to reveal if he intends to offer an alibi.

“Mr. Kohberger has long had a habit of going for drives alone. Often he would go for drives at night,” his defense attorney, Anne Taylor, wrote in the document. “He did so late on November 12 and into November 13, 2022.”

Kohberger isn’t claiming to be in any specific location at any specific time, according to the document, and may have witnesses who can corroborate that he wasn’t at the home where the students were killed. His defense team is still going over transcripts of grand jury testimony and other evidence from the investigation, his attorneys wrote, so it is too soon to detail exactly who those witnesses might be and what they might be able to testify about.

“The defense has stated all that can be firmly stated at this time,” Kohberger’s attorneys wrote.

Idaho law requires that defendants notify the prosecution if they intend to present an alibi defense, which is generally a claim that they were somewhere other than at the crime scene and have witnesses who will verify that.https://jadserve.postrelease.com/tr...fMZAA&ntv_r=https://www.outbrain.com/what-is/

 

[GrandmaBear]

"A long drive." Right.

Suspect in Idaho student stabbings says he was out for a solo drive around the time of the slayings

The man accused of stabbing four University of Idaho students to death late last year was on a long drive by himself around the time of the deaths, his defense attorneys wrote in new court documents filed this week.

www.kiro7.com

Suspect in Idaho student stabbings says he was out for a solo drive around the time of the slayings​

The man accused of stabbing four University of Idaho students to death late last year was on a long drive by himself around the time of the deaths, his defense attorneys wrote in new court documents filed this week.

The court document filed Wednesday is the first time Kohberger has said anything about his whereabouts on the night of the stabbings. His defense team submitted it after prosecutors asked the court to force Kohberger to reveal if he intends to offer an alibi.

“Mr. Kohberger has long had a habit of going for drives alone. Often he would go for drives at night,” his defense attorney, Anne Taylor, wrote in the document. “He did so late on November 12 and into November 13, 2022.”

Kohberger isn’t claiming to be in any specific location at any specific time, according to the document, and may have witnesses who can corroborate that he wasn’t at the home where the students were killed. His defense team is still going over transcripts of grand jury testimony and other evidence from the investigation, his attorneys wrote, so it is too soon to detail exactly who those witnesses might be and what they might be able to testify about.

“The defense has stated all that can be firmly stated at this time,” Kohberger’s attorneys wrote.

Idaho law requires that defendants notify the prosecution if they intend to present an alibi defense, which is generally a claim that they were somewhere other than at the crime scene and have witnesses who will verify that.Outbrain -What is Outbrain? Discovery Platform Powered by Native Advertising

I would have done the eyeroll instead of laughing if it was an option. Thanks emu

Lol.

I saw a headline at some point last night or today that said prosecutors made a motion or demanded or some such the alibi, if any, of Kohberger.

I thought GOOD. I think I said somewhere above if he has one or defense knows something aren't things to be known or discoverable by BOTH sides and shared?

And so here we go with another dance by the defense, they can't know until they review everything or go through everything and hear every witness, etc. SO they don't HAVE one in other words.

Things in our system really need to change. I tell ya. Like Idaho and their archaic not with the times laws as to victims. Different subject but still. It has all gone too far in one direction. Although the ID thing is just archaic. WHO is family and WHO are victims of the victim's loss?

Anyhow, not going to go crazy or on and on but Kohberger ain't got **** for an alibi, they are simply waiting to see if there is one or a blip they can create one from. I don't doubt he did do a solo drive before and after... I also don't doubt this stalker did that more than once in the months and years even. I mean we kind of already knew that, they have a lot of his trail. After and more, stopping at the store, etc.

Allegedly he has a good attorney and I've accepted that but now I'm thinking just another that plays strategy, delays, motions and has really no basis and there is no alibi. Not impressed. And kudos to the prosecution for demanding the alibi. Still didn't really get one, it is a wait and see and how can they know until they see if what someone says can give one or trhey go through the records and evidence, etc. It's laughable imo. And pathetic.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

"A long drive." Right.

Suspect in Idaho student stabbings says he was out for a solo drive around the time of the slayings

The man accused of stabbing four University of Idaho students to death late last year was on a long drive by himself around the time of the deaths, his defense attorneys wrote in new court documents filed this week.

www.kiro7.com

Suspect in Idaho student stabbings says he was out for a solo drive around the time of the slayings​

The man accused of stabbing four University of Idaho students to death late last year was on a long drive by himself around the time of the deaths, his defense attorneys wrote in new court documents filed this week.

The court document filed Wednesday is the first time Kohberger has said anything about his whereabouts on the night of the stabbings. His defense team submitted it after prosecutors asked the court to force Kohberger to reveal if he intends to offer an alibi.

“Mr. Kohberger has long had a habit of going for drives alone. Often he would go for drives at night,” his defense attorney, Anne Taylor, wrote in the document. “He did so late on November 12 and into November 13, 2022.”

Kohberger isn’t claiming to be in any specific location at any specific time, according to the document, and may have witnesses who can corroborate that he wasn’t at the home where the students were killed. His defense team is still going over transcripts of grand jury testimony and other evidence from the investigation, his attorneys wrote, so it is too soon to detail exactly who those witnesses might be and what they might be able to testify about.

“The defense has stated all that can be firmly stated at this time,” Kohberger’s attorneys wrote.

Idaho law requires that defendants notify the prosecution if they intend to present an alibi defense, which is generally a claim that they were somewhere other than at the crime scene and have witnesses who will verify that.Outbrain -What is Outbrain? Discovery Platform Powered by Native Advertising

 

[RoundPeg]

He DID go on a long drive that night. All they're doing is saying what we already know.

 

[GrandmaBear]

He DID go on a long drive that night. All they're doing is saying what we already know.

Yep. And very likely a solo one as we know. Just as they say. I can't help but find such a thing/ploy/statement of alibi by an attorney kind of stupid. It's posturing with a big load of NOTHING.

 

[Guess Who]

This is just a precursor for things to come. This defendant is going to pour over every legal document known to man/woman while he’s in jail. He knows how to research and he has the stamina to research long hours.

And now has a LOT of free time to do so.

 

[GrandmaBear]

And now has a LOT of free time to do so.

Yeah most assume he is behind a lot of this but she is supposedly an attorney worth her salt too and is she leading it or is he? Assisting in their own defense is one thing but running it quite another. Lori Daybell seemed to run hers, cutting them off at the knees as to what they could do. No mental defense, no maligning or blaming Chad, etc., giving a ridiculous statement at sentencing and not to her benefit any of it, that's for sure. And if in this one Kohberger is behind a lot of this, well you've got a man who is no attorney thinking he can play one and play the games. Interested to see how that all turns out for him and for her.

It's starting to seem like a whole lot of hot air. No surprise I guess. In the beginning I even thought OH BOY this is going to be a tough one and hard fought but now it is seeming like the same old b.s. of defenses in most cases. Easily seen through.

On the other hand, prosecution seems to not react to the b.s., stays calm and quiet and then demanded the alibi. LOL.

 

[Kimster]

Yeah most assume he is behind a lot of this but she is supposedly an attorney worth her salt too and is she leading it or is he? Assisting in their own defense is one thing but running it quite another. Lori Daybell seemed to run hers, cutting them off at the knees as to what they could do. No mental defense, no maligning or blaming Chad, etc., giving a ridiculous statement at sentencing and not to her benefit any of it, that's for sure. And if in this one Kohberger is behind a lot of this, well you've got a man who is no attorney thinking he can play one and play the games. Interested to see how that all turns out for him and for her.

It's starting to seem like a whole lot of hot air. No surprise I guess. In the beginning I even thought OH BOY this is going to be a tough one and hard fought but now it is seeming like the same old b.s. of defenses in most cases. Easily seen through.

On the other hand, prosecution seems to not react to the b.s., stays calm and quiet and then demanded the alibi. LOL.

I haven't read any articles, but heard on the radio news that his alibi is that he likes to drive around alone for hours?

Oh come ON. That's not an alibi that a jury would believe, is it?

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

I haven't read any articles, but heard on the radio news that his alibi is that he likes to drive around alone for hours?

Oh come ON. That's not an alibi that a jury would believe, is it?

I'm curious if they'll be able to find/use/have his cell phone history. How often, exactly, was he out driving around. That would be very easy to corroborate or not. Well actually, you didn't often go for long drives...but even when you did, you didn't turn off your phone... Hmmmmm.

I recall something early on about him known to be in the area prior to the murders, but I can't remember if that was fact or just rumor. Perhaps they'll say that was his typical night-time route and he just happened to be caught up in all of this.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I'm curious if they'll be able to find/use/have his cell phone history. How often, exactly, was he out driving around. That would be very easy to corroborate or not. Well actually, you didn't often go for long drives...but even when you did, you didn't turn off your phone... Hmmmmm.

I recall something early on about him known to be in the area prior to the murders, but I can't remember if that was fact or just rumor. Perhaps they'll say that was his typical night-time route and he just happened to be caught up in all of this.

I don't doubt he took drives, not sure how many were long ones but that wouldn't surprise me either but just his lack of social life and probably a jealousy of those who had one and the stalking which I would be was a thing for him would have him driving around to do something, check something, watching someone... Imo.

I'm pretty sure his being in the area prior was fact I want to say back to at least June of that year near the home, etc.

They likely will try to claim it was a usual route and he went there for this and then had a habit of driving there, and there and some other times he took this route...

I think they do have cell phone proof don't they? His records? Or pings? Or both? This case hasn't been the most active recently and I forget but I sure thought so.

At least for when he didn't "forget it" or "turn it off".

 

[Kimster]

I'm curious if they'll be able to find/use/have his cell phone history. How often, exactly, was he out driving around. That would be very easy to corroborate or not. Well actually, you didn't often go for long drives...but even when you did, you didn't turn off your phone... Hmmmmm.

I recall something early on about him known to be in the area prior to the murders, but I can't remember if that was fact or just rumor. Perhaps they'll say that was his typical night-time route and he just happened to be caught up in all of this.

Being an expert in criminology, did he do this driving around just prior and after the murders? Or can they verify he did this when he lived back east, also? As a juror, I would want to have this information.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

I haven't read any articles, but heard on the radio news that his alibi is that he likes to drive around alone for hours?

Oh come ON. That's not an alibi that a jury would believe, is it?

Stupid me. I totally forgot to tell the officers I have an alibi. Could you clear that up for me? As soon as you tell them, I assume I'll be walking out of here, right?

 

[RoundPeg]

Here's the actual alibi filing

 

[RoundPeg]

 

[Cousin Dupree]

Here's the actual alibi filing

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The corroborating witnesses are invisible and can be seen by him, when nobody else is looking at them.