Four students murdered at University of Idaho *ARREST*

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Got my Masters degree from here. :(

Killer who stabbed 4 Idaho students to death still at large​

The killer — or killers — who stabbed four University of Idaho students to death remained at large Tuesday, prompting many students to leave the campus in the idyllic small town despite police assurances that there was no imminent risk to the community.

So many students had left the scenic tree-lined campus in Moscow, Idaho, by Tuesday that university officials said a candlelight vigil scheduled for the next day would instead be held after the Thanksgiving break.

The students, all close friends, were found dead in an off-campus rental home around noon on Sunday, and officials said they likely were killed several hours earlier. Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt told the Spokane, Washington-based television station KXLY that her preliminary investigation showed the students were stabbed to death. There is no indication that substance use was involved in the deaths, Mabbutt said.
 
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In a way they are saying or admitting he doesn't have an alibi as he was on a long drive by himself alone BUT maybe someone or something will come out that can corroborate that... If they're lucky.

I'm leaning towards it's a very stupid thing to say. Maybe they'll run into some witness five towns away who miraculously calls in to say they think they saw a white car, make unknown, five towns over at I'm not sure sir but I think at the very time of the murders.
 
She has some interesting thoughts. I don't regularly watch her and she comes across to me as I don't know, relaxed and maybe a bit mellow.... Lol. Always focused and dialed in but her delivery is just a bit mellow, even keeled despite serious observations, etc. Lol, anyhow...

Most of what she says for any of us who have followed it and read most things and the bulk of it isn't anything that hasn't crossed my mind although not sure I've voiced it all nor centered on the mail as she did here.

She thinks for one that he befriended maybe one of the roommates to get closer to the others... That has definitely crossed my mind.

She thinks due to several things he sent a piece of mail or something to the home via mail, UPS, etc. due to something Kaylee's parents said and then a kind of odd search warrant and more and LE wanted to get that piece of mail and something about videos of delivery vehicles. She also thinks it is Maddie he was likely focused on and that he may well have found her online and then maybe even her friend group, etc. then or later and then this is even a step further--that he chose to move there and go to school there DUE to finding her/them online beforehand...

There is little doubt, without meaning it in any victim attacking way that at least Maddie and Kaylee shared way too much online as to doings, whereabouts, friends and more. So it is certainly possible I guess that he was focused on one or all of them prior to ever moving out there...

Anyhow, it's interesting. I didn't really understand the map she found thing of either UPS or the USPS or some such with distinct important points in Moscow of the delivery service. I have a lot going on so half listened.

Anyhow, sharing:



Curious if anyone else understands what this map is and what it tells if anything and how it relates... It made no sense to me why it means a thing or what it represents and no time to rewatch or dwell on it. Was it showing delivery points a certain day or something?
 
So I think most have wondered about the roommates due to many things from the start. The delay in calling 911 and the fact they survived and the other four did not. I know I have certainly wondered.

The way some of the families seem to have come together for the most part but not theirs I don't think (could be wrong on that)...

And the YTers didn't mention this but I am. In the beginning there was some scuttlebutt about one of the roommates having had a bf over and it just kind of disappeared and nothing much was said about it again. This was before we knew who did it and the time frame and where each was and more. I remember thinking things also like the "four" were close and the other two roommates not "as close" and maybe there were or had been issues... Maybe they came later too but clearly they didn't have the better rooms of the home. Not saying it is fact or means anything, just saying a lot of wondering about the roommates.

Then fast forward and he is arrested and early on the defense wants Dylan subpoenaed for the preliminary hearing and goes on about not being able to interview her or whatever, etc. Prosecution tries to quash it. Next thing we know it turns to a grand jury and there is no preliminary which defense also is griping about and made motions about...

These things aren't from the YTer, they are what I've noticed through this case. It was put down to just making something out of nothing and the roommate he wanted to make seem like knew something, throw some shade, etc. BUT from the start there just have been things...

Now back to the YTer who just said not a lot of it but that she thought he may have befriended one of the roommates. I can see that because it fits very well. He also seemed to have knowledge of this home and where the four were and yet left the one who saw him alone, never went for her room, etc. although it is said she had just moved up to the main floor but regardless... It would make more sense if she was still in the basement with Bethany and he had skipped them... This creep could absolutely not have known where all would be or where their rooms were, etc. without some prior knowledge of the home, whose rooms were whose, etc.

I don't even know what I am getting at, just kind of talking it out for myself by writing it here as I think. We know who Kaylee's boyfriend was, we know Ethan and Xana were a couple, etc. but to this day we know little of the roommates...

I'm not saying either was involved but I am saying he definitely could have been a friend with one, or one felt for him and befriended him,, etc., etc. Or even dated one or who knows...

His attorney/he are and seem very unhappy with the grand jury process and the lack of a preliminary hearing...

I'm probably not making any sense but I am saying there's definitely stuff here that we don't know yet...
 
GrandmaBear said:
She has some interesting thoughts. I don't regularly watch her and she comes across to me as I don't know, relaxed and maybe a bit mellow.... Lol. Always focused and dialed in but her delivery is just a bit mellow, even keeled despite serious observations, etc. Lol, anyhow...

Most of what she says for any of us who have followed it and read most things and the bulk of it isn't anything that hasn't crossed my mind although not sure I've voiced it all nor centered on the mail as she did here.

She thinks for one that he befriended maybe one of the roommates to get closer to the others... That has definitely crossed my mind.

She thinks due to several things he sent a piece of mail or something to the home via mail, UPS, etc. due to something Kaylee's parents said and then a kind of odd search warrant and more and LE wanted to get that piece of mail and something about videos of delivery vehicles. She also thinks it is Maddie he was likely focused on and that he may well have found her online and then maybe even her friend group, etc. then or later and then this is even a step further--that he chose to move there and go to school there DUE to finding her/them online beforehand...

There is little doubt, without meaning it in any victim attacking way that at least Maddie and Kaylee shared way too much online as to doings, whereabouts, friends and more. So it is certainly possible I guess that he was focused on one or all of them prior to ever moving out there...

Anyhow, it's interesting. I didn't really understand the map she found thing of either UPS or the USPS or some such with distinct important points in Moscow of the delivery service. I have a lot going on so half listened.

Anyhow, sharing:



Curious if anyone else understands what this map is and what it tells if anything and how it relates... It made no sense to me why it means a thing or what it represents and no time to rewatch or dwell on it. Was it showing delivery points a certain day or something?
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What map? Can you summarize? She lost me in 3 seconds when she started talking about her “predictions”. I’m guess I’m just not interested in a random lady guessing what things might or might not mean.
 
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
What map? Can you summarize? She lost me in 3 seconds when she started talking about her “predictions”. I’m guess I’m just not interested in a random lady guessing what things might or might not mean.
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That's exactly it, the map made no sense to me. She brings it up again a bit later. Most all she shared makes sense but not that part. Yes she is kind of "something". I almost feel like she's kind of high and mellow or some such. I just don't have a better way of explaining it. But everything else she talked of made sense except for that. She shows the map at a point in the show. It is like the USPS or UPS or some such has a map on that certain day and they have either historical or important sites pinned and the house was pinned or something? I couldn't follow and was hoping someone else knew what she meant and what kind of map such would be. I've got so much going on I dind't read underneath or anything as maybe the comments would show if others also are confused or if I just missed what she meant and they understood.
 
GrandmaBear said:
So I think most have wondered about the roommates due to many things from the start. The delay in calling 911 and the fact they survived and the other four did not. I know I have certainly wondered.

The way some of the families seem to have come together for the most part but not theirs I don't think (could be wrong on that)...

And the YTers didn't mention this but I am. In the beginning there was some scuttlebutt about one of the roommates having had a bf over and it just kind of disappeared and nothing much was said about it again. This was before we knew who did it and the time frame and where each was and more. I remember thinking things also like the "four" were close and the other two roommates not "as close" and maybe there were or had been issues... Maybe they came later too but clearly they didn't have the better rooms of the home. Not saying it is fact or means anything, just saying a lot of wondering about the roommates.

Then fast forward and he is arrested and early on the defense wants Dylan subpoenaed for the preliminary hearing and goes on about not being able to interview her or whatever, etc. Prosecution tries to quash it. Next thing we know it turns to a grand jury and there is no preliminary which defense also is griping about and made motions about...

These things aren't from the YTer, they are what I've noticed through this case. It was put down to just making something out of nothing and the roommate he wanted to make seem like knew something, throw some shade, etc. BUT from the start there just have been things...

Now back to the YTer who just said not a lot of it but that she thought he may have befriended one of the roommates. I can see that because it fits very well. He also seemed to have knowledge of this home and where the four were and yet left the one who saw him alone, never went for her room, etc. although it is said she had just moved up to the main floor but regardless... It would make more sense if she was still in the basement with Bethany and he had skipped them... This creep could absolutely not have known where all would be or where their rooms were, etc. without some prior knowledge of the home, whose rooms were whose, etc.

I don't even know what I am getting at, just kind of talking it out for myself by writing it here as I think. We know who Kaylee's boyfriend was, we know Ethan and Xana were a couple, etc. but to this day we know little of the roommates...

I'm not saying either was involved but I am saying he definitely could have been a friend with one, or one felt for him and befriended him,, etc., etc. Or even dated one or who knows...

His attorney/he are and seem very unhappy with the grand jury process and the lack of a preliminary hearing...

I'm probably not making any sense but I am saying there's definitely stuff here that we don't know yet...
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Woah! Woah! Woah! Brian was out driving alone. He couldn't have done this. I hope they've re-opened this investigation.

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Bryan Kohberger appears in court for motions hearing

Accused quadruple murderer Bryan Kohberger is due in court today for a motions hearing ahead of his October trial.
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Bryan Kohberger due in court Friday for motions hearing​

Accused quadruple murderer Bryan Kohberger is due back in court this Friday for a motions hearing ahead of his October trial.

In court documents, Kohberger’s defense team stated they intend to argue two motions:
 
SheWhoMustNotBeNamed said:
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Bryan Kohberger appears in court for motions hearing

Accused quadruple murderer Bryan Kohberger is due in court today for a motions hearing ahead of his October trial.
www.courttv.com www.courttv.com

Bryan Kohberger due in court Friday for motions hearing​

Accused quadruple murderer Bryan Kohberger is due back in court this Friday for a motions hearing ahead of his October trial.

In court documents, Kohberger’s defense team stated they intend to argue two motions:
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A trial in October, two months away and one in which they intend to seek the death penalty. Who believes the trial will go off on time? Of course the defense is playing the speedy trial card but delaying and asking for stays.

Such a system isn't it. The game of poker or even CHESS has nothing on our system of moves and games, attacks and counter attacks.

I think beneath it all the defense is blowing a lot of b.s. and hot air and as always seeing what works, sticks, delays, etc. I thought she was supposed to be good and I worried about that but am less impressed as time passes. The alibi is ridiculous and trying not to give one but save a right to have one? Prosecution trying to force on as they need to file one was and is the right move.

It's definitely going to be an all hands on deck ordeal but the prosecution seems up for it and I hope it remains that way. I'll give them credit, they asked for more money, help, resources from other agencies, etc. and they are using it and doing it. Imo at the moment anyhow.

I think Brian's goose is cooked. They just can't tell us how badly yet. I think he left a wide trail at least with stalking one or all of these people and I don't think we've heard the half of it yet.
 
GrandmaBear said:
A trial in October, two months away and one in which they intend to seek the death penalty. Who believes the trial will go off on time? Of course the defense is playing the speedy trial card but delaying and asking for stays.

Such a system isn't it. The game of poker or even CHESS has nothing on our system of moves and games, attacks and counter attacks.

I think beneath it all the defense is blowing a lot of b.s. and hot air and as always seeing what works, sticks, delays, etc. I thought she was supposed to be good and I worried about that but am less impressed as time passes. The alibi is ridiculous and trying not to give one but save a right to have one? Prosecution trying to force on as they need to file one was and is the right move.

It's definitely going to be an all hands on deck ordeal but the prosecution seems up for it and I hope it remains that way. I'll give them credit, they asked for more money, help, resources from other agencies, etc. and they are using it and doing it. Imo at the moment anyhow.

I think Brian's goose is cooked. They just can't tell us how badly yet. I think he left a wide trail at least with stalking one or all of these people and I don't think we've heard the half of it yet.
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A rigorous defense needs to be given to all defendants, so they can't plead ineffective council. Is that infuriating, yes. If I was an innocent defendant I'd sure as Hades want a lawyer exhausting every avenue.
 
Cousin Dupree said:
A rigorous defense needs to be given to all defendants, so they can't plead ineffective council. Is that infuriating, yes. If I was an innocent defendant I'd sure as Hades want a lawyer exhausting every avenue.
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Indeed! Also why I will not decide on a defendants guilt just because they were smart enough to use their right to an attorney very soon into being questioned. Those that are actually innocent should get one quick as soon as the questions get testy. I'm the kind that would say something that would make it worse for myself by the way they have been proven to focus on the non important stuff.
 
Cousin Dupree said:
A rigorous defense needs to be given to all defendants, so they can't plead ineffective council. Is that infuriating, yes. If I was an innocent defendant I'd sure as Hades want a lawyer exhausting every avenue.
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I don't disagree a defendant needs to be vigorously AND rigorously defended and I agree if in that position, I'd most definitely want that. It doesn't mean I agree with all that can be used or is allowed and the games, etc. or some of the ridiculous continual appeal attempts.

I gather it is tit for tat in this case with both accusing the other side of causing delays in what is to be a speedy trial. That isn't exactly defending your client so much as likely playing a game causing work load and playing games to get him off on a technicality or on appeal if a speedy trial doesn't result and so forth.

There are a lot of things I don't agree with in our system and the overboard rights of defendants icertainly plays in as do some of the ridiculous things allowed.

I don't though disagree they should have adequate counsel of course.
 
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What to know about Bryan Kohberger's court appearance on Friday

The judge will consider two motions from Kohberger's defense that could delay the start of the trial for the murders of four University of Idaho students.
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What to know about Bryan Kohberger's court appearance on Friday​

At Friday's hearing, the judge will consider two motions from the defense. One is a motion to stay the trial based on concerns about the grand jury selection process, including:
  • Allegations of juror bias and statements made by the court
  • Questionnaires that were missing clerical information
  • And alleged violations based on how jurors answered some questions
The state filed an objection, claiming the defense "has not factually asserted a substantial failure to comply with the Uniform Jury Selection and Service Act." Prosecutors accuse Kohberger of asking the court "to grind the litigation in this matter to a halt..."

The second motion from the defense seeks more information about DNA evidence.

Law enforcement collected trash from Kohberger’s family home and used a DNA sample to link him to a knife sheath found at the murder scene. Investigators said, "At least 99.9998% of the male population would be expected to be excluded from the possibility of being the suspect's biological father."

The defense is asking for access to all profiles uploaded to a DNA database. This could include the names of other people who were a potential match as well as any “unknown” males. Other requests include all communications related to DNA testing and a history of unexpected results for labs that did the testing.

The judge could grant, deny, or partially approve any parts of these motions. Depending on how the judge rules, there could then be a delay in the trial.
 
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Kohberger hearing: Judge denies motion to stay the proceedings

The judge in the trial of Bryan Kohberger denied the defense’s motion to stay the proceedings.
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Kohberger hearing: Judge denies motion to stay the proceedings​

The judge in the trial of Bryan Kohberger, the man accused of killing four University of Idaho students, denied the defense’s motion Friday to stay the proceedings.

The defense’s quest for a motion to stay the proceedings was based on what it said were “irregularities” that happened in the grand jury indictment process, which it says violated Idaho code. Kohberger’s defense lawyers also argued they didn’t have all the evidence they needed from prosecutors.

The defense further maintained there were only 32 people called for the grand jury when there should have been 45. It also said there were items that were wrong on the questionnaires that were not done correctly.

Anne Taylor, Kohberger’s attorney, argued, “The court should stay the proceedings and allow an evidentiary hearing to investigate what impact that had on the grand jury indictment.”

Judge John Judge said he studied the case law prior to Friday’s hearing. He noted the affidavit was “vague,” but based on what has been presented, he does not believe there was a substantial failure in the grand jury indictment and denied the motion to stay the proceedings.


The judge said he will not make a decision about the DNA testing at this hearing.

“As far as I’m concerned, we are starting the trial on October 2nd,” the judge said. Jury selection will begin a week before, and about 1,000 potential jurors will be brought in.
 
I know that a speedy trial is a fundamental right but I think something needs to change with it. It just isn't right defenses want to have their cake and eat it too. They call for one but then do all they can to delay it. it's a flat out game, not a fair practice.

And I don't know, in this day and age of voluminous discovery, with things like cell phone dumps and records and more, time for discovery maybe should be looked at, however, I guess if a state charges they had better be ready too and I heard someone say, I believe an attorney, that there should be at least one person they put on it who tracks and ensures all discovery is given to the defense and continues to be, is tagged and noted as to when, what, etc. for the record. Paraphrasing.

it is unbelievable to me this trial is set to get underway in less than two months.

And i don't buy the grand jury argument. I just doubt it would hold water even on appeal. Sounds like Taylor's filing about it was weak and lacked substance so again, just an attempt to delay and stay while demanding speedy trial at the same time. I do think the State in any case though should be ensuring all discovery is given to the defense pronto but then is she just talking of the DNA stuff which they are arguing they don't have to provide? If so, it sounds like that remains undecided for the moment.

You know, maybe when a judge and both attorneys are on a case of this size, it should be the only one or one of few they are handling, at last one with ah speedy trial demand and at least until conclusion. That would help eliminate delays and all should be able to have hearings in short order, attend, etc. and keep the ball rolling. That will likely never happen but something needs to be done. We saw Lori Daybell have the death penalty removed due to such and if that isn't enough reason (same state too) then I don't know what is. Even with this change though, Boyce would have likely still had a hearing to schedule another hearing to schedule another hearing to have a hearing and then take time after all that to issue a decision.

I'd also add that discovery and info is to flow both ways and you don't see Taylor abiding by the provision of alibi. If she has found any or Kohberger has any info which gives him an alibi then it needs to be turned over. Again, a game. They didn't file an alibi they filed a "hope" that one will come about. Stupid imo.
 
GrandmaBear said:
I know that a speedy trial is a fundamental right but I think something needs to change with it. It just isn't right defenses want to have their cake and eat it too. They call for one but then do all they can to delay it. it's a flat out game, not a fair practice.

And I don't know, in this day and age of voluminous discovery, with things like cell phone dumps and records and more, time for discovery maybe should be looked at, however, I guess if a state charges they had better be ready too and I heard someone say, I believe an attorney, that there should be at least one person they put on it who tracks and ensures all discovery is given to the defense and continues to be, is tagged and noted as to when, what, etc. for the record. Paraphrasing.

it is unbelievable to me this trial is set to get underway in less than two months.

And i don't buy the grand jury argument. I just doubt it would hold water even on appeal. Sounds like Taylor's filing about it was weak and lacked substance so again, just an attempt to delay and stay while demanding speedy trial at the same time. I do think the State in any case though should be ensuring all discovery is given to the defense pronto but then is she just talking of the DNA stuff which they are arguing they don't have to provide? If so, it sounds like that remains undecided for the moment.

You know, maybe when a judge and both attorneys are on a case of this size, it should be the only one or one of few they are handling, at last one with ah speedy trial demand and at least until conclusion. That would help eliminate delays and all should be able to have hearings in short order, attend, etc. and keep the ball rolling. That will likely never happen but something needs to be done. We saw Lori Daybell have the death penalty removed due to such and if that isn't enough reason (same state too) then I don't know what is. Even with this change though, Boyce would have likely still had a hearing to schedule another hearing to schedule another hearing to have a hearing and then take time after all that to issue a decision.

I'd also add that discovery and info is to flow both ways and you don't see Taylor abiding by the provision of alibi. If she has found any or Kohberger has any info which gives him an alibi then it needs to be turned over. Again, a game. They didn't file an alibi they filed a "hope" that one will come about. Stupid imo.
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It is a game. They’re going to throw as much out there as they can do if they get a guilty verdict, they can try to get it over turned later on.
 
Yeah it is a game. It may go on and may be allowed but I don't have to like it. I just don't think a court of law should be a place games should be played but that's exactly what goes on and the more ridiculous with some of them allowed as the years go on. Maybe it has been the way for a long time but I still don't have to like it and I don't.

It's pretty clear what the defense is doing here and I find it beyond acceptable.

We have yet to see if this speedy trial goes off but I personally hope it bites the defense in their butt. They have just weeks to be prepared. State too, no doubt, but states already have detectives, witnesses, evidence, etc. and likely expert witnesses available more easily and while perhaps rushed, my guess would be in better shape than the defense who likely counted on and still is doing these things and delaying with motions, claiming lack of provision of some evidence, etc. and filing a ridiculous lack of alibi alibi. Yes I used alibi twice intentionally. I'm sure she can probably think on her feet with questions and objections at trial but ARE THEY PREPARED with all else? I'm thinking not.

It'll be interesting to see a speedy trial and how ready either side is. Lori Daybell's was one barely, just past, but the time clock stopped with her many mental hospital jaunts and stays. This one doesn't have that. Maybe that will be their next ploy to stop the clock since the judge refused to.
 
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