Let's get this straight, are we talking leaf blower or sn*w blower as you said the latter in my catching up here right now. They are entirely different things.and what else was blown away besides the snow? That is the problem.
interesting. although it now has become a sn*w blower. I know a leaf blower well. Sn*w blower is meant to blast sn*w out of the way and clear path. HUGE difference.Nothing was seen on top but they could see blood beneath the snow and they wanted to collect it and so they "improvised" by using the leaf blower and because they were improvising, they videoed the process and the video was shown in court (Day 5).
Btw, I think it was while using the leaf blower that they also uncovered the broken cocktail glass.
Yes, they came into the Waterfall at about 11, having come from a bar across the street.Or they thought s So J & K got to the Waterfall like at 11??? P.M.?? On a night with weather where his brother and SIL if I have it right canceled plans??
By the leaf blower or sn*wblower? Lol. Different pages, different cases. Totally different things. Don't change the implement. Which was it? One can buy like a $25 leaf blower but all sn*w blowers are in the mid hundreds and the power is entirely different. As is what they do.and what else was blown away besides the snow? That is the problem.
I don't see a problem; I see that "what else blew away" exists only in your imagination.and what else was blown away besides the snow? That is the problem.
I wish I could watch it since other than Summer (thank you) no one is sharing it here. I really did want to see what I felt after hearing all and both sides but just do not have the time and it is not being shared here. I have cases I am more into than drinking adults that I can't give the time to. This one has just never been one of mine and so even though I am now interested, it doesn't take top priority.Yes, they came into the Waterfall at about 11, having come from a bar across the street.
Re the brother and SIL canceling plans, I was mistaken that plans would have been for the same night of the incident. (So sorry about that! You know, I really wish you were watching the trial, not only so that so that you could hear evidence for yourself but also, so you could help me understand the circumstances clearly and accurately!)
So yeah, John wanted to get together with his brother and his wife on that Saturday, not on the Friday of the incident. (Btw, Read actually wasn't mentioned as having been included, I've just assumed she was).
Tis the defense blizzard. Lol. Meaning what they made a big deal of that the public went WTH over. Not real weather, just the public blzzard online, etc. We sure all differ in different cases. Keeps it interesting though.I don't see a problem; I see that "what else blew away" exists only in your imagination.
have you never seen leaves on the ground but under the snow? Do you think even a leaf blower is only going to blow away the snow and not anything else between the snow and the ground...like evidence? What is wrong with doing it correctly?By the leaf blower or sn*wblower? Lol. Different pages, different cases. Totally different things. Don't change the implement. Which was it? One can buy like a $25 leaf blower but all sn*w blowers are in the mid hundreds and the power is entirely different. As is what they do.
But now nobody would know because the screwed up the crime scene. How is that only in my imagination? It's the question that absolutely everybody should be asking in this case. Why couldn't they do it correctly? it's not like these guys didn't know,I don't see a problem; I see that "what else blew away" exists only in your imagination.
I don't see a problem; I see that "what else blew away" exists only in your imagination.
If this is how they possibly found the broken cocktail glass and this was such a good way to "uncover" evidence, why weren't the tail light pieces found? It sure seems like red pieces would be so much easier to see than colorless glass, right? Especially so many red pieces that were somehow missed during this great leaf blower search.Nothing was seen on top but they could see blood beneath the snow and they wanted to collect it and so they "improvised" by using the leaf blower and because they were improvising, they videoed the process and the video was shown in court (Day 5).
Btw, I think it was while using the leaf blower that they also uncovered the broken cocktail glass.
Of course I have. I live in a bigger winter area than you do as you know lolhave you never seen leaves on the ground but under the snow? Do you think even a leaf blower is only going to blow away the snow and not anything else between the snow and the ground...like evidence? What is wrong with doing it correctly?
Not to say all shouldn't be perfect in every case but I am asking for the details--I am not up on them. Did they KNOW they were looking at a MURDER here?? Was anything secured, state called in, feds, etc. at this point? WE see case after case where yeah, uhm coiuld have sure been better after the fact. I truly am going to run out of time or go to work not dressed lol but I am ASKING.Guidelines for Collecting Physical Evidence in Bad Weather
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"we always want good evidence documentation and proper collection techniques that avoid potential cross-contamination and preserve any trace evidence that may be present such as friction ridge detail or hairs and/or fibers. However, if the weather only gives you time for documentation or collection."
I don't understand how this is not obvious on how bad using a leaf blower would be for collecting trace. Standard protocol is to collect as much trace as possible, not to blow it away.
They were wanting to collect blood evidence that was visible beneath the snow and like I've said, I think it was a smart way as to how to go about it.I don't understand how this is not obvious on how bad using a leaf blower would be for collecting trace. Standard protocol is to collect as much trace as possible, not to blow it away.
I don't see a problem; I see that "what else blew away" exists only in your imagination.
My understanding of testimony up to this point is that the leaf blower was used only that morning and only in the immediate vicinity of where John was found and that it was nearer to the curb and after several rains and snow melt that pieces of taillight were discovered.If this is how they possibly found the broken cocktail glass and this was such a good way to "uncover" evidence, why weren't the tail light pieces found? It sure seems like red pieces would be so much easier to see than colorless glass, right? Especially so many red pieces that were somehow missed during this great leaf blower search.
I'm not sure what I think. It could have been stupidity and it could have been smart. Did they also want to reach him and were they sure there was no hope (dead). I don't know enough on this part or I forget. I stuffed a bunch in on it for some weeks BUT again not my first case by a long shot and have a ton of details in ones like Delphi and Daybell and Morphew in my head that I can hardly keep in memory.They were wanting to collect blood evidence that was visible beneath the snow and like I've said, I think it was a smart way as to how to go about it.
How much did? Accumulate? And why would anything on top matter AFTER he was down and died? IF it came down after? What by the way was his BAC? And were drugs tested for in either he or Karen?They blew away all of the snow covering the body. How much snow had accumulated on top?
The medics quickly made the determination that O'Keefe was "viable" and he was put onto a backboard and loaded into the ambulance.I'm not sure what I think. It could have been stupidity and it could have been smart. Did they also want to reach him and were they sure there was no hope (dead).