FL MADELINE SOTO: Missing from Orlando, FL - 26 Feb 2024 - Age 13 *Found Deceased*

Madeline Soto missing: Florida mom begs for daughter's safe return home

A mother in Orange County is begging for help locating her missing daughter.

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Madeline Soto missing: Florida mom begs for daughter's safe return home​

A mother in Orange County is begging for help locating her missing daughter.

Madeline ‘Maddie’ Soto was last seen on Monday, one day after she and her family celebrated her 13th birthday. Maddie’s mother, Jenn Soto, said surveillance video shows Maddie hanging out in a church parking lot on February 26 after being dropped off for school, but she never made it inside.

"I’m trying to hope for the best, but I’m scared for her," said Jenn Soto. "I want her to be okay; I want her to be safe… I don’t want her to come back harmed. I just want her back – whatever that means, I just want her back."

Jenn Soto said sheriff’s deputies are using K9s and a piece of Maddie’s clothing to try to track her scent near Town Loop Boulevard.

According to Jenn Soto, Maddie had never run away before. She said the teen had forgotten her cell phone at home that morning, but that was normal.

As of Wednesday morning, a variety of search teams are out searching for Maddie.


MEDIA - MADELINE SOTO: Missing from Orlando, FL - 26 Feb 2024 - Age 13

 

[Mel70]

I just wanted to hear it for myself.
So the way prgnancy tests came up is that the officer was pressing Jennifer as to what "triggered" Sterns into killing Madeline- "what made him snap" which is mindboggling to me being that it's blatantly obvious (to me) that Jennifer sill believed that Madeline was kidnapped and still had hope that she was still alive!
Annnnnnnnyway, after telling her his opinion that Madeline "probably thought they (Madeline and Sterns) were in love, he asked her "Did you ever fnd a pregnancy test at home that wasn't yours?" And she said "I have two underneath the kitchen- the bathroom sink but I haven't seen if they're still there or not."
He said "Ok....but you haven't seen any used ones in the trash?" Jennifer: "No."

Well I can see why that would hav gone right by me, I mean, if there had been a test that she didn't recognize as her own or a used one in the trash, then either scenario would raise my brow but neither is the circumstance.

P.S. I hadn't noticed it before but through-out that hours long interview (Jennifer narrated for about the first hour), neither of those two officers took notes.
Is that not rather odd?

It was most likely recorded.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I just wanted to hear it for myself.
So the way prgnancy tests came up is that the officer was pressing Jennifer as to what "triggered" Sterns into killing Madeline- "what made him snap" which is mindboggling to me being that it's blatantly obvious (to me) that Jennifer sill believed that Madeline was kidnapped and still had hope that she was still alive!
Annnnnnnnyway, after telling her his opinion that Madeline "probably thought they (Madeline and Sterns) were in love, he asked her "Did you ever fnd a pregnancy test at home that wasn't yours?" And she said "I have two underneath the kitchen- the bathroom sink but I haven't seen if they're still there or not."
He said "Ok....but you haven't seen any used ones in the trash?" Jennifer: "No."

Well I can see why that would hav gone right by me, I mean, if there had been a test that she didn't recognize as her own or a used one in the trash, then either scenario would raise my brow but neither is the circumstance.

P.S. I hadn't noticed it before but through-out that hours long interview (Jennifer narrated for about the first hour), neither of those two officers took notes.
Is that not rather odd?

Okay. I am going to tell you right now I am totally lost on this post. I'll have to take a further look if I get a moment. One last day of work coming here and not sure will get time on days off either but will try.

None of what you are saying is what I heard about whether tests were hers, or not yours, or whatever you are talking of or as to what triggered Sterns. Maybe I'd have to look and find, I saw a clip, all I know is I heard her respond to the bit I talked of, not all you are talking of.

I also don't recall any question about them being in love. So not sure we are talking about the same thing at all but this may be more of what I saw than I did. Again I'd have to see. And I'm not so sure she was still "missing" when I saw what I saw. This was AFTER his arrest I believe or at least after she was found.

So it is quite possible questions around such occurred in more than one interview.

Again, totally lost here on what you are talking of.

As to your PS what are you talking of? It was recorded wasn't it? Why would you need to take any notes? You have the recording.

Again, I'm totally lost and will have to figure out later what you are talking of versus what I was. And when. And what.

 

[GrandmaBear]

It was most likely recorded.

Right? Just said the same before I saw your post.

 

[Mel70]

Right? Just said the same before I saw your post.

MIME!!!

 

[Regina]

As to your PS what are you talking of? It was recorded wasn't it? Why would you need to take any notes? You have the recording.

It was most likely recorded.

It seems to me that you both are saying that since it was recorded, they needn't be diligent.
But I think surely neither of you think that, so now I'm confused, lol!
Anyway, my take on it is that they must not have thought she said anything that was at all remarkable.

 

[Regina]

I also don't recall any question about them being in love. So not sure we are talking about the same thing at all but this may be more of what I saw than I did. Again I'd have to see. And I'm not so sure she was still "missing" when I saw what I saw. This was AFTER his arrest I believe or at least after she was found.

The one I spoke of is the one where she said "underneath the kitchen- the bathroom sink", so I'm sure it's the one you've referred to.
There weren't questions about them being in love, it was the detective telling Jennifer that that was his opinion and/or belief...that Madeline probably thought they were in love.
Anyway, this particular interview was on March 1- the day Madeline's body was found- so Sterns had been arrested 2 days prior.

So it is quite possible questions around such occurred in more than one interview.

Well I've seen or heard all of her interviews that have been released...
Now I haven't yet come back across the one in which she was questioned re the calendar app on her phone that tracks menstral cycles together w/ques. re whether she'd noticed feminine products in the trash but I've ascertained that it must have occurred immediately prior to the one on March 1.

 

[Mel70]

It seems to me that you both are saying that since it was recorded, they needn't be diligent.
But I think surely neither of you think that, so now I'm confused, lol!
Anyway, my take on it is that they must not have thought she said anything that was at all remarkable.

Don't be confused. LOL. I think that maybe since it was recorded. They may have it that it's transcribed.

 

[GrandmaBear]

It seems to me that you both are saying that since it was recorded, they needn't be diligent.
But I think surely neither of you think that, so now I'm confused, lol!
Anyway, my take on it is that they must not have thought she said anything that was at all remarkable.

I'm confused as well because I've spent most of the last hour or two on Delphi and would have to look back here as far as what we were talking about but if I recall, it was about the investigators no taking notes?

Well a recording they can go back over WITH their memories, if I am up on what this is about, not sure, have to look back. And my first thought as I recall not sure I voiced it, if detectives are writing fast and furious at times they think she is saying something damning or something to remember, etc. then would you not or some take that or JS take that as a tactic and it would worry her as to her answers...?

I think not taking notes while interviewing someone you want to be forthcoming and being more relaxed and letting the recording just go and forget about it is a better practice for detectives... And a more relaxed atmosphere for her...

I wouldn't call that not diligent... And on top of that we don't know there is no two way mirror or someone in another mirror with someone who is taking notes, or camera feed, etc...?

I'm not arguing at all, I'm just not seeing why you think this is anything major. They are trying to engage her, be relaxed, focused on her, not scribbling away...

if someone came out to ask me questions even about a car accident and it was jsu an officer who had that little notepad in his pocket and he was noting things when I answered things with his pen or pencil, honestly I'd wonder what they heck he just took from my remark...

No offense but it's pretty old school lol... And there's no way again to know someone was not, and that such wasn't immediately done afterwards, putting down all fresh observations but I don't think it would have to be done with pen and paper either. I'd do it by keyboard.

The other thing is what they jot down can be discoverable and not work product which is protected in discovery rules. I don't think it's unusual at all to not put things down to paper these days...

 

[GrandmaBear]

The one I spoke of is the one where she said "underneath the kitchen- the bathroom sink", so I'm sure it's the one you've referred to.
There weren't questions about them being in love, it was the detective telling Jennifer that that was his opinion and/or belief...that Madeline probably thought they were in love.
Anyway, this particular interview was on March 1- the day Madeline's body was found- so Sterns had been arrested 2 days prior.

Well I've seen or heard all of her interviews that have been released...
Now I haven't yet come back across the one in which she was questioned re the calendar app on her phone that tracks menstral cycles together w/ques. re whether she'd noticed feminine products in the trash but I've ascertained that it must have occurred immediately prior to the one on March 1.

That is the one because yes, she did that, started to say one place and then corrected herself so I agree it is the same one most likely.

yeah I don't recall any questions about them being in love.

I will admit I can't keep straight the times and interviews but I do know generally which ones were later on and the one where she had lawyered up and had the queen for a day grace as to anything she said so long as she told he truth.

The calendar app I would swear was the one that has video too. Well I won't swear to it but pretty certain. If not, it was the last one prior I'd say...

I do know she was asked it, asked about the products, etc.

And with the pg tests and more, and the friend and more, there's a fair amount about possible pregnancy in these interviews when putting it all together.

as to him, it doesn't even have to be that she was pg, it just could have been what triggered her that she was going to tell OR he realized his fun was over because now she could get pg...

I still think though there was a catalyst that she ended up killed that night/early morn. And I'm talking aside from whether JS knew anything or not, because we are not going to agree on that, but basically we do agree on him.... His guilt, etc. Something caused his intent to do this. I do not think he's got there and then snapped. I think his stress and panic and anxiety the day before was that he knew he was going to have to do such. Now I know that comes from his folks, but some things are just more believable and it doesn't benefit them or him in any way to share this. And they felt they were walking on eggshells around him that day... And I do believe it to be true.

So what do you think the catalyst was? I think it comes back to being pg or him thinking she was (she may not have told him if she found she wasn't, hard to say) or her telling. A child cannot be in love re grooming and law and all, but it could be very likely because she had not had a normal life or experience, that she thought she did and expected him to do the right thing, go away with her, who knows... I mean she's 13 for goodness sakes and doesn't know the difference imo from a father figure to an abuser or what love with a man is. She is a child.

The pg thing seems to be a bit dominant in it all and all I can add is that it comes up a lot in interviews... Telling doesn't, but the possibility of pg does...

So aside from JS and her tracking her period and all that, or the pg tests and her not checking to see if one gone, etc., what about him...

If I was 13 and late with a period I'd never panic as I wasn't sexually active. If I was 17 and even a couple of days late, I'd have panicked. And she was beding molested at 13 and so I'd say there'd be panic... Or a misinformed thought, and naivete from not being protected or raised right, and thinking it was love, that shed' want the baby and him to step up...

This child has been GROOMED for years on end... Lord knows what he told her or convinced her of... That one day....?

You know it's sad because on some level she knew this was not a society norm. She wasn't sharing with friends about her mom's roommate who was really her love and bf who had sex with her. What I MEAN by THAT is we know it was SA and she was groomed and told who knows what since little so her way of looking at it would be tainted and she'd be naive to it, but on a level, she knew something was off with it, as she never shared it....

I can't put it into words.... I don't HAVE the words. I'm sure he was triangulating and even had her most likely competing with mom... And dividing...

I'll leave it there as i don't have the capability of explaining what I mean.

BAck to a key point. Do you think HE had a catalyst and realized he had to do this... And what was it?

 

[GrandmaBear]

Don't be confused. LOL. I think that maybe since it was recorded. They may have it that it's transcribed.

I just responded to this too. I see many a reason not to be takInG handwritten notes. And of course it was recorded. Imo. That's how it is known they were not taken notes lol. And yet we don't necessarily see everyone in the room either....

 

[Regina]

Well a recording they can go back over WITH their memories, if I am up on what this is about, not sure, have to look back.

The time to address any issue was then and there.
In my opinion, the interview should have never even taken place.

 

[GrandmaBear]

The time to address any issue was then and there.
In my opinion, the interview should have never even taken place.

Well, I can't say that I follow your line of thinking at all nor understand what you mean. Why?

This is an investigation and interviewing her is hardly unusual or different treatment than what would occur in any case.

You ARE talking an LE interview right, aren't we, not news or something? Pretty sure i'm still on the right subject, just double checking as we have responded over a few days here.

And what should have been addressed then, what issue?

And why should it not have taken place?

Finally, the taking of notes or not isn't something I see as anything at all. We don't know who all was watching or if anyone was, I don't know how you think that and even if no one was, it was recorded. i'm sure they have their reasons and ways and note taking sounds like what the judge in Delphi expects reporters to do with absolutely no recordings or back up, a bit archaic reallyk. And again, that may make it discoverable, I'm not sure, but there likely are reasons.

As often is the case, lol, I'm not on the same page here or seeing the big deal.

As far as it never taking place, why, did it make her look bad or something? She is a mother being interviewed about her missing child. Not unusual.

 

[Mel70]

I can't give my opinion. LOL. Because I have not seen the interview. Just commenting on if it is odd taking notes or not.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I can't give my opinion. LOL. Because I have not seen the interview. Just commenting on if it is odd taking notes or not.

Yes, I like Regina and she and I pretty sure enjoy discussing cases but don't always agree but no offense ever taken by either of us. I don't get the note taking thing at all or see it is a thing nor would it even occur to me. I still don't lol.

There are tons of interviews and documents dumped in this case, call it an info overload. I THINK I've seen most everything now but I haven't read the docs released that are readable. I have seen others cover some of that putting parts up on the screen, etc. but not read any of them myself.

I do think I've seen just about every single interview out there. Of him, of her, of roommates, of their parents, etc.

She did a few news interviews and a few LE interviews and then she lawyered up. With her lawyer they agreed to one more that some call Queen for a Day meaning as long as she told the truth, she'd have immunity if I understand it for that one day and interview. And that anything she said they couldn't use against her unless they come on the information and evidence independently. I think I have that basically right.

He lawyered up the minute the questions got tough and he was starting to realize maybe they were onto the SA stuff...

Anything you want to know, I can fill you in in on the basics.

No one questions his guilt really either here nor out on the big wide internet. What they have against him is damning and there's little argument there.

But most are outraged at her and that she has not been charged. I think it's fair to say the vast majority of people are. I started out giving her some benefit of the doubt but the more that has went on, the more I've seen, I'm unable to do that any longer. I've not convicted her but I'm not on square one any longer of not judging her by a long shot. So that's where I'm at.

@Regina who again I think takes no offense and enjoys the discussion, both of us do, neither take offense if not agreeing, is one who sees nothing wrong with any of the actions of the mother. She can speak for herself, maybe I don't have that exactly right, but she isn't one that sees anything she's said, done or not done as wrong. With me, at minimum mom was very negligent at best and a not, and I'm sorry but she was sending her 13 year old to bed with this man, to the same bed. Just that alone...?

Anyhow again, she can give her thoughts herself but that's where we are at with it. I am not saying mom was involved in the murder or knew or after, but I sure can't rule it out. I am leaning towards she had some signs over the years of the SA and even possibly knew, but again I'm not decided but I sure can't clear her on that either.

The interviews and other things have a lot of inconsistencies and even an admitted lie or two. Mom also started out seemingly way more concerned about him than her missing, and then dead daughter. Regina might not agree with this but it's my opinion.

Even after she knew he'd SAed her daughter, she told his dad to get him a lawyer.

These of course are my views and my filling you in a bit (and I'm sure you looked at the basics) but I'd say what I've said here is pretty much fact.

I like Regina and I think that's returned, we have encountered each other elsewhere and talked as well, so even if we aren't agreeing here, it's not a fight lol where LE need to be called to break us up. LMAO.

Good to SEE you in here and in others lately. For such a big case, basically no one but the two of us have been in here for weeks. Stay. Some new blood! We will try not to draw any blood of yours... Lol. However she and I do not see eye to eye on the mom. I think she'd admit at least I have not convicted mom yet as many out there have but I'm off of giving her the benefit of the doubt any longer.

 

[Regina]

yeah I don't recall any questions about them being in love.

It's beginning to be too frustrating for me to discuss because you obviously haven't watched the video.

I will admit I can't keep straight the times and interviews but I do know generally which ones were later on and the one where she had lawyered up and had the queen for a day grace as to anything she said so long as she told he truth.

I don't understand why you hold it against her that she appeared with a lawyer?
There was never a time- including then- that she hadn't answered every question- many multiple times- she was asked, which bore out to true to the best of her knowledge and/or belief.
Indeed, along the way, she'd had questions for them, which for me, there were times where it was hard to tell whether they were telling her the truth of what they believed!

The calendar app I would swear was the one that has video too. Well I won't swear to it but pretty certain. If not, it was the last one prior I'd say...

I'm sure I've heard only audio of that interview. In fact, the only interview with both audio and video that I'm aware of that's been released is that last one, on March 1.

As I've pointed out, it was very shortly after that "interview" that Madeline's body was found.
I've read in a report that she was informed, began to cry, and handed the phone over to her father (I think it was).

So aside from JS and her tracking her period and all that, or the pg tests and her not checking to see if one gone, etc., what about him...

If I was 13 and late with a period I'd never panic as I wasn't sexually active. If I was 17 and even a couple of days late, I'd have panicked. And she was beding molested at 13 and so I'd say there'd be panic... Or a misinformed thought, and naivete from not being protected or raised right, and thinking it was love, that shed' want the baby and him to step up..

Info from the friend as I heard it is that there wasn't any panic, just a comment that she hadn't had hers yet.
As for JS tracking her period, there are plenty of good reasons to do that other than what ever you must be thinking.

Something caused his intent to do this. I do not think he's got there and then snapped. I think his stress and panic and anxiety the day before was that he knew he was going to have to do such. Now I know that comes from his folks, but some things are just more believable and it doesn't benefit them or him in any way to share this. And they felt they were walking on eggshells around him that day... And I do believe it to be true.

So what do you think the catalyst was? I think it comes back to being pg or him thinking she was (she may not have told him if she found she wasn't, hard to say) or her telling.

Yeah, I agree, I thnk it could have been any of those reasons.
You know, Madeline's crush was something new, I wonder whether that somehow had anything to do with it.
Info re that Telegram chatroom- that people have been blackmailed into doing all sorts of horrific things- and that he was on that site that very night is very disturbing and I also wonder whether that has anything to do with anything...
Yes, I do believe the parent's info that he was anxious and stressed. Now, something's up with that, I just don't know what, but it does seem to me that it's likely related to her murder.

 

[GrandmaBear]

It's beginning to be too frustrating for me to discuss because you obviously haven't watched the video.

I don't understand why you hold it against her that she appeared with a lawyer?
There was never a time- including then- that she hadn't answered every question- many multiple times- she was asked, which bore out to true to the best of her knowledge and/or belief.
Indeed, along the way, she'd had questions for them, which for me, there were times where it was hard to tell whether they were telling her the truth of what they believed!

I'm sure I've heard only audio of that interview. In fact, the only interview with both audio and video that I'm aware of that's been released is that last one, on March 1.

As I've pointed out, it was very shortly after that "interview" that Madeline's body was found.
I've read in a report that she was informed, began to cry, and handed the phone over to her father (I think it was).

Info from the friend as I heard it is that there wasn't any panic, just a comment that she hadn't had hers yet.
As for JS tracking her period, there are plenty of good reasons to do that other than what ever you must be thinking.

Yeah, I agree, I thnk it could have been any of those reasons.
You know, Madeline's crush was something new, I wonder whether that somehow had anything to do with it.
Info re that Telegram chatroom- that people have been blackmailed into doing all sorts of horrific things- and that he was on that site that very night is very disturbing and I also wonder whether that has anything to do with anything...
Yes, I do believe the parent's info that he was anxious and stressed. Now, something's up with that, I just don't know what, but it does seem to me that it's likely related to her murder.

I am going to go by paragraphs.

First, what video have I not watched? The only one in which she was on video (other than news?) because I did. If we are talking of different ones, let me know. More than willing to watch.

Second, I don't hold it against her. And I have not convicted her. On anything yet. I am just not at square one with her any longer. And she has admitted to a lie or two with very poor excuses. And she needed a rule about overnights with Stephan. I don't understand why out of tons of things and a mom sending her to the same bed with how old of a man when she's 13 doesn't phase you. And I mean that of course not to offend but nothing in this whole case regarding her decisions even give you a blip of thinking she wasn't making at minimum the wisest of decisions and I guess I don't understand that?

Third, I could well be mixing up interviews as to what was said in which. Easily can admit that. So the one she was on video and audio, was that the one with her attorney? I'd hope you'd understand you said yourself not long ago that you were losing the details on SS because we'd been discussing JS, it's been a LOT of info dump, a lot to watch, listen to, etc.

Paragraph four of yours. yes, I heard that too. it didn't last long. I'm open on that one as to my opinion...

Number five. MS didn't share even being SAed by her mom's "bf" and perhaps did think they were in love, who the HE77 knows what he had her convinced of. Maybe she wanted to be pg in a very juvenile naive and barely teenaged way. Or she is hiding any panic just as she hid the SA or what she may have believed to be, groomed by him, a relationship. Part two of that paragraph, I'm not saying there isn't good reason for her to track the period so much as I'm saying if she was so diligent in doing that, THAT month she apparently did not, did not notice, etc...

Your ending. We can agree on that re his possible reasons then. And the crush, I'd agree and add as a possibility. But even if SS did this over a crush, it was still related to her probably saying I'm done, I have a crush on a boy, I am going to tell, you need to stop. And/or he knew the control over her was ending and he was at risk as she was about to move on or thinking she was going to.

Finally your last sentence. Not so sure about depressed but yes, that day he was anxious and panicked is more like it sounded. And even though we have to take whatever from whoever as it is their view or statements and not evidence, this is one statement both you and I believe from the parents (mostly dad) that he was like a tinder box they were scared to set off that day, asking if they had was it anxiety meds or anything he could take etc.? I think he definitely was panicked over something re MS and knew he was going to have no choice (in his mind) but to kill her. It does sound like we agree basically on this one.

Tell me, just so I can try to get it better, how you rate JS as a mom in general... And based on what? I mean she never even put a roof over her child's head to speak of herself. And I don't buy or fall into using mental health excuses re a lot of things. So if that's a reason, let's not go there. JS is NOT in her 20s. Her child is THIRTEEN. Or sadly was.

Just trying to understand how you don't see that she was far from a stellar mom. If we are all honest, none of us ever feel we couldn't do better but she failed miserably. She's, and so is he, sadly representative of a generation, that's all about me, and my issues, and my mental health, etc. Thankfully not all of that generation turned into such.

I'm not saying she may not be bipolar, etc. but where is it she is ever on an even keel and doing a good job?

We have Mel in here now and I'd say she'd have a lot to say about such used as excuses.

Let me put it more clearly-- do you see anything in JS she could have done better, as most of us always can? I think what I have trouble with is I almost think you see her as perfect and we know she isn't by a long shot. That's where I fall down I think.. If you just think she did the best she could and was a product of a bad childhood herself, or naive, then even though I wouldn't find that an excuse, at least I'd realize you don't see her as some perfect mom. Because she sure the heck wasn't. None of us are. But boy she truly was not.

And again, please keep in mind I have not convicted her but I sure can't be on square one any longer where she is concerned. Most out there HAVE convicted her. And there's plenty of reason and ammo she gave them for that as well.

We do agree on him it seems and that there was a catalyst that had this murder intended he was panicked about the day before...

More on your ending. That's interesting and may play in at some point re Telegram.

 

[Regina]

First, what video have I not watched? The only one in which she was on video (other than news?) because I did. If we are talking of different ones, let me know. More than willing to watch.

This one.

Second, I don't hold it against her.

I don't believe you, lol

So the one she was on video and audio, was that the one with her attorney?

No, that one was in April. (The one we've been talking about was on March 1.)

MS didn't share even being SAed by her mom's "bf" and perhaps did think they were in love, who the HE77 knows what he had her convinced of. Maybe she wanted to be pg in a very juvenile naive and barely teenaged way. Or she is hiding any panic just as she hid the SA or what she may have believed to be, groomed by him, a relationship.

Yeah, I don't believe anyone was told about the abuse, which to my knowledge isn't uncommon and so I don't read anything into that.
But I don't know to what extent Madeline was even aware of the abuse, I mean, a few of the photos describe her as "appearing to be asleep", one says "under a blanket"...which causes me to wonder whether she actually was asleep or asleep by unnatural means since there's info that Sterns searched Sevoflurane, an anesthetic drug, on two different dates- 12/12 and 2/14- and used search terms "show up on drug test".

Let me put it more clearly-- do you see anything in JS she could have done better, as most of us always can?

I don't think it matters whether she could have done better.
What happened, happened due to the fact that Sterns is a sexual predator.

 

[GrandmaBear]

This one.


I don't believe you, lol

No, that one was in April. (The one we've been talking about was on March 1.)

Yeah, I don't believe anyone was told about the abuse, which to my knowledge isn't uncommon and so I don't read anything into that.
But I don't know to what extent Madeline was even aware of the abuse, I mean, a few of the photos describe her as "appearing to be asleep", one says "under a blanket"...which causes me to wonder whether she actually was asleep or asleep by unnatural means since there's info that Sterns searched Sevoflurane, an anesthetic drug, on two different dates- 12/12 and 2/14- and used search terms "show up on drug test".

I don't think it matters whether she could have done better.
What happened, happened due to the fact that Sterns is a sexual predator.

Okay. That makes sense. I'd have to take another look. I'm not mixed up on interviews and I was pretty sure the video one did not have her atty, it had the two detectives from the most we could see. But a far as what came out in each, I knew but it is fuzzy which one certain things were in.

LOL. I haven't convicted her. Give me that. Almost everyone else out there has. Experts, former LE, current LE, talking heads, news media, you name it. I think I deserve some credit for not being a sheep. You certainly aren't one lol, but I can't follow your thought of is she some perfect mom either... Nope, she's not by a LONG shot.

HEY, it's never dull with you or our discussions LOL. I hate namby pamby dull safe things. Let's GET IT OUT there and discuss it.

I'd say Madeline was aware some of the time for sure. I mean some of the picture/video evidence is her having his organ in her mouth. I don't want to get graphic but the only way that is going to work is if she is somewhat aware and performing or he'd end up bit or not getting any satisfaction. I guess she could have had something to relax her but she definitely was not unconscious in some of these things. And by the way we don't know the half or even a tenth of what the pictures/videos show.

So mom MS was well aware at least of some. Again, I hate talking like this, I hate it for her, I hate it for all reasons, but her mom's honey was making this child BLOW him. She KNEW.

Not that's not to say he never sedated her and did other things, who knows and for all they supposedly have, going to guess it gets worse.

So yeah it's not uncommon to not tell about abuse but it wouldn't also by that be uncommon to not tell a friend who you didn't tell about abuse that you are worried about being late with your period being that friend thought you were not sexually active so why would she tell her that and not hide any panic? Of COURSE she isn't going to tell her of any panic there. Imo.

Finally, yes he is sexual predator who she let into her home, sent her daughter to bed with, and got out of the home, and then brought him back into the home the very night her daughter ended up dead.

You know at minimum any mom would be guilting herself to no end. I'd probably be offering myself up for sacrifice at failing, even though he was the predator.

She doesn't make sense to me, and she doesn't add up.

BUT again, never dull when we don't agree LOL. Even Delphi that should be half into a day of trial right now is DEAD for a thread.

 

[Guess Who]

It's beginning to be too frustrating for me to discuss because you obviously haven't watched the video.

I don't understand why you hold it against her that she appeared with a lawyer?
There was never a time- including then- that she hadn't answered every question- many multiple times- she was asked, which bore out to true to the best of her knowledge and/or belief.
Indeed, along the way, she'd had questions for them, which for me, there were times where it was hard to tell whether they were telling her the truth of what they believed!

I'm sure I've heard only audio of that interview. In fact, the only interview with both audio and video that I'm aware of that's been released is that last one, on March 1.

As I've pointed out, it was very shortly after that "interview" that Madeline's body was found.
I've read in a report that she was informed, began to cry, and handed the phone over to her father (I think it was).

Info from the friend as I heard it is that there wasn't any panic, just a comment that she hadn't had hers yet.
As for JS tracking her period, there are plenty of good reasons to do that other than what ever you must be thinking.

Yeah, I agree, I thnk it could have been any of those reasons.
You know, Madeline's crush was something new, I wonder whether that somehow had anything to do with it.
Info re that Telegram chatroom- that people have been blackmailed into doing all sorts of horrific things- and that he was on that site that very night is very disturbing and I also wonder whether that has anything to do with anything...
Yes, I do believe the parent's info that he was anxious and stressed. Now, something's up with that, I just don't know what, but it does seem to me that it's likely related to her murder.

Very smart of her to have an attorney present with her.

 

[Regina]

I can't follow your thought of is she some perfect mom either... Nope, she's not by a LONG shot.

Of course I don't think anyone's perfect, I'm just not interested in criticizing her.
The way I see it, nothing she did caused Sterns to do what he did.

I'd say Madeline was aware some of the time for sure.
Not that's not to say he never sedated her and did other things, who knows and for all they supposedly have, going to guess it gets worse.

I'm just saying that there's evidence suggesting that she was drugged.

So mom MS was well aware at least of some. Again, I hate talking like this, I hate it for her, I hate it for all reasons, but her mom's honey was making this child BLOW him. She KNEW.

She wasn't convinced until near the end of that interview that it was Madeline in the photos. She'd asked to see Madeline's face to confirm it in own mind that it was indeed her daughter in the photo. And once they confirmed that for her, she was still questioning whether it was Sterns' penis in the photo!

So yeah it's not uncommon to not tell about abuse but it wouldn't also by that be uncommon to not tell a friend who you didn't tell about abuse that you are worried about being late with your period being that friend thought you were not sexually active so why would she tell her that and not hide any panic? Of COURSE she isn't going to tell her of any panic there.

The evidence is that there was no panic re being late and so I take it that there wasn't.