Thursday 18th Apr updates. ( I will put dates on these now.)
LIVE UPDATES FROM THE CHAD DAYBELL TRIAL
Excuse the typos – these are live updates from the courtroom
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11:50 a.m. Lori says Gibb feels guilty about being with someone before she is divorced. Gibb says, “Honey, that’s not what we are talking about here.” Lori says Jesus Christ is protecting her and will protect her against the accusations Gibb has made against her. Lori hangs up.
11:49 a.m. Gibb says Lori’s behavior is not one of someone who believes in Christ. Lori says Gibb sounds “pissed off,” Gibb responds, “I am troubled. These things – like you being with Chad before he’s even divorced.” Lori says, “I was never with him and he was never divorced.” Gibb says, “Honey, I’ve seen you guys together.”
11:47 a.m. Gibb tells Lori her salvation is in trouble with the Lord. Lori says she needs to check with the Lord again because her salvation is not in trouble. Lori says, “I’m sorry you are friends with all these people who are against me.” Gibb says she isn’t friends with any of them – she doesn’t know Kay, she doesn’t know Chad’s sister-in-law.
11:45 a.m. Gibb and Lori are arguing about scriptures and Gibb tells Lori she has opened dark portals and “dark junk.” Lori says the Lord has her back. Gibb says she’s trying to find JJ and she’s asking where JJ is. Lori says she can say where JJ is but that would not be best for JJ. Lori says she would never ask Gibb not to protect her children.
11:44 a.m. Lori tells Gibb she will be accountable for the knowledge she has. Gibb says, “So will you.” Gibb says she was reading the story of Korihor and his carnal and natural desires. Lori says, “You think I’m Korihor? Are you kidding me right now?” Gibb says both Chad and Lori had similarities to Korihor. Lori says she lives by the scriptures and Gibb says she feels Lori has “rested” the scriptures. Lori is upset Gibb would say this.
11:42 a.m. Chad says he’s known for years that Tammy would die at a young age and his life will have two segments. Chad says Tammy is on a special mission and she has visited his kids. He tells Gibb she has to have faith in the master plan. Gibb says, “You can understand my concern, correct?” Chad says from an outsider’s perspective, he can but David (her boyfriend) seems to be putting doubts in her mind.
11:42 a.m. Lori says Christ is coming soon and Gibb will know that Lori has not been deceived. Chad now comes onto the call and says his sister-in-law (Heather Daybell) has been deceived and coming up with theories. Chad says his own children said Tammy had been getting weaker and sick, her heart was failing her and she was physically falling apart.
11:41 a.m. Gibb says Tammy died, Charles died. Gibb says she has never had peace about all this and she has felt weird in her stomach. Lori responds, “You know me, Mel. This sounds like you have been influenced by somebody dark who wants you to believe dark things and have fear of the celestial world.”
11:40 a.m. Lori tells Gibb she did what the Lord told her to do and Gibb can have this confirmed to her from the Lord. Gibb tells Lori she has been very deceived by Satan and Satan has tricked her.
11:38 a.m. Lori tells Gibb darkness is knocking on the door all the time and says, “I promise you I have done nothing wrong in this case but sometimes you have to hide in the cavity of a rock.” Lori says Kay is dark because she changed the life insurance policy with Charles. Lori says she doesn’t know why Gibb is being “controversial” with her and says she loves Gibb. Gibb says, “If you really loved me, you would not have told the police I had JJ with me.”
11:37 a.m. On the call, Lori mentions Alma and Moroni, Book of Mormon prophets. Lori says they had to “hide in the cavity of a rock by day and go out by night.” Gibb reads a scripture to Lori about not fearing men more than God and being faithful. Gibb says if the door is open to Satan, he comes in and attacks. “God doesn’t work in darkness,” Gibb says. Lori responds, “I agree 100% and that is what the Lord is doing with me.”
11:35 a.m. Lori says the police are working with Kay in “some dark capacity” and there is no reason for them to be after her. Lori says Kay has threatened her. Gibb says she’s worried for Chad and Lori because JJ is missing. Lori says, “I know exactly where he is. He’s safe.” Gibb wants to share a scripture with Lori.
11:33 a.m. Gibb says she asked Alex Cox where JJ was. He said he was somewhere and could not be found. Lori says she doesn’t want anyone to know where JJ is so nobody has to be questioned about it. Gibb asks Lori how long she will be away. Lori says she will do whatever the Lord needs her to do every day.
11:31 a.m. Gibb asks Lori why she told the police JJ was with her. “I just needed to have somebody so I wouldn’t have to tell him where he really was because they were going to tell Kay.” Gibb asks if JJ is safe. Lori responds, “He is safe and happy.” Gibb asks how it could hurt her if she knew where JJ is. Lori responds: “I’m just not telling anybody so that nobody has to say where he is or get questioned where he is so I can keep him as safe as possible.”
11:28 a.m. Blake is now playing the call. Chad answers, “Hello, sweet Melanie.” Gibb asks Chad and Lori where they are. Chad giggles and says, “We’re just hanging out.” They don’t say where they are. Gibb asks Lori what happened with JJ and why isn’t he at Kay’s house. Lori doesn’t answer the question but says people are after her. Chad says, “If you knew where JJ was, that puts you in danger.” Chad and Lori won’t say where JJ is because Lori wants to keep him and everyone else protected.
11:23 a.m. Gibb called Chad and Lori on Dec. 8, 2019. She recorded the call. Blake moves to admit the call. You can listen here:
11:20 a.m. Gibb told police JJ had never been with her. After Thanksgiving, Gibb and David called Chad and Lori. They asked where JJ was. Chad and Lori would not tell her. Gibb spoke with Alex a day or two after Thanksgiving and told him her concerns about JJ. Gibb and Alex were walking with Melani Pawlowski in a field. Gibb asked Alex, “Do I want to know here JJ is?” Alex said no and proceeded to tell her about the police coming to his apartment.
11:18 a.m. Gibb says the day she was going to talk with the police, she got a call from an old friend who is an attorney. Gibb says she told her friend about the situation and the attorney suggested a welfare check be done. The attorney reached out to police and requested a welfare check. Gibb was concerned about the welling of JJ and Tylee. Gibb sat down with law enforcement and says “I told them everything” without an attorney present.
11:17 a.m. Gibb says Alex told her law enforcement were considered dark translated beings. Gibb says Chad determined who was dark. Gibb did not initially answer the call from the police. She says she didn’t know what to do. She ended up calling Gilbert police. She said she had JJ but no longer had him and he was back with Lori.
11:15 a.m. Gibb said to Chad, “JJ isn’t with Kay?” Chad said no. He told her Lori would be calling her but she was talking to the police. Lori later called Gibb and was very positive and upbeat. She said she was protecting JJ and Tylee because Kay and others were trying to kidnap him. Gibb says Lori told her to go to a Frozen movie and take pictures of other kids to make it look like Melanie had him.
11:14 a.m. In Nov. 2019, two or three days before Thanksgiving, Chad called Gibb when she was in Utah. Chad told Gibb the Rexburg police were going to call her and ask about JJ. He asked her not to pick up the phone. He said Lori told the police Gibb had JJ. Gibb says Chad sounded nervous on the phone.
11:13 a.m. The morning after Gibb last saw JJ, Lori said JJ was with Alex. Lori later told Gibb that she met up with Kay in the Salt Lake City airport and Kay took JJ.
11:11 a.m. Gibb says Lori told her she was going to meet Kay in an airport and give JJ to him. Lori was throwing out different ideas of how she could convince Kay to take JJ. Lori told Gibb she contacted Kay and Lori said she gave JJ to Kay. Kay and Larry Woodcock are in the courtroom this morning.
11:10 a.m. Blake asks Gibb if she knows if Lori ever received life insurance following Charles Vallow’s death. Gibb doesn’t think so. Gibb says Lori never told her about having a job in Idaho. Lori shared with Gibb that JJ was acting out more and was acting like he was possessed the weekend Gibb visited. Lori seemed troubled that JJ had been taken over by an evil spirit. Lori told Gibb she wanted Kay Woodcock, JJ’s grandmother, to take JJ.
11:09 a.m. Gibb never saw JJ again.
11:07 a.m. That night David woke up with a panic after having a nightmare. Gibb says he was very disturbed by the dream. Gibb called out to get help from Lori and/or Chad to ask for a priesthood blessing. Gibb texted or called Chad but he didn’t respond. Gibb says this was in the early morning hours. Gibb texted and called Lori. She didn’t answer. Gibb went to Lori’s room but it was locked.
11:06 a.m. Lori said Sept. 22 was a special day for her – it was the anniversary of when she saw Moroni in the temple. Gibb recalls recording a podcast on Sept. 22 with Lori and David. Alex walked in the door holding JJ on the shoulder. Alex was taking JJ to bed. JJ often slept in the corner of his mom’s room in a little bed. He also had his own bedroom. JJ did not sleep in his bedroom that night because she was in JJ’s room.
11:05 a.m. During the walk around the BYU-Idaho track, Chad and Lori were very affectionate and loving toward each other. Gibb asked if they were concerned Tammy might see them together. Lori said Tammy was not aware of his personal life like that – where he went. There was no indication of divorce or separation.
11:03 a.m. Gibb observed affection and loving with Chad and Lori. She kissed him on the cheek. They sang together and danced a little. Gibb recalls walking around the BYUI campus and Chad and Lori were holding hands. Prior has objected a few times but his microphone is off so it’s hard to hear.
11:01 a.m. Tammy was still alive at this time. Gibb heard Chad talk a little about Tammy. David asked Chad about Tammy that weekend. Chad asked David not to tell anyone about his relationship with Lori. Chad said Tammy was a good wife, according to Gibb. Gibb never heard Chad say anything about getting a divorce.
10:59 a.m. Gibb says she arrived on Wednesday. The next day, JJ was upset and Chad took him upstairs. After some time, Chad came back downstairs holding his hand. Chad had a red scratch on his neck. Gibb asked what happened and Chad said JJ had scratched him. Gibb had not seen interactions between Chad and JJ before that time.
10:58 a.m. Lori spoke to Gibb about JJ. Lori said the day before Gibb arrived, JJ became dark. Lori had previously told Gibb that Tylee was dark. Gibb didn’t observe any behaviors from JJ that caused her concern. Several of the jurors are taking notes.
10:57 a.m. Gibb never saw Tylee in Idaho. She asked Lori where Tylee was and Lori says her daughter was at BYU-Idaho with her roommates. Lori didn’t talk about Tylee again. Gibb stayed in Tylee’s room but there was nothing in there. Just furniture.
10:56 a.m. Gibb visited Lori the weekend of Sept. 22, 2019. There was a conference in Rexburg and Gibb was going to record a podcast with Lori. They had recorded podcasts with each other before. Gibb flew to Idaho and stayed at her house. When they arrived at the home, Alex and JJ were there. Occasionally Chad would come over. David Warwick, her boyfriend at the time, was also there. Warwick and Gibb are now married.
10:54 a.m. Lori was in Hawaii and not at the conference. After Lori moved to Idaho, Gibb spoke to Lori on the phone right after they moved in. Lori was in her apartment playing games with Alex and Tylee. Gibb heard Tylee in the background.
10:52 a.m. Lori told Gibb she needed to go to Idaho to be with Chad. Lori told Gibb Tylee was dark at some point. Blake asks who gave Lori that information. “I’m guessing it was Chad,” Gibb says. Gibb says she once saw Chad with a pendulum to get his answers – it was gold and had a string. It was in February 2019 in Boise. Gibb was here for a conference. Chad, Zulema, Sarina and Audrey and other people were at the conference.
10:50 a.m. When Lori was Elaina, Chad was James – one of the apostles of Jesus – in a previous life. Lori learned this information from Chad, Gibb says. Gibb says Chad would sit in his portal and ask questions to get his information. Gibb saw Lori’s portal. “It was nothing but a spot in her closet. It didn’t look like anything. It looked like a regular space,” Gibb says. Gibb says Chad told her and taught her about the portal.
10:48 a.m. Lori contacted Chad daily, according to Gibb. Blake asks about names Chad had in prior lives. Gibb doesn’t remembers names but remembers that Lori was married to Moroni, James and she was Chad’s wife but he was James and she was Elaina. Chad was considered to be Methuselah and she was his daughter. Another time she was a lady who was married to a relative of Joseph Smith.
10:46 a.m. Gibb spoke with Lori about why Chad didn’t get a divorce. Chad told Lori that if he got a divorce, he would lose his exaltation. Charles started divorce proceedings, according to Blake. Lori says she saw Lori with three phones – one was her personal phone, the other phone was just for Chad and Gibb is unsure about the third phone.
10:45 a.m. Lori told Gibb that every time she got together with Chad, she would ask Jesus what was acceptable and appropriate about what activities to do with Chad. If she felt it was ok, she would meet up with Chad at hotels.
10:43 a.m. Blake continues with her questioning of Gibb. Prior to Charles’s death, Gibb says she had conversations with Lori about her relationship with Chad. Gibb says Lori told her they really loved each others, they had missions together and multiple lives. There was physical affection and contact.
10:41 a.m. Chad and Prior are both staring at Gibb. Gibb has her back toward them from the stand and is looking at the empty juror seats.
10:40 a.m. The attorneys have walked into the courtroom. Judge takes the bench and asks for jurors to be brought back in.
10:34 a.m. Gibb is sitting on the stand. Chad is sitting at the defense table staring down.
10:30 a.m. We are back in the courtroom. All of the attorneys have been summoned to Judge Boyce’s chambers.
10:10 a.m. Interesting development during this break. Those of us in the gallery were held back and reminded to follow courtroom conduct rules because a phone alarm went off this morning. As Melanie Gibb was in the hallway for the break, a lady waiting in line to get inside tells me a man ran after Gibb to serve her with papers. Gibb refused to take it and John Prior came out of the courtroom saying, ‘Where is he? Where is he?’ Prior then told Gibb she has to take the papers. The prosecutors came out and said she can’t be served a subpoena while on the stand. It appears Prior wants Gibb as a defense witness too.
9:58 a.m. We are now headed to our morning break. Be back in 30 minutes.
9:57 a.m. Chad and Lori were super excited to be together. They were talking to several people at the kitchen table and were excited to share their future plans together. There were no signs of grief from Chad. Tammy was still alive. In the courtroom, Chad leans over to Prior and whispers something in his ear.
9:55 a.m. Gibb spoke with Lori about four days after Charles was killed. Gibb says there was no sign of sadness or grief. Lori seemed happy. When Gibb spoke with Alex, she says he seemed thoughtful and unsure of himself. Gibb saw Chad a few weeks after Charles died. Chad was in Arizona at Lori’s house.
9:54 a.m. After Charles was killed, Gibb says Lori told her Charles came in from Texas and she grabbed his cell phone. He was really upset and Tylee grabbed a bat to protect her mom or herself. Alex went into his room to get a gun to defend himself and then shot Charles, Gibb recalls.
9:53 a.m. Lori told Gibb that Alex was going to protect her. Blake asks if there was anything unusual about Lori and Alex’s relationship. She says they were very close but nothing unusual. Gibb says Alex was designated as Lori’s protector. “His mission in life was to protect Lori – that’s why he came here.” She says Chad told Lori this about Alex.
9:52 a.m. Gibb started to believe that Charles might be possessed. She had met him a few times but did not know him well. Most of what she knew about Charles came from Lori. In July 2019, Gibb stayed and Lori’s house but Lori asked her to leave. “I woke up early in the morning and told me I needed to leave because Charles was driving in from Texas and was going to kill her,” Gibb says.
9:51 a.m. The casting Chad attended happened in Arizona, Gibb says. Chad shakes his head no (in the courtroom) and writes notes down on a pad in front of him.
9:50 a.m. The castings started in Jan./Feb 2019 until before Charles died. If the casting was successful, the body would naturally expire, according to Gibb. Blake asks if she was ever told violence would be done to the body. “Never,” Gibb says. Gibb says others were involved in the castings more than her – people like Lori and Zulema. They knew the most about it, Gibb says.
9:49 a.m. Gibb had met Brandon and Brandon was designated as dark, according to Lori who learned it from Chad. Blake asks if castings were ever done on Tammy. Gibb says yes. Blake asks if castings were done on JJ and Tylee. Gibb does not recall.
9:47 a.m. Gibb says there were additional castings in relation to Charles. Gibb participated. They tried to cast the next evil spirit out of Charles and it worked, according to Lori. Lori said she received this information from Chad. Nothing happened to Charles and then another entity came into his body. Lori learned about this from Chad, Gibb says. Chad was present for some of the castings, Gibb says. Another casting was done on Brandon Boudreaux. Chad was present and so was Gibb. Chad shakes his head no.
9:45 a.m. Blake asks about castings and if Gibb was ever there for a casting. She was. She describes the ladies would stand in a circle. Some would say a prayer, some would send spiritual weapons. The people who were having the spirits cast of out them were not physically there. Gibb says when they did the casting for Charles, Ned left but another entity incorporated his body, according to Chad.
9:43 a.m. Lori would try to cast the evil spirit out of the body and “try to convince it to leave.” Gibb says Lori got the idea for casting from energy work. Gibb says Charles was designated a different name – Ned Schneider. Chad told Lori that the name was changed. Lori told Gibb about a dream she had when Charles was out of town. Lori says Charles and JJ were not going to come back – they were in a car crash and Charles was killed in the crash. Charles never died in a crash. After this dream, Lori told Gibb Charles turned dark.
9:42 a.m. Lori began telling Gibb about light and dark people in January 2019. The first person who turned dark was Charles. Lori got this information from Chad, according to Gibb. Lori originally told Gibb when a person became dark, their spirit would go into the spirit world but the body was still alive with a dark spirit.
9:40 a.m. Gibb says she had heard of these concepts before but not in the way Chad was teaching them. Gibb was open to learning more about these things. Chad and Lori spoke to Gibb about people switching from light to dark or dark to light. She says some evil entity could enter a person and a light person could become dark. Lori said she got this information from Chad.
9:39 a.m. Lori told other people about light and dark and multiple probations – Zulema, Melanie, Alex Cox and others. Blake asks Gibb if she knows if Chad ever shared teachings and beliefs with those people. Gibb says yes. She was present when he did. Chad is taking notes in the courtroom during Gibb’s testimony.
9:37 a.m. Lori felt her mission was to gather women for the 144,000, according to Gibb. The 144,000 is a Biblical explanation for people who would go out and gather Israel in the last day and have the power to do that, Gibb says. Blake asks where Lori got the belief. Gibb says she got it for herself but Lori shared with Chad who she believed she was. Chad agreed and told her that’s what her mission was.
9:36 a.m. In regards to multiple probations, Lori said people lived multiple lives and she would try to figure out when. Lori would ask Chad how many times people had been on the planet or other planets. Lori would then share with Gibb what Chad told her. Blake asks if people were designated with a number and then an “L” or “D” for light or dark. The numbers and letters originated from Chad, Gibb says.
9:34 a.m. Gibb says Lori would often call Chad and Chad would give her information about multiple probations. Lori would then come back and share what she learned with Gibb and another friend. Gibb says Lori shared about “light” and “dark” from Chad. Gibb says if someone was light, they made contracts with Jesus Christ before they came here. If they were dark, they made contracts with Satan. There was a scale level about how light and dark people were.
9:33 a.m. Chad stayed at Lori’s house during the conference. Alex may have stayed at the home but there were no other men there.
9:32 a.m. Charles was out of town. Gibb had read Chad’s book and Lori had read them too. Lori was interested in his books.
9:31 a.m. Lori and Chad talked often with each other at the get-together and they seemed interested at each other. Lori told Gibb that Lori and Chad had been married to each other in previous probations. Lori told Gibb they were going to be resealed in the temple to each other like they had been in previous lives together. Lori told Gibb they had gone to the temple. Charles and Tammy were both still alive.
9:30 a.m. After the conference in October, Gibb saw Chad again the next month at a conference in Arizona. Tammy was not there. Lori was. Outside of the conference, Gibb saw Chad at Lori’s house in Arizona. Blake asks about the gathering. Gibb says a small group of people met before the conference – about 20 – and Lori and her friends were there.
9:29 a.m. Gibb had contact with Lori almost daily. After January 2019, Lori started to move multiple times so it was hard for Gibb to keep in touch with her. They still spoke on the phone.
9:28 a.m. Gibb met Tylee and JJ in Lori’s house. She says Lori and Tylee had a difficult relationship and didn’t get along very well. Gibb says Lori had a lot of affection for JJ but he was autistic and he seemed “very busy for her” (meaning Lori).
9:27 a.m. Blake asks what was discussed during the drive back to Arizona. Gibb says Lori and Chad discussed multiple lives, the fact Lori was married to Moroni in a previous life, multiple probations and more. Gibb says before Lori met Chad, she talked to her about multiple lives. Lori told Gibb Chad gave her additional information at the conference – that they had been married in previous probations. Lori was receptive of the information.
9:26 a.m. Gibb says Lori and Chad were very interested in each other. Lori was married to Charles at the time and Chad was married to Tammy. Gibb had met Charles but never met Tammy. After the conference, Gibb traveled back to Arizona with Lori.
9:25 a.m. I interviewed Melanie Gibb in May 2020. You can watch that here:
9:23 a.m. Chad was selling his books at the conference. Gibb observed Lori and Chad meeting. Gibb walked into the building with Lori and can’t remember if she introduced Lori to Chad or Lori introduced herself. During testimony in the courtroom, Chad glances back and forth from the prosecutor to Gibb.
9:22 a.m. Lori approached Gibb and they started a friendship. A few weeks after they met, they went to St. George, Utah for a religious conference. Around 5-6 people all traveled to the conference in the same vehicle.
9:21 a.m. Lindsey Blake is questioning Gibb. She asks Gibb when she met Chad Daybell. She says they met a get-together on 2017. They spoke but did not keep in touch. Blake asks Gibb where she met Lori. It was in a church building in Oct. 2018.
9:20 a.m. The next witness called by the state is Melanie Gibb.
9:19 a.m. Prior has two follow up clarifying questions. Douglass is released from the stand and will not be recalled.
9:18 a.m. Wood asks about the burner phones and Prior asking if they would be a good way to have an affair. Wood follows up by saying, “Would that be a good way to hide a crime?” Douglass says yes. “If someone was having an affair and the mistresses husband dies…and then your wife dies…and you get married ten days later and there are two dead kids found on your property, would that be a reason to buy a burner phone?” Wood asks. Douglass says yes.
9:15 a.m. Wood asks about the text message between Lori and Chad concerning the $4,000 in Social Security. “Mr. Daybell was aware Lori was receiving at least $4,000,” Wood asks. Douglass responds that Chad was.
9:14 a.m. Prior has no further questions for Douglass. Wood has brief re-direct. He asks Douglass if he has seen pictures of Chad and Lori’s wedding. He says yes. Wood asks what kind of rings they are wearing. Douglass says malachite rings.
9:12 a.m. Prior asks about the malachite rings and the fact the order was canceled. Prior asks Douglass if he looked into the size of the wedding rings. The invoice said 8mm – Douglass says that is the width, not the size. Prior asks if Douglass is aware that Alex Cox proposed marriage to Zulema Pastenes. Douglass says he knows they got married but doesn’t know when the marriage took place.
9:10 a.m. Prior asks Douglass if he knows who increased the life insurance. He says he wasn’t there.
9:07 a.m. Prior asks about Tammy’s life insurance policies and says one of them was put in place years ago. Douglass says that wouldn’t surprise him. Douglass says Tammy had $300,000 in life insurance before she started working at the school. Then she started at the school and after a year, she increased her policy.
9:06 a.m. Prior asks Douglass if he knew JJ was with his father while Lori was in Hawaii and mentions that Lori was receiving Social Security money. Douglass says JJ was not getting money at that time – only Tylee was due to the death of her father.
9:04 a.m. Prior asks Douglass if he is aware Lori temporary relocated to Hawaii around Feb. 1, 2019. Douglass says there are transactions that support she was coming and going from Arizona to Hawaii. Prior asks if she was coming and going or if she had relocated. Douglass says he could not prove she relocated.
9:02 a.m. Prior asks Douglass about the south/southwest wind noted on one of his exhibits and says he finds it a little unusual to include that on a financial timeline. “The fact he checked the wind isn’t relevant to Tylee’s financials,” Prior says. Douglass says it is not relevant to the finances. Prior asks why Douglass didn’t mention the fact Chad sent a text to his wife that he was burning limbs the following morning. Douglass says it’s because he didn’t discover that.
9 a.m. Prior confirms other details with Douglass from the timeline. He asks if there are any financial links between Chad and Lori leading up to Tylee’s death. Douglass says there are no accounts linking them together.
8:58 a.m. Prior shows an exhibit displaying JJ’s financial timeline. He asks Douglass if Chad and Lori ever talked financial matters before she texted Chad about not getting the insurance money following Charles Vallow’s death. Douglass says he does have any indication of that.
8:55 a.m. Boyce reminds Prior and the witness not to talk over each other. Prior then talks over the judge and Boyce says, “Mr. Prior – you just talked right over me. Please do not do that.” Prior apologizes. He asks to display an exhibit.
8:53 a.m. Prior reviews other events. He says, “Chad Daybell has nothing to do with the transactions. You’re not trying to imply in this particular exhibit that Chad Daybell had anything to do with Charles Vallow’s death, are you?” Douglass says he built the timeline to show funding sources for Tylee.
8:52 a.m. Chad and Lori met on Oct. 26, 2018 – two days before Lori got the life insurance payment. Prior asks if Lori was anticipating the life insurance check before she met Chad. Douglass says Lori knew about the payment before she met Chad.
8:50 a.m. Prior moves along the timeline to other events in 2018. He asks if Chad knew JJ, Tylee or Lori at this time. Douglass says no. Prior points out Lori receiving a life insurance policy from Joe Ryan on Oct. 28, 2018 of over $64,000.
8:49 a.m. Prior pulls up the exhibit showing Tylee’s financial timeline. It starts with April 3, 2018 – the date of Joe Ryan’s death. Prior asks if Chad knew Lori or Tylee at this time. Douglass says there is no indication that they knew each other.
8:48 a.m. Prior asks if Lori and Chad ever co-mingled their money. Douglass says there is no indication of that.
8:47 a.m. Prior asks Douglass if you are having an affair with another woman, buying one of these phones would be an ideal way to hide it from your spouse. Douglass responds, “If you say so.” Prior says, “I didn’t say so. I’m asking you.” Douglass says sure.
8:45 a.m. Prior asks Douglass why he showed an exhibit showing Chad purchased a phone from Walmart. Douglass says he found it substantial because of the continued pattern of the purchase of cell phones. Prior asks Douglass what type of phone was purchased. Douglass can’t recall but says it’s in his report. Prior asks if it was a disposable phone. Douglass says, “Sure” and says the purchase was inexpensive.
8:42 a.m. The next exhibit is an Etsy record showing a glow in the dark malachite ring was shipped to Lori Vallow but the purchase was refunded to Lori. Douglass is unclear why. Wood has no further questions. Prior will now cross-examine.
8:40 a.m. Tylee was killed on Sept. 10. There were 29 payments after Sept. 10 to Colby Ryan totaling over $5,000.
8:39 a.m. Tylee Venmoed Colby four times during this seven month period for a total of $170, Douglass says. On Sept. 10, 2019, the funding source changed on the account but Venmo activity continued.
8:37 a.m. Wood shows the exhibit on the screen. Douglass says the only funding source for Tylee’s Venmo account was her JP Morgan Chase account until Sept. 2019. From Jan. 7 – Aug. 7, her primary Venmo activity was to Colby Ryan, her older brother, and Kelsee Benson, his girlfriend. Tylee also sent money on Venmo one time to two of her friends.
8:34 a.m. Wood is questioning Douglass. Douglass explains he reviewed Venmo records in relation to Tylee and Lori. Wood asks to admit a timeline of Venmo activity showing Tylee’s account and two accounts belonging to Lori.
8:30 a.m. FBI Forensic Accountant Michael Douglass will be back on the stand this morning. Judge Boyce is on the bench and jurors are being brought in.
8:27 a.m. We are back in the courtroom this morning. Chad Daybell is wearing a checked dress shirt with a golden yellow tie. He is sitting next to John Prior. Fremont County Prosecuting Attorney Lindsey Blake, Madison County Prosecuting Attorney Rob Wood, Fremont County Deputy Prosecutor Rocky Wixom and Special Prosecutor Ingrid Batey are at the prosecution table.
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