Four students murdered at University of Idaho *ARREST*

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Got my Masters degree from here. :(

Killer who stabbed 4 Idaho students to death still at large​

The killer — or killers — who stabbed four University of Idaho students to death remained at large Tuesday, prompting many students to leave the campus in the idyllic small town despite police assurances that there was no imminent risk to the community.

So many students had left the scenic tree-lined campus in Moscow, Idaho, by Tuesday that university officials said a candlelight vigil scheduled for the next day would instead be held after the Thanksgiving break.

The students, all close friends, were found dead in an off-campus rental home around noon on Sunday, and officials said they likely were killed several hours earlier. Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt told the Spokane, Washington-based television station KXLY that her preliminary investigation showed the students were stabbed to death. There is no indication that substance use was involved in the deaths, Mabbutt said.
 
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OK, so the “dream like state” was probably alcohol related. That makes sense. But bringing in a vacuum cleaner? I didn’t think he was in there that long. Long enough to clean anything, actually.
If it was a handheld or portable/cordless, maybe.
Would be interested to see if the crime scene reported noted anything about vacuum tracks. (Probably not likely with a handheld, but maybe.)
Wonder if the witness roommate heard any vacuuming, or just saw the vacuum?
I actually wouldn't put it past him to have taken preventative measures like that, based on who he is and his background. Though it seems outlandish for most.
 
Shakeup hits Bryan Kohberger’s defense after judge rules to keep DNA for Idaho murder trial
The defense team for Moscow college student homicides suspect Bryan Kohberger is undergoing a shakeup. Jay Logsdon, North Idaho’s state public defender and co-counsel for Kohberger’s defense, will be replaced for his capital murder trial, a Thursday court order said. Taking Logsdon’s spot is a Northern California attorney who specializes in DNA and previously testified as a paid consultant for the defense in the case.

Bicka Barlow, formerly of the San Francisco Public Defender’s Office, joins the trio of lawyers defending Kohberger. Since 2013, she has run a private law office with a focus on cases that involve forensic DNA evidence, according to her website.

No reason was listed for the attorney substitution in the high-profile case. Patrick Orr, spokesperson for the Idaho State Public Defender’s Office, where Logsdon is employed, declined to comment to the Idaho Statesman on the move, citing the standing gag order in the Kohberger case.


The timing of the attorney swap, about five months ahead of trial, doesn’t come as a shock, Joshua Ritter, a criminal defense attorney in Los Angeles and host of true crime podcast “Courtroom Confidential,” told the Statesman. Instead, the action represented the defense “fine-tuning who will be the in-court attorneys,” he said.

“To me, it’s a swift battle strategy change,” Ritter said by phone. “They realized this front of get the DNA kicked out from a legal standpoint has now been foreclosed, and now it’s time to pivot and focus on trial. And, in doing so, they needed to reorganize their trial team.”

“The heart of the prosecution is also the antithesis of the defense,” she said by phone, “and that’s, ‘How do you explain that his DNA was there on this knife sheath?’ ” she said in a phone interview with the Statesman. “So absolutely, bringing in somebody to defend against this critical piece of evidence makes sense.”

Kohberger’s attorneys have their work cut out for them now that Hippler ruled that the knife sheath DNA said to be the defendant’s will be included at trial, he said. But with her inclusion, Barlow can be expected to lead arguments about the case’s key piece of evidence to convince jurors that the crime scene DNA may not be what it appears, as Simpson’s defense succeeded in doing, Ritter said.
 
OK, so the “dream like state” was probably alcohol related. That makes sense. But bringing in a vacuum cleaner? I didn’t think he was in there that long. Long enough to clean anything, actually.
I personally don't think he had a vac. I think she saw the knife and thought it was maybe a vac attachment or some such. I like John Kelly but I think he and the other retired guy in the above article are assuming she had the object correct.

I listened to all of the above on Gray Hughes last night. She also couldn't remember the color of her eyebrows was another thing. Not all she said is in that article.

However, it did not affect probable cause and she was mostly consistent. I could be wrong but was he carrying a knife and a vacuum? I just kind of doubt it. He wouldn't pocket the knife as he didn't have the sheath... So if he had something in each hand, how did he open the door, etc.? I think she was simply mistaken in what the object was.
 
Why would someone bring a vacuum to use when they are so noisy? Are there any vacuums that aren’t noisy?

It makes sense to me. With his criminal training, he probably knows that a lot of evidence can be found on floors and carpet when a crime scene is examined. If you think that nobody is going to be alive to hear a vacuum cleaner, then why not?
 
It makes sense to me. With his criminal training, he probably knows that a lot of evidence can be found on floors and carpet when a crime scene is examined. If you think that nobody is going to be alive to hear a vacuum cleaner, then why not?
So you think he didn’t see the other roommate? She said he looked right at her. But then again, it sounds like she was alcohol impaired.
 
It makes sense to me. With his criminal training, he probably knows that a lot of evidence can be found on floors and carpet when a crime scene is examined. If you think that nobody is going to be alive to hear a vacuum cleaner, then why not?
There were two surviving roommates plus had he run a vac he could have alerted the others before he killed them and they could have fled.

I think she has the object in his hand wrong. It was dark and she doesn't even recall the color of his bushy eyebrows but she did recall the bushy eyebrows.
 
So you think he didn’t see the other roommate? She said he looked right at her. But then again, it sounds like she was alcohol impaired.

If he did see her, then he might have figured she'd called 911 and he should leave ASAP.

It's possible he looked right at her in the cracked doorway, but didn't see her in his current state of mind.
 
If he did see her, then he might have figured she'd called 911 and he should leave ASAP.

It's possible he looked right at her in the cracked doorway, but didn't see her in his current state of mind.
I'm not sure she only had the door cracked on this occasion, it refers to her opening the door and I got the impression he more walked by her standing there where she could be seen, not just behind a barely cracked door. I'm not 100 percent but think so. On the earlier occasion she had just cracked it I believe.

Regardless she felt he saw her but he walked past. I agree he looked through her and never really saw her OR he simply didn't care at that point and/or she was not of interest to him as to killing her.
 
I'm not sure she only had the door cracked on this occasion, it refers to her opening the door and I got the impression he more walked by her standing there where she could be seen, not just behind a barely cracked door. I'm not 100 percent but think so. On the earlier occasion she had just cracked it I believe.

Regardless she felt he saw her but he walked past. I agree he looked through her and never really saw her OR he simply didn't care at that point and/or she was not of interest to him as to killing her.

I seem to remember her having the door cracked. We'll eventually find out.
 
I seem to remember her having the door cracked. We'll eventually find out.
I know it was one time, another I think she may have walked out just a step or two to listen, or opened wider. Yeah, guess we will find out. I did Google it some but it wasn't clear. It just said "opened" the door, not cracked nor a crack. I didn't spend much time on it, just a quick search. Doesn't really matter.
 
OK, so the “dream like state” was probably alcohol related. That makes sense. But bringing in a vacuum cleaner? I didn’t think he was in there that long. Long enough to clean anything, actually.
I thought that was strange too. Did the witness see him vacuuming?

From post #1760 upthread this seems to indicate they found sheets with blood on them, one black glove and took vacuum bag contents from his apartment.
 
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I thought that was strange too. Did the witness see him vacuuming?

From post #1760 upthread this seems to indicate they found sheets with blood on them, one black glove and took vacuum bag contents from his apartment.
It's very common to take the contents of vac bags, just as it is common to take mops for instance. They also may have done so because of what she said but I think they would have anyhow if the search warrant was broad enough to do so. Of course I guess her saying such would add to the reason for it but I think it's pretty standard actually.
 
I get that he studied criminology and would be very careful about leaving anything at the scene, but it still takes time to vacuum, and it’s noisy. From what I remember of the timeline, he wasn’t there very long.

I’m leaning toward the theory that it wasn’t a vacuum, but some kind of a bag that was similar to that shape.
 
I get that he studied criminology and would be very careful about leaving anything at the scene, but it still takes time to vacuum, and it’s noisy. From what I remember of the timeline, he wasn’t there very long.

I’m leaning toward the theory that it wasn’t a vacuum, but some kind of a bag that was similar to that shape.
To make it worse, we all envision him walking around with a vacuum just like whatever we own. That's how we filter things.

In my head, I always thought the roommate opened her door just enough to peep out. If she wasn't back-lit, he wouldn't have seen her. I'll have to look back, but it seems to me there would have been a light source in front of him, further obstructing his view.
 
I get that he studied criminology and would be very careful about leaving anything at the scene, but it still takes time to vacuum, and it’s noisy. From what I remember of the timeline, he wasn’t there very long.

I’m leaning toward the theory that it wasn’t a vacuum, but some kind of a bag that was similar to that shape.
I agree, a vac makes no sense and believe she said a vacuum like thing and I think she probably meant an attachment like this is what I think of (below) and I think she likely saw the knife. It is too noisy, he was in and out and not taking time and it doesn't fit. Actually no one is making this an issue, I don't even think the D did, but then I only watched one thing on it.

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To make it worse, we all envision him walking around with a vacuum just like whatever we own. That's how we filter things.

In my head, I always thought the roommate opened her door just enough to peep out. If she wasn't back-lit, he wouldn't have seen her. I'll have to look back, but it seems to me there would have been a light source in front of him, further obstructing his view.
That's true, how we filter. And Kimster is thinking bag. Most people, including myself think she meant an attachment honestly, not the vac itself because I believe she said a vacuum "thing" or something on that order. I don't think of my vac or filter it that way because I don't think it was what she saw. I think she saw the knife.

Whether a crack each time or not, he either looked through her, didn't care about or made the decision to get out at that point and leave her alone, or he just plain never saw her as she thought he did (looking through her, head in another place).
 
That's true, how we filter. And Kimster is thinking bag. Most people, including myself think she meant an attachment honestly, not the vac itself because I believe she said a vacuum "thing" or something on that order. I don't think of my vac or filter it that way because I don't think it was what she saw. I think she saw the knife.

Whether a crack each time or not, he either looked through her, didn't care about or made the decision to get out at that point and leave her alone, or he just plain never saw her as she thought he did (looking through her, head in another place).
The knife instead of a crevice tool. That makes sense he didn't have the sheath by then.
 

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