Four students murdered at University of Idaho *ARREST*

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Got my Masters degree from here. :(

Killer who stabbed 4 Idaho students to death still at large​

The killer — or killers — who stabbed four University of Idaho students to death remained at large Tuesday, prompting many students to leave the campus in the idyllic small town despite police assurances that there was no imminent risk to the community.

So many students had left the scenic tree-lined campus in Moscow, Idaho, by Tuesday that university officials said a candlelight vigil scheduled for the next day would instead be held after the Thanksgiving break.

The students, all close friends, were found dead in an off-campus rental home around noon on Sunday, and officials said they likely were killed several hours earlier. Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt told the Spokane, Washington-based television station KXLY that her preliminary investigation showed the students were stabbed to death. There is no indication that substance use was involved in the deaths, Mabbutt said.
 
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This documentary on the upcoming trial for Bryan Kohberger for the Idaho murders of four college students aired after the Super Bowl. We’ve been working on it since last year.

Part 2 will air in early March followed by part 3.

Ret. Det. Cloyd Steiger and nationally known attorney Anne Bremner provide some key insights into the case along with a forensic psychiatrist who doesn’t mince words when explaining possible reasons for Kohberger’s actions.

 
That’s very interesting. Does this mean they can’t use these medical records in court?
I don't believe they can, not as it stands now anyhow. The records were provided to the P for other reasons if I understand it correctly, mitigation it sounds like, possible deal they are likely hoping for, at least that's what I'm hearing from lawyers like Scott. Their guess anyhow. If I have it right, and I think I do. While ID has no insanity defense, they also may be showing that they may be able to bring up in court issues he had or dealt with, this is jmo, but I doubt they'd ever be able to use medical or mental health records of his family members. I can't imagine that ever being allowed.
 
This documentary on the upcoming trial for Bryan Kohberger for the Idaho murders of four college students aired after the Super Bowl. We’ve been working on it since last year.

Part 2 will air in early March followed by part 3.

Ret. Det. Cloyd Steiger and nationally known attorney Anne Bremner provide some key insights into the case along with a forensic psychiatrist who doesn’t mince words when explaining possible reasons for Kohberger’s actions.



We've?
 

Unidentified blood DNA at Idaho college student homicides home could aid Kohberger defense​

Detectives who investigated the Moscow college student homicides found blood at the crime scene from two still-unidentified males, attorneys for the man charged with murder revealed at a recent hearing, hinting to a possible legal defense strategy at trial.

An unknown individual’s blood DNA was discovered on a handrail in the off-campus home where the four University of Idaho students were fatally stabbed. Another unknown blood sample was found on a glove that police located just outside the home, Bryan Kohberger’s lead defense attorney told the court late last month.

In the bed of one of the stabbing victims, police said they also found what many regard as the case’s key piece of evidence: a leather sheath for a fixed-blade knife. During processing, DNA was discovered on the sheath and later matched directly to Kohberger, police and prosecutors said. In legal filings from June 2023, his defense said the state’s claim is not from blood, but rather touch DNA on the sheath located at the violent scene.

In those same filings, the defense said, DNA from two additional males was found inside the home, as well as the male DNA found on the glove outside. Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson told the court at a hearing in August 2023 that those DNA samples were not uploaded to try to identify them through the FBI’s national DNA database, known as CODIS, because they were not eligible based on the criteria.

It was not publicly known until last month’s court hearing that at least two of the unknown male DNA samples came from blood. And the type of the third male DNA sample remains unclear, as does if its source has since been identified.
 

Unidentified blood DNA at Idaho college student homicides home could aid Kohberger defense​

Detectives who investigated the Moscow college student homicides found blood at the crime scene from two still-unidentified males, attorneys for the man charged with murder revealed at a recent hearing, hinting to a possible legal defense strategy at trial.

An unknown individual’s blood DNA was discovered on a handrail in the off-campus home where the four University of Idaho students were fatally stabbed. Another unknown blood sample was found on a glove that police located just outside the home, Bryan Kohberger’s lead defense attorney told the court late last month.

In the bed of one of the stabbing victims, police said they also found what many regard as the case’s key piece of evidence: a leather sheath for a fixed-blade knife. During processing, DNA was discovered on the sheath and later matched directly to Kohberger, police and prosecutors said. In legal filings from June 2023, his defense said the state’s claim is not from blood, but rather touch DNA on the sheath located at the violent scene.

In those same filings, the defense said, DNA from two additional males was found inside the home, as well as the male DNA found on the glove outside. Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson told the court at a hearing in August 2023 that those DNA samples were not uploaded to try to identify them through the FBI’s national DNA database, known as CODIS, because they were not eligible based on the criteria.

It was not publicly known until last month’s court hearing that at least two of the unknown male DNA samples came from blood. And the type of the third male DNA sample remains unclear, as does if its source has since been identified.

I wonder why we've never heard of this before. There may be perfectly rational explanations, if these are indeed true. At best, it would mean others helped him, not that he's innocent.
 
I wonder why we've never heard of this before. There may be perfectly rational explanations, if these are indeed true. At best, it would mean others helped him, not that he's innocent.
Probably previous friends or visitors to the residents at the house. It doesn't mean that they were associated with the perp. Just weeks before the murders, he was sacked from his WSU job for inappropriate behaviour and they are looking at his MH records too. His best bet is to do a deal.
 
Of course the D will try to use such but doesn't phase me too much. Each are a lot different than something found in bed with the victims that relates to a weapon that was more than likely used in the attacks.

The glove was outside and may have nothing to do with anything. In fact a YTer (who I dislike intensely) found a glove when making a show after the fact and I wonder if it is that one. He made it seem like LE didn't look very hard but 1) I look at the source; and 2) who knows if it was even there when LE was there. If it's that glove, but even if it is not, doesn't hold a lot of weight imo.

As for the hand rail, the blood could be from ten years ago or from recent years, parties were constant, etc. In no way can it be related to a time period nor this crime. Again, of course the D will try to make it into something. The sheath can be reasonably assumed to relate to the murders for many reasons. It was in the bed of the dead victims. It is highly unlikely it's been in the bed for days or even weeks prior to the murders. One can date it reasonably to the time of the murders based on location, and the fact it housed a weapon and more.

I don't think anyone was with BK, I think he was a lone wolf, at least with the killings. Did they compare the blood of each of the three to each other? Just woke up, haven't read the link.

It's getting ridiculous when D attys are trying to claim such things should be put into probably cause or arrest warrants. It still would have been granted just as the judge more or less said and so there is no need imo, nor does everything but the kitchen sink go into such.

Anyhow, I doubt college party houses are professionally cleaned between tenants and who knows if these kids kept the place clean but I will bet money they aren't cleaning windows and bannisters/railings. Let the D try to negate with such, it doesn't take away the sheath, etc.

They don't elaborate as to why it could not be put into Codis. I wish they would. Perhaps because there simply isn't enough cause as they can't relate these things to the murders.

Ann Taylor doesn't impress me (as it was said early on she would). She doesn't have anything and is trying the usual stuff we see with Ds lately. Oh and a Frank's hearing of course. She basically asked the judge to change the law or procedures in a recent thing. She does constitutional type challenges. Haven't seen a whole lot more other than a big to do of how they went about the genetic DNA thing which hasn't went anywhere.

Such didn't even deserve this long of a post imo, I don't find it big news at the moment or even worrisome news. I guess we shall see but again the sheath can be reasonably dated, these other things can't, not even close, nor does it take that away.
 
This documentary on the upcoming trial for Bryan Kohberger for the Idaho murders of four college students aired after the Super Bowl. We’ve been working on it since last year.

Part 2 will air in early March followed by part 3.

Ret. Det. Cloyd Steiger and nationally known attorney Anne Bremner provide some key insights into the case along with a forensic psychiatrist who doesn’t mince words when explaining possible reasons for Kohberger’s actions.


I'll try to give this a watch tonight
 

Witness to Idaho college murders saw intruder with bushy eyebrows carry out vacuum​

A surviving housemate of four University of Idaho students killed in a home invasion knife attack told detectives she saw a bushy-eyed intruder walking out the back door with a "vacuum-type object in his hand," after looking her in the eyes, according to newly unveiled court documents.

The revelation came in Judge Steven Hippler's denial of 30-year-old suspect Bryan Kohberger's motion for a Franks hearing — a rare legal proceeding in which the defendant has a chance to attack the warrants in court before trial.

His defense had attacked the witness's credibility, arguing that she admitted to being in a dreamlike state after witnessing the traumatic attack. The judge said the argument could be "fodder" for cross-examination at trial but had no bearing on the probable cause used to justify the suspect's arrest.

Although the judge said she was likely drunk during the murders, he explained that her statements to investigators on three separate occasions included a "notably similar" description of the suspect each time. She said he was a tall White male, lean and taller than she was.

Each time, she said she heard an unknown male voice telling someone else in the house he was "here to help" and that he walked out the rear sliding door without saying anything to her. Kohberger's defense had argued police unfairly paraphrased her comments in the original probable cause affidavit, but the judge rejected that notion.

While she left out the vacuum detail when speaking with an officer, she later mentioned it in two separate discussions with detectives.

However, she also admitted that her memory was "fuzzy and cloudy," according to the documents.

"Everything was kind of blurry," she told investigators. "Like I don't fully remember it, I would say."

Other evidence, however, corroborated her timeline and the suspect's description, Hippler found, and leaving her confusion out of the affidavit did not impact probable cause.

What they're saying:

"If he was exceptionally careful, and wore booties, etc., it could explain lack of other forensics," said Paul Mauro, a retired NYPD inspector who has been closely following the case. "Especially if it was a wet vac."

A search warrant return related to Kohberger's apartment in Pullman, Washington, where he was studying for a Ph.D. in criminology, shows police took the dust container from a Bissell PowerForce vacuum from a closet near the front door, where they also found a black glove and receipts.

An online search shows Bissell's PowerForce lineup consists of canister, or upright, vacuums, most of which appear bulky but a few of which are described as compact and lightweight. Details about the seized vacuum's contents were not included with the filing.

"He was probably trying to clean up hair and fiber," said John Kelly, a criminal profiler and psychoanalyst who has interviewed multiple serial killers. Kelly has previously said he believes a suspect such as Kohberger would have used his graduate-degree experience in criminology to attempt to clean up and stage a crime scene.

Police arrived at Kohberger's Washington apartment shortly after he was arrested at his parents' house in Pennsylvania during the winter break from classes. They found no shower curtains inside, and the trash cans had been emptied.

What they did collect were hair samples and bedding with blood on it. Detectives noted that they believed Kohberger had pre-planned the attack and may have reviewed other knife murders before the quadruple slaying. Police also searched his office but collected no physical evidence there.
 

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