MO LISA IRWIN: Missing from Kansas City, MO - 3 Oct 2011 - Age 10 months

Lisa was last seen at her home in the 3600 block of North Lister Avenue in Kansas City, Missouri on October 3, 2011. Her mother, Deborah Bradley, put her to bed in her crib with her pacifier, blanket and some toys.

Deborah last saw her daughter at either 6:40 or 10:30 p.m. (Accounts differ.) That evening, she was also caring for the Lisa's two older half-brothers, who were asleep in another room. She later admitted she'd been drinking wine that night and had gotten drunk. She was also taking prescription medication for anxiety.

Lisa's father, Jeremy Irwin, an electrician, came home from work at approximately 4:00 the next morning and they discovered Lisa was gone. Several lights in the house were on, Lisa's bedroom window was open, the front door was unlocked and three cellular phones were reportedly missing.

Lisa's parents called 911 to report her disappearance shortly at 4:00 a.m. An extensive search of the immediate area turned up no sign of the baby.

Authorities stated Lisa's mother and father were less than cooperative with the investigation, something Deborah and Jeremy denied. They were engaged to be married at the time of Lisa's disappearance, although Deborah was still legally married to another man, and had a six-year-old son by him.

Deborah and her husband had been separated for about four years by 2010, and he was serving in the Army. Her husband stated he didn't believe Deborah would have harmed Lisa or been involved in her disappearance.

Three different witnesses saw a man walking down the road about three miles from Lisa's home at approximately 4:00 a.m. that night, carrying a baby dressed only in a diaper. It's unclear whether the sightings are connected to Lisa's case.

Authorities haven't named any suspects in the child's disappearance. Her parents have stated they believe she was abducted from her home late on October 3 or early on October 4, possibly by a person who wanted to raise a baby. Lisa's case remains unsolved.


NCMEC -

Have you seen this child? Lisa Irwin

Missing From: KANSAS CITY, MO. Missing Date: Oct 3, 2011 12:00:00 AM. Lisa's photo is shown age-progressed to 7 years. She was last seen at home on October 3, 2011 at approximately 6:00 p.m. Lisa has a birthmark on her right thigh. She was last known to be wearing purple pants and a purple shirt...

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NamUs -

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

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Charley Project -

Lisa Renee Irwin – The Charley Project

Wikipedia -

Disappearance of Lisa Irwin - Wikipedia

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Lisa has a birthmark on her right outer thigh. Two of her bottom teeth had erupted by the time of her disappearance, and she had a small bug bite under her left ear. Her nickname is Pumpkin Pie. She was last known to be wearing purple pants and a purple shirt with kittens on it.

LISA IRWIN is still missing from Kansas City, MO since 3 Oct 2011. She was only 10 mos. old when she disappeared.

Lisa was last seen at her home in Kansas City, Missouri. Her mother, Deborah Bradley, put her to bed in her crib with her pacifier, blanket and some toys. She later admitted she'd been drinking wine that night and had gotten drunk. She was also...

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[Regina]

Im not sure why you are having such a hard time finding that info since I was able to find at least two articles that mentioned it in just a couple of minutes.

Well you're assuming I've been looking but I haven't, lol. It's just something that hasn't come up.

 

[Guess Who]

Well you're assuming I've been looking but I haven't, lol. It's just something that hasn't come up.

yes, when you mention that you dont believe something because you haven't come across it, we assume you are actually looking for that info.

 

[Regina]

yes, when you mention that you dont believe something because you haven't come across it, we assume you are actually looking for that info.

So regardless of where Tanko went or said he'd been, LE were all over the place and I wouldn't expect a guy with a warrant to stick around, would you?
As for Dane, I've since learned info that the call to Megan's phone didn't go through- that no one other end was even aware of it- which causes me to think that the deletion of the call log and messages wasn't associated with Lisa's disappearance.

 

[Guess Who]

So regardless of where Tanko went or said he'd been, LE were all over the place and I wouldn't expect a guy with a warrant to stick around, would you?
As for Dane, I've since learned info that the call to Megan's phone didn't go through- that no one other end was even aware of it- which causes me to think that the deletion of the call log and messages wasn't associated with Lisa's disappearance.

Yet he did. For MONTHS. His warrant was open for about a year prior to this. He was in no way, shape or form in any kind of laying low. You don't start bar fights if you're laying low, do you. He was kicked out of more bars than one for his very not laying low behavior. He was breaking into places and stalking stuff while not laying low. He knew they weren't going to put in the effort to find him for a low level warrant until they justran across him. Months. Nearly a year. He didn't lay low until that night.

I've always believed that the call didn't go through because of the non payment but they still had a record of the attempt and it 100% connects these people to it. There is no getting around that fact, whether it went through or not it was still Megan's phone that was at least attempted to be called by one of the family's phone.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Currently, I’m looking at evidence via dismissing the parents. So if somebody took the baby, I’m trying to figure out why in the world they would do it?

Yeah, I get it. Including your next post about having a granddaughter how old. Certain ones hit me harder than others too for an unmentioned reason you know.

There is no certainty in this case imo (by the way I am just catching up here, haven't yet entirely at all, yours are first posts I see, just to be clear), and I guess someone could have come in and taken her, entirely possible, but then lots of questions in that direction too if so.

And it was 2011, not like the 1970s meaning there would be cell phones, cameras, etc. I just don't know.

I also think most of us if such happened, I know I would, even if all done perfectly be beating myself up for the rest of my life if it was under my watch. Not saying anyone should, I just know I would. We do in fact and there isn't a thing we could have done (in our case). But the what ifs...

No idea here. I do have trouble seeing some idiots doing it and getting away with it. But who knows?

 

[GrandmaBear]

I wonder which was the after thought if she was taken. Her or the phones. The group of people associated with the phone call are all proven thieves so I'm thinking the phones (or stuff thieves steal, in general) were the target and then something made them feel like taking the baby. Possibly thinking she would wake the others up and get caught? Possibly babbling and reaching out for somebody to take her out of the crib and voila?

I still think more could have been done if the cousin(?) hadn't blasted online immediately about the phones being also taken. I feel that they left that off the pressers on purpose to see if they could track them, but know the thieves knew that and dumped them.

And then they did what with her? I am not being sarcastic, I'm curious as to what you think? Killed her? Sold her? Kept her and tried to find a "buyer"? after the fact?

There are a lot of questions too if this is what happened.

 

[Guess Who]

And then they did what with her? I am not being sarcastic, I'm curious as to what you think? Killed her? Sold her? Kept her and tried to find a "buyer"? after the fact?

There are a lot of questions too if this is what happened.

No clue, but for those that think the mom did it, explain how because with all the things that tie this group of misfits to it, it sure seems like that is the most likely of all. Drunk people are sloppy and she had no phone. I can't see how she could have pulled this off without leaving a trace, especially if she is as drunk as people and her claim she was.

 

[Guess Who]

The one thing most of the locals here understand is that if the baby was put in the river, it was not anywhere near the area of their house, especially for those of us that have actually been down there near that time. The very few places that did have cameras then, were the businesses near the river because of people just like Jersey and crew. Anybody walking or driving down those few roads would have been on camera. Further up or down stream a few miles, sure, but that also takes her out of the equation. Those that even think she definitely 100% did it that I have talked to, don't believe she threw her in the river.

 

[Kimster]

No clue, but for those that think the mom did it, explain how because with all the things that tie this group of misfits to it, it sure seems like that is the most likely of all. Drunk people are sloppy and she had no phone. I can't see how she could have pulled this off without leaving a trace, especially if she is as drunk as people and her claim she was.

As much as I wish she would’ve been alert that night and this all could’ve been prevented, the fact that she was verifiably intoxicated proves to me that she couldn’t have taken the baby out of there and done something with her before Jeremy got home. It would even be difficult even if she hadn’t been intoxicated with that short of a timeline, not to mention the two boys that were there with her..

 

[Guess Who]

As much as I wish she would’ve been alert that night and this all could’ve been prevented, the fact that she was verifiably intoxicated proves to me that she couldn’t have taken the baby out of there and done something with her before Jeremy got home. It would even be difficult even if she hadn’t been intoxicated with that short of a timeline, not to mention the two boys that were there with her..

Exactly! then add that drunks are not stealthy nor quiet. There would have been evidence, yet we have two separate cases of people witnessing a man carrying a baby that night with similar descriptions of both man and baby in the time of her disappearance. Then we also add the layer of the attempted phone call and that circle of misfits that are directly linked to that area at that time and were practiced at the art of breaking and entering, theft and deception and slinking around at night.

 

[Guess Who]

As much as I wish she would’ve been alert that night and this all could’ve been prevented, the fact that she was verifiably intoxicated proves to me that she couldn’t have taken the baby out of there and done something with her before Jeremy got home. It would even be difficult even if she hadn’t been intoxicated with that short of a timeline, not to mention the two boys that were there with her..

At least one, if not both of the boys were also said to be in bed with her, too. Pretty hard to not wake at least one up with all of the activity that would take, especially if she was drunk.

 

[Guess Who]

Plus, Jersey admitted to Cyndi Short that he had 3 phones that night and that he stashed them. Sure sounds like he's involved by his own words to me.

 

[Kimster]

At least one, if not both of the boys were also said to be in bed with her, too. Pretty hard to not wake at least one up with all of the activity that would take, especially if she was drunk.

I think both boys were in the bed when Jeremy got home.

 

[Kimster]

Plus, Jersey admitted to Cyndi Short that he had 3 phones that night and that he stashed them. Sure sounds like he's involved by his own words to me.

AND he admitted to MK that he told Cyndi the same.

 

[Guess Who]

AND he admitted to MK that he told Cyndi the same.

Yep. Still didn't deny that.

 

[Guess Who]

Just thinking about how he had admitted to having the phones to two females. I wonder if they only had men question him in the beginning.

 

[Kimster]

Just thinking about how he had admitted to having the phones to two females. I wonder if they only had men question him in the beginning.

Interesting that you picked up on that! I was thinking along the same lines when he was seemingly relaxed with MK. Maybe he feels he's wiser/smarter/better than women so he doesn't have to be on guard. Plus, with MK he was in his own yard.

 

[Guess Who]

Interesting that you picked up on that! I was thinking along the same lines when he was seemingly relaxed with MK. Maybe he feels he's wiser/smarter/better than women so he doesn't have to be on guard. Plus, with MK he was in his own yard.

I see it that he thinks he's charming and yes, in his own yard. Mezmorized that he had MK in his yard, talking to him. He sure was holding into that ladder and wasn't coming down. I bet his knees were quaking, especially after they left

 

[Guess Who]

Seems like he also kept his focus on her and tried to keep Stanton out of his sight.

 

[Regina]

Tanko got me to thinking (lol); he said he didn't know whether to believe it was true that one of the Irwin phones called Megan's number- that the police are known to lie (lol) and while I believe Megan's number was dialed, I'm wondering what beyond that is fact and what isn't.
Remember, when Megan was first on the news, she said LE told her there was a 50 second call to her number at 8pm and I believe her that she was told that and so if that isn't true, I'm wondering what the strategy was for lying about it, I mean, why lie about the time?