JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

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Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events
  • April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
  • December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
  • February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
  • February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
  • June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
  • July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
  • August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
  • September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
  • September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
  • September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
  • September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
  • October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
  • October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
  • October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
  • October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
  • Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
  • November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
  • November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
  • December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
  • December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
  • December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
  • January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
  • January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee
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REXBURG — Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua "JJ" Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.
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Tresir said:
Not sure what you mean.
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I meant was unsure if we will hear their testimonies, remains to be seen if the P will call them. They aren't the most willing of witnesses imo. They have done what was needed (eventually) but don't want to be in it imo.

The other paragraph I was talking of their interviews. I can't recall but pretty sure they were when the kids went missing, perhaps they were called in about Charles too, there has been so much, I'm not even sure any longer but they did interview with LE.
 
GrandmaBear said:
Adam said too that it was as if she wanted to tell him something, and she was upset at his parents' home or some such. Not sure if Colby said that or not but sounds familiar.

Tylee was definitely USED and MANIPULATED by her mother. She could have been played here though too. I mean Lori manufactures Charles coming inside, a big fight, and Tylee comes running...
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I agree partly but it only happened because Charles forgot his phone, left with JJ then came back for it. That wasn't "manufactured" by Lori but she took advantage and wouldn't give it back right?
 
Tresir said:
We wouldn't have known about the date because she only found out he was dead five months after. There is so much that cannot come out. I would like to watch the interview of Lori and Tylee again as it is ages since i watched it. Will they be able to use those in this trial?
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I mean even heard of the date in the years since. We have heard a ton of other stuff.

Kay made it clear in her interview with Justin they have to really watch it to avoid ID in their testimony. I'm not sure what all else was excluded or can't be mentioned.

If I am reading it correctly (interpreting I mean) the P would LOVE the door to come open but the P's witnesses or the P cannot intentionally do that. If Lori opens that door however, it is a different story.

I don't know if I ever learned how the judge ruled about any of it coming in by the P. I mean the fact she is convicted of other conspiracies AND that her lover's wife was killed for life insurance certainly seems relevant to me... Last I knew he hadn't made that decision as to what if anything can come in.

I don't have it in me to rewatch anything, I did so much of it on this case over the years. Yeah, now I am wondering what was said in this one or that one again, but I just don't have it in me lol. It is enough just keeping up with the trial.
 
GrandmaBear said:
I meant was unsure if we will hear their testimonies, remains to be seen if the P will call them. They aren't the most willing of witnesses imo. They have done what was needed (eventually) but don't want to be in it imo.

The other paragraph I was talking of their interviews. I can't recall but pretty sure they were when the kids went missing, perhaps they were called in about Charles too, there has been so much, I'm not even sure any longer but they did interview with LE.
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I think they are defence witnesses. Will have to go back and check.
 
Tresir said:
If he was there just to protect them, maybe they didn't know about the intervention. If he was there to kill Charles, then I think they knew of the intervention beforehand either from family or contacts in the church. Once she got hold of his phone that morning she likely read about it then. Definitely after he was killed as the evidence shows.

To prove conspiracy they will need to prove that she knew and intended to have him shot beforehand by Alex IMO. I don't believe that has been proved yet, do you?

They do already have a motive, the $2m life insurance policy which she did not know he had already changed. That hasn't been mentioned yet has it?
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Does anyone remember (from way back when) what reason Alex gave for spending the night with Lori? That would have been the night Adam planned to spend with him. Instead, Alex headed to Lori's that night with a gun.
 
Tresir said:
I thought he did at first when he couldn't raise Alex then arranged to stay with Zac at his parents. At Lori's, Charles left his phone on the countertop when he put JJ in the car. When he came back to get it, Lori wouldn't give it to him so the row started. She would have read some of the texts by then. Tylee came out with the bat etc etc. So she could have, at the very least, found out about the intervention then, but already could have planned his murder for the Life insurance anyway.
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Yeah if you believe her version of the story/their version. That's the problem, no one else is alive to confirm or deny it. I try not to assume as fact anything a perp says.

I believe they had full intentions of murdering Charles that day and it did not just happen due to a fight as she claims.

She is telling everyone he is dark, has an evil spirit, etc., in him. They MAY have moved up the plan I guess is possible. And they were just way too calm, collected, story planned and so on. Alex's fake self defense wound.

Text messages imo are going to be a big part here but I'm not sure how they bring them in?

Kay last night was saying this jury is hard to read and that she isn't good at it anyhow. Sounds like they aren't taking near the notes they did in ID nor asking the questions they could. Her brother said they are very stoic. However, juries generally are that I've seen, they try to remain expressionless and so on.

I think that show might have been Thursday night but I just saw it last night. With Justin. It was a good watch.

I'm giving up for the moment about when she knew about the intervention. It isn't getting us anywhere as the answer isn't there. It may be somewhere in the past but I wouldnt know where to look.
 
RoundPeg said:
Does anyone remember (from way back when) what reason Alex gave for spending the night with Lori? That would have been the night Adam planned to spend with him. Instead, Alex headed to Lori's that night with a gun.
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My hazy recollection is her family endorsed the idea and I believe Summer for some reason just because of the problems between the two and not sure if it was also due to the knowing Charles was trying to get her help, the issues, etc. Of course that does not mean it was not Lori's idea or she helped with reason for it... I mean they had had cops involved and I think she did know some of what he was trying to do like make her get a mental eval and so on.

I can't recall specifically what alex said though, or even Lori.

And I will say this, I had in the past my brother around in a tense breakup situation so that in itself is probably not unusual. He didn't come armed though or with extra ammunition..........

I was not in a safe feeling situation and asked him to come. I wasn't worried about anything like murder though.

Lori seemed to be the aggressor here though.

I think Lori said and played that Charles was dangerous to her family and to others. That she nor the kids were safe. I don't know if we will ever know all of it.

I wish I had a better answer. I am NOT lol going to go back and watch all those interviews.
 
GrandmaBear said:
Tylee coming out of the bedroom with the bat is their story, doesn't mean it is true. It could be though and she either went along with the ambush plan or they played her. This all was a planned ambush imo. It could have been as simple as Lori telling her if you hear any arguing, get your bat and come running, playing her that way, or Lori knew that's what Tylee would do in such a circumstance.

This was a planned murder.

Imo.
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This is why i want to rewatch Tylee's police interview that day. And probably Lori's, if I have too. Will they show all 3 interviews in court ? - Lori, Alex and Tylee - or can they only show Lori's?
 
Tresir said:
This is why i want to rewatch Tylee's police interview that day. And probably Lori's, if I have too. Will they show all 3 interviews in court ? - Lori, Alex and Tylee - or can they only show Lori's?
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I have no idea as to what they will or can show. I'm a bit case and life overloaded I think lol.

If you have it in you, do rewatch them and share anything that seems to relate. I would to refresh if I had it in me but I don't. Even going about finding them, I mean Lori and Tylee had another interview there when Charles wanted her to get a mental eval so there are others.

I recall some things. Like they were all pretty darned nonchalant considering what happened.
 
Tresir said:
No i didn't say that, I am pretty sure. I thought you said that LOL.
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LOL no I am pretty sure I never said who was on anyone's list other than I know Lori has the family members on hers and I said that way back if at all. You are the one who has been on about the witness lists. I MAY have said they might be able to clarify some of this but would not have known if they were on the witness list. For the PROSECUTION I mean. I do know Lori has her family on hers. That is the D though.

LOL. I don't know anymore. It has been quite the week. I have a feeling the rest of life is going to be like that.
 
Tresir said:
Yes, cockney rhyming slang is way out there but some has entered into the vernacular. I thought I would chuck it in as Kimster mentioned she liked hearing stuff like that. My mother was actually a Cockney. Definition of a cockney is to be born within the area of the sound of Bow Bells in London.

Here's another recording I found today. This is from Adam and is about Lori, Charles, Alex, Tylee and the Cox family. It's interesting background to Lori's beliefs and Charles' death. Adam says what you just said upthread - did they lure him in? Also, he says how did Lori and Lori's mum know about his and Charles' texts unless she had read it on Charles' phone. He says that she had Charles' phone for more than two hours after his death and had already spoken to their mother about it. He says noone told him Charles was dead although they all knew. It took a friend googling Charles' name to tell him what had happened to him.

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Just bringing this forward as it explains some of what we have been discussing.
 
Tresir said:
Just bringing this forward as it explains some of what we have been discussing.
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I actually have put this on while doing things, to see what it was about. All Adam about that weekend so far. Good find. I don' know how you even know where to look, there is so much through the years. I almost didn't click into it as I just don't have it in me but this is good... Some minutes in.
 
THIS is where I got some of the things I think. The family knew Charles was dead, well the rest of them, and knew things, yep. All fitting in.
 
I don't know how you know what to find. I couldn't have done it. I have seen and heard all these things but couldn't tell ya anymore nor know where to find the right thing for the right answers.
 
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