AHMAUD ARBERY: Georgia vs Greg & Travis McMichael & William Bryan for murder *GUILTY*

Mother seeks justice after son shot while jogging in Brunswick, pair involved in killing not arrested

It’s been over two months since a young black man jogging in Brunswick, Ga., was gunned down by two white men...

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Mother seeks justice after son shot while jogging in Brunswick, pair involved in killing not arrested

It’s been over two months since a young black man jogging in Brunswick, Ga., was gunned down by two white men who said they thought he was a possible burglar.

Ahmaud Arbery’s mother wants to know where is the justice.

“I just think about how they could allow these two men to kill my son and not be arrested, that’s what I can’t understand,” Wanda Cooper told news partner First Coast News.

A police report states about 1 p.m. Sunday, Feb. 23, Glynn County officers responded to Satilla and Holmes drives where shots were fired. They found Arbery, 25, dead on the scene.

Gregory McMichael, who worked several years for the Brunswick Police Department before serving as an investigator in the Brunswick District Attorney’s Office, told police there were several break-ins in the neighborhood. He said he saw Arbery running down Satilla Drive and asked his son Travis McMichael to help him confront him.

McMichael and his son got a shotgun and handgun because they “didn’t know if Arbery was armed or not.”

The father and son got into their truck and drove down Satilla toward Burford Drive. Gregory McMichael stated when they arrived at Holmes Drive, they saw Arbery running down Burford, according to the report.

Gregory McMichael told police they attempted to cut off Arbery and shouted “stop, stop, we want to talk to you.”

McMichael pulled up next to Arbery, and Travis McMichael got out of the truck with the shotgun. According to statements, that’s when the father said Arbery attacked his son and the two men started fighting over the shotgun. Travis McMichael fired a shot and then a second shot.

After video appears to show black jogger gunned down by 2 white men in coastal Georgia, family demands arrests

The fatal shooting of a black man — apparently recorded on video in February and posted online Tuesday by a local radio station host — will go to a grand jury in coastal Georg…

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After video appears to show black jogger gunned down by 2 white men in coastal Georgia, family demands arrests

The fatal shooting of a black man — apparently recorded on video in February and posted online Tuesday by a local radio station host — will go to a grand jury in coastal Georgia, according to a district attorney.

Elements of the disturbing video are consistent with a description of the shooting given to police by one of those involved in the incident.

Ahmaud Arbery, 25, was jogging in a neighborhood outside Brunswick on February 23 when a former police officer and his son chased him down, authorities said. According to a Glynn County Police report, Gregory McMichael later told officers that he thought Arbery looked like a person suspected in a series of recent break-ins in the area.

After they chased down Arbery, McMichael told police, Arbery and McMichael’s son Travis struggled over his son’s shotgun. McMichael said two shots were fired before Arbery fell to the street, the report said.


S. Lee Merritt, an attorney for the Arbery family, said in a statement that the two men involved in the chase “must be taken into custody pending their indictment.”

Gov. Brian Kemp said the Georgia Bureau of Investigation has offered resources to Durden for his investigation. “Georgians deserve answers,” Kemp tweeted.

Kemp also retweeted the GBI’s post that Durden “formally requested the GBI to investigate the death of Ahmaud Arbery.”

 

[GrandmaBear]

This is getting a bit tedious, honestly. Do you not understand the difference between public access and trespassing?

It is getting tedious. You are reminding me of some in former life and I really tried not to judge lol. I should just stay out of it and read.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I worked on construction sites for several years. I was solely responsible for overseeing a 4.5 million dollar commercial project. You can believe that or not, I'm not here to compare resumes. I know what takes place on construction sites. GCs keep substandard subcontractors and their employees around all of the time. Tools are left overnight on construction sites all of the time. Anyone who claims otherwise is either lying or hopelessly naive.

I guess I don't know. Was this a multi-million dollar commercial project???

 

[Guess Who]

I guess I don't know. Was this a multi-million dollar commercial project???

It was not and even the owner states no crimes have taken place at that site. These guys did not go out with a shotgun and chase down any of the other people.that frequented the site and did not seem to assume they were in there to steal stuff.

 

[Guess Who]

I worked on construction sites for several years. I was solely responsible for overseeing a 4.5 million dollar commercial project. You can believe that or not, I'm not here to compare resumes. I know what takes place on construction sites. GCs keep substandard subcontractors and their employees around all of the time. Tools are left overnight on construction sites all of the time. Anyone who claims otherwise is either lying or hopelessly naive.

then you know that at that stage there is nothing to steal so I'm not sure why you are insisting that there was or you do not have the experience you state. What was he going to take and exactly where was he going to hide this thing you are convinced he was there to steal?

 

[Howell]

I am entirely calm, no worries there I have worked for brilliant people and I have worked for GMs that were idiots that could not handle a single aspect of the business they oversaw if they had to. A 4.5 million dollar project means nothing to me to say anyone knows better than some because I can share some big stories that way of people overseeing such projects that were idiots or screwed up big time.

We do agree on SOME "laborers" and let us add some general contractors to that, not only employees. For a theft or something organized it would generally not be a 20 something year old jogger. Seriously, what is he going to do or what is a hand tool going to get him in his shorts' pocket? Go there how many times (if him) and steal a hammer which would be obvious itself? And get what? A $1.00 for it? Do people leave tools behind? Nowadays. Well good luck with that one. That is stupidity and it is on the GC or the homeowner to oversee it.

Jmo.

How about a 20 something year old "jogger" who repeatedly checks out the property, usually at night, hoping that the workers were lazy that day and may have left their tools on site? Or a spool of copper wire? Of course he's not going to stick those in his shorts. Once he finds something, he's going to come back later with a truck. With all due respect, you seem to be very unsophisticated in the way thieves operate.

 

[Guess Who]

A reporter asked Reynolds whether Bryan provided police any video beyond what the public has seen.
"Suffice it to say there are a number of pieces of video that helped us get to this point," Reynolds said.

Man who recorded Ahmaud Arbery's killing tried to 'confine and detain' him with his vehicle, warrant says | CNN

A man who recorded the fatal shooting of Ahmaud Arbery in Georgia was arrested in part because investigators believe he used his vehicle to try to "confine and detain" Arbery multiple times in the minutes leading to Arbery's death, an arrest warrant says.

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[Guess Who]

How about a 20 something year old "jogger" who repeatedly checks out the property, usually at night, hoping that the workers were lazy that day and may have left their tools on site? Or a spool of copper wire? Of course he's not going to stick those in his shorts. Once he finds something, he's going to come back later with a truck. With all due respect, you seem to be very unsophisticated in the way thieves operate.

then you stop him when he's there with a truck and again, what 's he going to steal at that stage? No reputable builder would allow "a spool of copper" to be laying around a job site to lure in thieves. It would either be taken off site or secured in a locked container. No electrician would want to chance having to replace that $$ out of their pocket due to sheer laziness. That's just not good project management.

 

[Guess Who]

What gets stolen from a construction site is when appliances and fixtures start getting installed or staged but by then the place can be better secured unlike at the rough in stage.

 

[Howell]

I HAVE gave you my assumption of what every one of those people that went through that house was doing. They were doing what happens on nearly every new home construction site, curious people satisfying their curiosity. Ive also asked you what you assume he was there to steal when at that phase of construction there is not much worth stealing.

None of the other people showed up at that house at night, repeatedly. Only Arbery did. Why? Was he just especially curious?

 

[Guess Who]

None of the other people showed up at that house at night, repeatedly. Only Arbery did. Why? Was he just especially curious?

And you know this how?

 

[Cousin Dupree]

And you know this how?

He doesn't.

 

[Cousin Dupree]

It wouldn't surprise me at all to find corruption in the DA's office as well.

 

[GrandmaBear]

How about a 20 something year old "jogger" who repeatedly checks out the property, usually at night, hoping that the workers were lazy that day and may have left their tools on site? Or a spool of copper wire? Of course he's not going to stick those in his shorts. Once he finds something, he's going to come back later with a truck. With all due respect, you seem to be very unsophisticated in the way thieves operate.

Of course I don't think like a thief but it is funny you use my own words, not yours, in a comeback and call me unsophisticated. I said above that they often come back with trucks or trailers, not you hon. Does Arbery have a truck? You assume so very much.

If you want unsophisticated, here is an unsophisticated remark for you--people can tell you or show you "until the cows come home" and you will still force your square pegs into round holes.

I am no legal expert nor are you quite obviously, as in comparing a bank robber to a possible trespasser. Your interpretation of the law is beyond me, however, because you do not seem to even be able to basically interpret them but enjoy insulting others and getting a rise out of people lol

I also have to tell you I don't consider a 4.5 million dollar construction project huge. It sounds like a nice home perhaps or very small business. 4.5 million is a drop in the bucket for commercial jobs. I know enough master trades people who have worked on big ones, things like municipal pools, schools, hospitals, etc. and the numbers are far bigger than that, I have also known the overall GC/company who received the bid on such jobs.

With all due respect, you come across as very young or alternatively, very stuck in your ways and stubborn in your thoughts.

With your very own arguments, you "shoot yourself in the foot" so to speak. You said yourself in this comment that he was not dressed to take anything nor did he. Everything you base this on are assumptions which is the very same thing these three men did--and that is giving them the very best benefit of the doubt and I am not sure they deserve that. Assumptions and particularly ones that cannot be supported are not a legal basis for their actions in my opinion. However, it is just an unsophisticated opinion of my own Although the GBI seems to see it far more towards what I think than towards what you think...

I think we are going to find as this case unfolds that there is far more here than we know and none of it is going to be good for these three... Jmo.

 

[GrandmaBear]

It was not and even the owner states no crimes have taken place at that site. These guys did not go out with a shotgun and chase down any of the other people.that frequented the site and did not seem to assume they were in there to steal stuff.

Totally agree.

 

[GrandmaBear]

It wouldn't surprise me at all to find corruption in the DA's office as well.

I imagine that is being looked at pretty hard as well right now.

 

[GrandmaBear]

A reporter asked Reynolds whether Bryan provided police any video beyond what the public has seen.
"Suffice it to say there are a number of pieces of video that helped us get to this point," Reynolds said.

Man who recorded Ahmaud Arbery's killing tried to 'confine and detain' him with his vehicle, warrant says | CNN

A man who recorded the fatal shooting of Ahmaud Arbery in Georgia was arrested in part because investigators believe he used his vehicle to try to "confine and detain" Arbery multiple times in the minutes leading to Arbery's death, an arrest warrant says.

www.cnn.com

I am not one bit surprised. "Multiple" times also that he used his vehicle to try to block Arbery... Of course there is more video. There may also be some homeowners in the area that have a few things to say about this and their "neighbors". That is just a guess on my part but I think it is likely. Not all people think like these men do, thank goodness.

They took more time on this third arrest which tells me they have ample evidence on him and even more on the first two. Jmo though.

 

[Guess Who]

I am not one bit surprised. "Multiple" times also that he used his vehicle to try to block Arbery... Of course there is more video. There may also be some homeowners in the area that have a few things to say about this and their "neighbors". That is just a guess on my part but I think it is likely. Not all people think like these men do, thank goodness.

They took more time on this third arrest which tells me they have ample evidence on him and even more on the first two. Jmo though.

and gained even more evidence on the first two while investigating the 3rd one. and to think that this guy thought it was smart to release this video in order to exonerate his friends. Sheesh.

 

[GrandmaBear]

and gained even more evidence on the first two while investigating the 3rd one. and to think that this guy thought it was smart to release this video in order to exonerate his friends. Sheesh.

I think so too. I think they have a LOT of evidence. Man I would not doubt they even have the pictures the daughter took of the dead victim.

I think he thought his video would help because it was a bit selective in what he tried to show... Or truly believed they had a right, SMH!

If this area was truly going through issues and is a nice area then my guess is many homeowners had security cams...

 

[KareBear]

I'm not ignoring any facts here. As I said earlier(more than once), I agree this is not a clear-cut case and is open to different perspectives. I also agree it was ill-advised for the McMichaels to have pursued him as they did, and certainly to brandish the shotgun. You need to keep in mind that the only facts and perspective offered so far have been those which the media have allowed you to hear.

Again, Arbery wasn't shot because he trespassed or because he refused to stop. That would be an entirely different story. He was shot because he ATTACKED THEM.

I'm not saying everyone else is wrong. Again, there's valid opinions being expressed on both sides. And I'm not quick to call one's opinion childish, but to compare a Girl Scout selling cookies at the door to repeated acts of trespassing... c'mon. That's obviously fallacious and Dupree knows as much.

Someone is in a vehicle being ATTACKED by a man of foot... hmmm ... they could just DRIVE AWAY.. seriously...

 

[Howell]

Of course I don't think like a thief but it is funny you use my own words, not yours, in a comeback and call me unsophisticated. I said above that they often come back with trucks or trailers, not you hon. Does Arbery have a truck? You assume so very much.

You and others keep suggesting that because he didn't steal anything that day, or because he wasn't prepared to steal expensive items that day, that he was an innocent jogger who had no nefarious intent. My point is, the fact that he didn't steal anything at that moment is meaningless.

Neither you nor anyone else has offered any reasonable explanation why a convicted thief would repeatedly trespass on a vacant construction site at night.

If you want unsophisticated, here is an unsophisticated remark for you--people can tell you or show you "until the cows come home" and you will still force your square pegs into round holes.

I am no legal expert nor are you quite obviously, as in comparing a bank robber to a possible trespasser. Your interpretation of the law is beyond me, however, because you do not seem to even be able to basically interpret them but enjoy insulting others and getting a rise out of people lol

I used that analogy as a way to compare who we should consider victims/not victims. I was not comparing the gravity of their crimes, and surely you knew that. But this is interesting, now Arbery's just a "possible" trespasser? Are you going with the other poster's rationale of 'if you don't get caught, it's not illegal'?

I also have to tell you I don't consider a 4.5 million dollar construction project huge. It sounds like a nice home perhaps or very small business. 4.5 million is a drop in the bucket for commercial jobs. I know enough master trades people who have worked on big ones, things like municipal pools, schools, hospitals, etc. and the numbers are far bigger than that, I have also known the overall GC/company who received the bid on such jobs.

With all due respect, you come across as very young or alternatively, very stuck in your ways and stubborn in your thoughts.

With your very own arguments, you "shoot yourself in the foot" so to speak. You said yourself in this comment that he was not dressed to take anything nor did he. Everything you base this on are assumptions which is the very same thing these three men did--and that is giving them the very best benefit of the doubt and I am not sure they deserve that. Assumptions and particularly ones that cannot be supported are not a legal basis for their actions in my opinion. However, it is just an unsophisticated opinion of my own Although the GBI seems to see it far more towards what I think than towards what you think...

I don't consider such a project to be huge either, nor do I claim to be an expert, I was just outlining my experience on construction sites. And yes, anyone who has spent time on them knows very well that items of value are all too often left behind and poorly secured. So if somebody says 'no contractor/tradesman would do that', they simply don't know what they're talking about.