I find it rather insulting that you need to weave this into disparaging those who believe that there was malfeasance in the Karen Read case. It is very disappointing, and discourages healthy disagreement. Whatever your personal disagreements with certain members does not need to bleed into other cases impacted by questionable law enforcement personalities or activities.
It is certainly a problem for this case that the "Lead Investigator' has been suspended without pay for actions in other cases. We should be concerned for the integrity of the case against this charged individual for the sake of this victim and all others impacted.
Ban me if you want moderators, but whatever the behind the scenes drama, this is both unnecessary and unwarranted, targeted disparagement of other members .
Make your point about this case
@GrandmaBear without round about degradation of other people's opinions. It's really simple. Pfft.
Done with it all!!
I saw your post when I was on break at work today. I think you misunderstood me but I didn't take the time to look back at my post but I don't recall doing or saying any such things as you state I did. I sure named no one nor addressed anyone here.
There aren't hardly even viewers in this thread or at least hardly ever have been where I've watched it from day one.
I just finished my 5th day of work and it was a 10.5 hour closing shift and I just got home (after 9:30). I think it best I not look back at my post right now and respond but I certainly will, probably tomorrow.
I can take it but I can also stand up for myself if I don't see the same things in it and if I do, I will certainly also apologize IF warranted. Right now I don't recall saying a thing that would warrant such.
I don't even do the Read thread because yes my opinion is different and so I let others do it and stay out of it but for rare occasion and then I stay out again. By the way it is not different on Proctor so I don't know where that idea comes from.
I will say this however, even though I'm not going to look back at my post at least until tomorrow but I recall almost all of it off the top of my head. I talked of the cases having different facts, that just a corrupt cop did not give an acquittal in Read, I went on some about the defense attorneys doing a PR campaign in the media, etc. with their "theory" and more, and that Proctor wouldn't necessarily give this man here an acquittal either.
I'm sure I talked of how they do differ and I saw this one from the start LONG before there was anything about any Proctor, or before there was a Read thread here. I probably didn't say this but Proctor's being the cop isn't going to change my opinion of the perp here as I had it long before a thing was said about that.
I said all of the above and recall doing so and not one bit of it was directed at any individual here, or should I say in the Read thread. This isn't the Read thread and again I've been in this one from the outset.
I did direct at the defense and Proctor and so on.
How that's personal or all you say here, I have no idea. But again I will go back tomorrow and take a look.
And by the way, the times I was in Read which I was here and there and off and on but not often and less so as time went on, I never once said no one was entitled to their opinion or they need to have mine.
I also do not know what you are talking about with behind the scenes drama. I don't do a thing behind the scenes so that one loses me entirely.
I'm sorry you feel this way and again, I'll address it one way or another and if I see what you see, I'll say as much as well. I am not going to however apologize for not being a shrinking violet, standing up for myself or not always having the same opinion as everyone else and I never will.
if anything was irking me at all which it wasn't at all in any strong way, it would be that this case is about Ana Walshe and the charged perp and it is not now to be the Proctor show and that alone. And that the cases aren't the same and they are not, not even close.
I will also address this right now, I never said one word about Proctor being corrupt not mattering or that it shouldn't or couldn't be used in the case. I have NEVER defended the man and it sure sounds as if I think some corrupt officer is okay.
I don't think that at all, but it doesn't mean it's enough for me to see either defendant in either case as innocent because of just that. I look at their own behaviors, actions, remarks and more. The fact they were there even as with KR. Tons of things. And it seems so did the jury, as I also think I said.
So I talked of many in the case--jury, defense, Proctor, etc. I never named ONE person here.
So that's it for now. I will address it though and if wrong, I'll address that too and if I feel like an apology is warranted, I'm not someone who wont' do that.
You know, I chat and comment in a lot of things and not just here with many people and I don't have any issue very with anyone taking me in this way. Apparently here though,, not the case for some.
Regina and I disagree a lot in our opinions and we keep talking, so what. Tresir and I have, so what. Many are on different pages in Delphi, so what, and some are on the same page on one part of the case but not another as well.
Again though, not going to reread my post tonight. I'll see.
I heard you and at least know you feel that way and took it that way and I am sorry for that. I had not a single person in my mind but was only stating my opinion and I don't know why anyone would think I did. If anything it's that now that a few have some interest in this case, it seems to be over that. It's hard for anyone to argue the commenters in this one have been nothing near the number of the other. However, I wasn't thinking of any of that either, I just mention it as the thought comes now as I write this, that I know I DID say he wasn't the whole case and this case has its own victim, its own facts, etc. And it does. It's not all about Proctor. Does that matter? Of course if they can show how it does, what he did wrong, affected the case and IF it overtakes the actual facts or shows them to be false. it did't do all that in KR and I don't think it will here, even less so probably.
Now there I find myself talking as I was in my other post from what I recall and again, how is that directed at anyone here?
But again, I'll look. I haven't even taken my shoes off yet and this is already longer than I planned and I'm going to go watch some cooking, catch up on other crimes, comments and YT on my first hour off in a week.
In the meantime, if you'd like to point out exactly where I did what you say I did, go ahead. I am going to go take a quick pic of my post but not read it, so I have it. Who knows what natural disaster, computer crash or otherwise might happen. I want to be sure we are talking of the same post...
I only recall making one and if I recall it wasn't even very long.
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