NY BROOKLYN JANE DOE: WF, 30-60, set on fire in subway car while asleep, possibly homeless - 22 Dec 2024 *DEBRINA KAWAM*

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Her NAMUS page: The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Her height was measured at 5 ft. 4 inches tall (64 inches)
Weight 197 lbs. (measured)
Hair: Partially gray, with some blonde/brown portions of hair.
Blue Eyes
Previous Dental Work
Previous Gastric Bypass Surgery
Pink tote bag near the body.
Remains not recognizable due to burning/charring
Found deceased on F train-Coney Island-Stillwell station of the NYC subway system.
Office of The Chief Medical Examiner of New York is handling the identification.
NAMUS.gov Case #: UP135543 on the Unidentified Persons page


Perp who set her on fire and fanned the flames after setting her on fire has been arrested. Video cameras recorded the perp and the attack on the woman. Authorities are in the process of collecting and submitting DNA samples.
 
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DIscussion video about why nobody helped including the police officer.

Also discusses he was not a migrant but was an illegal who had been deported once already and had got back in again illegally.

 
The dailymail.com, as you know, is a British newspaper. Although it often has borderline tabloid headlines and articles, it also does very well at publishing stories about events in America and including details about the events that American papers ignore and don't always report.

That being said, the dailymail included a few sentences about why no one on the subway grabbed a fire extinguisher to assist the victim as she was being murdered. Because the NY subway system no longer carries fire extinguishers in the subway cars. Extinguishers were REMOVED from the cars years ago. Because subway riders kept grabbing extinguishers and used them to randomly spray other people on the train. That's why.
 
The dailymail.com, as you know, is a British newspaper. Although it often has borderline tabloid headlines and articles, it also does very well at publishing stories about events in America and including details about the events that American papers ignore and don't always report.

That being said, the dailymail included a few sentences about why no one on the subway grabbed a fire extinguisher to assist the victim as she was being murdered. Because the NY subway system no longer carries fire extinguishers in the subway cars. Extinguishers were REMOVED from the cars years ago. Because subway riders kept grabbing extinguishers and used them to randomly spray other people on the train. That's why.
Well when they removed them, they should maybe have installed fire extinguishing blankets instead, which can be used to smother flames in an emergency. Also, it was suggested the police officer could have used his coat.

The DM has a US base too - hence the .com file name extension instead of the .co.uk one. That's usually how to tell if it is a US or UK reported DM article.
 
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Have you got a link for the people standing around filming and just letting her burn? How can people be so callous? AFAIK there are emergency fire blankets on tube trains generally. Also, what has happened to the NY Guardians - volunteers who would patrol the underground? Or am i remembering bygone days? ( I visited probably in late 80's/early 90's for work purposes.)

Oh and if she was caught on camera getting on the subway that morning, yet don't know who she is, how the heck do they know she is homeless?

This is just completely off the wall. Oh and what about the other "homeless" guy with burnt legs? Wouldn't he be a more likely suspect? To have one burnt victim on a subway is way unusual, but two, sounds like a serial killer or carelessness regarding fire safety.
It sounds off the wall. I don't even dare look I don't think.

Reading the posts is enough. More than.

So I'm sure I'm not as informed as some.

I'd think there would be fire blankets, and even at least security guards OR LE around.

It's such a hole that could be gone down but there sure are policing problems, not sure I knew NYC and area was one of them but it would be close to political talk to talk of some of it. It's been mentioned for sure in like OR and some other places on here in various threads.

I live in areas that police ARE out doing their job. And as far as I know they are not scared to do it. Or ignoring things or sitting around doing nothing. Or turning a blind eye.

I mean when working day in and out, I see them probably daily, one or another. We have shoplifting at work, they are there and respond to it. Plenty. I'm outside on break, they are flying by sometimes, probably accident on the interstate, on the road, dong their job, out and about. I have seen them at the local probably biggest chain gas station doing a quick lunch.

Who knows but I'll just say that NYC and area is a big, huge political area. Probably one of the biggest. I'm not saying it caused this but as far as how things are used as to cases, or jumped on, well... We are in that gap, not that there ever really is one...

I should probably bow out as it's not one I'm going to delve into, look at harder. Sounds awful as it is.

So there's TWO burned victims, Penn Station as well...

I can't light a fire here and get away with such, meaning like a camp fire even, not sure how it happens in actual public with one of the biggest PDs and # of precincts etc. in the world and in the subway! And yeah, bystanders simply record?

But again not delving into so don't know all but I believe you when you say off the wall.

And yeah, I'm guessing the guardian thing has probably long since changed. I recall it too even though never been there. First off, don't trust the news. Laws change, sentencing, all kinds of things and none of us ever even know about it. They don't inform of ANYTHING they should.
The dailymail.com, as you know, is a British newspaper. Although it often has borderline tabloid headlines and articles, it also does very well at publishing stories about events in America and including details about the events that American papers ignore and don't always report.

That being said, the dailymail included a few sentences about why no one on the subway grabbed a fire extinguisher to assist the victim as she was being murdered. Because the NY subway system no longer carries fire extinguishers in the subway cars. Extinguishers were REMOVED from the cars years ago. Because subway riders kept grabbing extinguishers and used them to randomly spray other people on the train. That's why.
Not hard to believe at all. Sh*t has become so absolutely ridiculous in this world. I mean I've livein a place someone pulls the fire alarm all of the time and seriously everyone has to evacuate, the entire fire department has to come, full sirens, and it happened so much they told the complex they were going to start charging them for false alarms. YET they won't put up cameras. Just ONE example.

The FD then has to go through all the buildings around inside and outside and there's several. While the poor cats for instance are listening to this blaring alarm and residents too.

It's a bit of a sidetrack but seriously I can believe and especially in NYC etc. they can't have this or that.

Where I work sold a ton of fire blankets this year. Never ever heard of them before. Did not even know we had them. One lady I talked to every time and she just kept buying more as gifts.... I guess it speaks to fear too and the b.s. going on in this world.

Not saying it isn't wise to have these things but yeah, put on one a bus or subway or in a hallway and some kid or even adult idiot is going to misuse them.

Personally, it has all gone so far past ridiculous imo. They are probably liable if they don't have one and liable if they do. Fire extingisher, fire blanket, etc. and that is just in this type of case.

And there's so many sidetracks that could happen here and not going to go there but just the fear inducing crapola.. In almost every subject there is.

I know, and I'm just one person, we sold a ton of fire blankets. Not a bad idea for sure but it sure also made bucks for the manufacturer...
 
It sounds off the wall. I don't even dare look I don't think.

Reading the posts is enough. More than.

So I'm sure I'm not as informed as some.

I'd think there would be fire blankets, and even at least security guards OR LE around.

It's such a hole that could be gone down but there sure are policing problems, not sure I knew NYC and area was one of them but it would be close to political talk to talk of some of it. It's been mentioned for sure in like OR and some other places on here in various threads.

I live in areas that police ARE out doing their job. And as far as I know they are not scared to do it. Or ignoring things or sitting around doing nothing. Or turning a blind eye.

I mean when working day in and out, I see them probably daily, one or another. We have shoplifting at work, they are there and respond to it. Plenty. I'm outside on break, they are flying by sometimes, probably accident on the interstate, on the road, dong their job, out and about. I have seen them at the local probably biggest chain gas station doing a quick lunch.

Who knows but I'll just say that NYC and area is a big, huge political area. Probably one of the biggest. I'm not saying it caused this but as far as how things are used as to cases, or jumped on, well... We are in that gap, not that there ever really is one...

I should probably bow out as it's not one I'm going to delve into, look at harder. Sounds awful as it is.

So there's TWO burned victims, Penn Station as well...

I can't light a fire here and get away with such, meaning like a camp fire even, not sure how it happens in actual public with one of the biggest PDs and # of precincts etc. in the world and in the subway! And yeah, bystanders simply record?

But again not delving into so don't know all but I believe you when you say off the wall.

And yeah, I'm guessing the guardian thing has probably long since changed. I recall it too even though never been there. First off, don't trust the news. Laws change, sentencing, all kinds of things and none of us ever even know about it. They don't inform of ANYTHING they should.

Not hard to believe at all. Sh*t has become so absolutely ridiculous in this world. I mean I've livein a place someone pulls the fire alarm all of the time and seriously everyone has to evacuate, the entire fire department has to come, full sirens, and it happened so much they told the complex they were going to start charging them for false alarms. YET they won't put up cameras. Just ONE example.

The FD then has to go through all the buildings around inside and outside and there's several. While the poor cats for instance are listening to this blaring alarm and residents too.

It's a bit of a sidetrack but seriously I can believe and especially in NYC etc. they can't have this or that.

Where I work sold a ton of fire blankets this year. Never ever heard of them before. Did not even know we had them. One lady I talked to every time and she just kept buying more as gifts.... I guess it speaks to fear too and the b.s. going on in this world.

Not saying it isn't wise to have these things but yeah, put on one a bus or subway or in a hallway and some kid or even adult idiot is going to misuse them.

Personally, it has all gone so far past ridiculous imo. They are probably liable if they don't have one and liable if they do. Fire extingisher, fire blanket, etc. and that is just in this type of case.

And there's so many sidetracks that could happen here and not going to go there but just the fear inducing crapola.. In almost every subject there is.

I know, and I'm just one person, we sold a ton of fire blankets. Not a bad idea for sure but it sure also made bucks for the manufacturer...
Our subway trains have one in every carriage sometimes two, one at each end. Some people have them in their kitchens too so they are a good idea. On the subway trains they have them next to the carriage alarm. So pull down the alarm and get the blanket to smother the flames also.

I guess NYC is spending so much money on overtime pay for the NYPD chief's floosies that they cannot afford subway tube fire emergency blankets. Or perhaps the homeless steal the blankets to use for sleeping.
 
Our subway trains have one in every carriage sometimes two, one at each end. Some people have them in their kitchens too so they are a good idea. On the subway trains they have them next to the carriage alarm. So pull down the alarm and get the blanket to smother the flames also.

I guess NYC is spending so much money on overtime pay for the NYPD chief's floosies that they cannot afford subway tube fire emergency blankets. Or perhaps the homeless steal the blankets to use for sleeping.
I know what they are and it of course makes logical sense that such would be there... Of course nothing sometimes makes sense here and your last sentence yeah, people steeling them, taking them, etc. probably is far more likely. Well at least it would seem in some areas, as you said OT and floozies. There's quite a few retired NYPD on YT and I'd really like to hear them about this one. I mean they are likable quite a few but come on with the stuff going on these days and really address IT.

Yeah it is major union and OT and such I WOULD SAY anyhow. but I don't live there, sure don't know.

I've never been on a subway in my life. Well I guess I was on something in an airport once that was like that, maybe two even, the walking sidewalk automated kind of thing and a train between areas as well. I think one was Denver, the other may have been Orlando.

It isn't hard to believe though that something put there for help in some areas, people would use for harm or take. In some areas anyhow. Of course WE would not do such.

I find it a bit unusual never in my life probably had I heard of a fire blanket until we had them for sale... Many or some maybe never have... I sure the heck never had nor knew we had them until one lady was buying and coming back for every one she could get for Cmas gifts, and we conversed a time or two. People here get made to live on fear imo. It's what news is, it's what goes on. Not just here, everywhere. I mean sn*w used to be snow. Yes there were blizzards and such but they weren't named or hyped, etc.

I'd bet right now tons are being sold.... Of fire blankets.

But as far as the subway or even fire extinguishers, My guess is yes someone would take them or use them as a weapon or for something else. I mean people don't intervene or help right, which is alien to our thoughts.

My guess too is we are in a gap of political time, although they an easily fill it, at least we used to get a couple of years before it started up again but nowadays it is every single day and immediate.

Imo it's all agenda driven.

Can't really say much, don't know, but we have sure had NY, NY, NY lately.

We are between one side going out and another in. And look at the news...

I have said a million times, both are something else, as to sides of things. Truly not a fan of either, and they are all buddies imo.

My daughter had a homeless person story about SF, CA. Only when she talked later to her hub did she realize some things.

Well assumed homeless right?

I don't think I've had one for some years but I might have a New Year's resolution this year and it's that people see through and buy into total b.s

Of course I don't mean you. Or anyone.

I probably had better quit.

I can talk of one such thing that was I mean crazy town re a few years back.

Most of us I think are totally normal people. Well normal is relative lol but not out there. I think I could refer to the posts and by whom. COVID times. NYC. Craxy stuff she said. I never believed the half of it.
 
Resisting taking a dive into this one.

So yours actually shut down?

Pretty sure but someone else could answer better that like in NY they are 24/7 I think. Interesting that homeless prefer them and I can see why over "shelters".

I could tell a few stories of such though, not my own experience. Something a social worker told me once, he grew up there and took the subway daily...But I will leave it for now.
 
Resisting taking a dive into this one.

So yours actually shut down?

Pretty sure but someone else could answer better that like in NY they are 24/7 I think. Interesting that homeless prefer them and I can see why over "shelters".

I could tell a few stories of such though, not my own experience. Something a social worker told me once, he grew up there and took the subway daily...But I will leave it for now.
Yes ours shut down completely at around 1030 pm. Open around 6 am. I may not have times exact.

London Underground trains generally run between 5am and midnight Monday to Saturday. Operating hours are slightly reduced on Sunday. Night Tube trains run on some lines throughout the night on Fridays and Saturdays.

 
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Pretty sure NYC is probably 24/7 but no expert and others could probably answer that better.

Lots of incidents in or on it, but all don't make the news...

Greyhound would be yet another story.
 
According to this article the Guardian Angels are going to reform. The unknown victim at Penn is though to have set himself alight.


"The victim told police he awoke to find he was on fire, and claimed the blaze was set by someone," however, subsequent investigations by police and MTA sources provided to The Post suggest no evidence of criminality or involvement of a second party.

This incident comes merely days after another fiery attack on a New York City subway, where a woman was fatally set on fire aboard an F train in Brooklyn. Sebastian Zapeta, a 33-year-old Guatemalan citizen, has been arrested and indicted on murder and arson charges in connection with the Brooklyn attack. Zapeta, who had been deported in 2018 and re-entered the United States at an unknown date, now faces life in prison without parole.

In response to the recent uptick of crimes, including the fire at Penn Station and other violent incidents, the Guardian Angels, led by Curtis Sliwa, have decided to resume their patrols in the subways. Sliwa told The Post, his "red beret-sporting Guardian Angels" are making a comeback, a decision catalyzed by the horrific event where the woman was set on fire. The sense of unease is tangible among daily commuters. "That's crazy," Mike Jones, a 28-year-old school safety officer who commutes through Penn Station, told The Post. "Two people on fire, two different stations, and two stabbed at Grand Central Station — that's dreadful."
 
She has been identified. Her name is Debrina Kawam, age 57. According to Foxnews, she was homeless but had spent some nights in New York homeless shelters in the past. Those stays apparently helped in identifying her. A walker found at the scene of the murder was hers. IIRC, the news report said she was from NJ.
 

By Andy Newman and Shayla Colon
Jan. 4, 2025, 3:00 a.m. ET
Before she was Debrina, she was Debbie.

In her town of Little Falls, N.J., Debbie Kawam was a girl people wanted to be around: the cheerleader with the inner glow, dispensing high-fives in the hallways of Passaic Valley Regional High School, cruising with friends, striking a pose against a backdrop of Led Zeppelin posters, welcoming diners at Perkins Pancake House in her hostess uniform.

Into her 20s, Ms. Kawam was the life of the party, flying off with girlfriends to Las Vegas and the Caribbean and living in the moment.

Later would come years of darkness, then decades. And on Dec. 22, Ms. Kawam was set afire on a subway train in Brooklyn in an apparently random attack captured on harrowing video. For nine days, the woman was anonymous in death. After her body was identified on Tuesday, the grieving could begin.

As the name she had adopted, Debrina, flashed across the news, classmates mustered memories to blot out the indelible image of a human figure outlined in flame.

“So sweet and kind,” said her onetime pancake-house colleague Diane Risoldi, 57, whom Ms. Kawam had helped get the job. “I can still see her in the black skirt and pink button-down. Always smiling.”

“She seemed like a girl who was going to have everything,” said Susan Fraser.

Ms. Kawam, 57, grew up in a small white house on a street dotted with modest single-family homes. Her father worked on the assembly line at the General Motors plant in Linden. Her mother worked in a bakery, said Malcolm Fraser, Susan’s husband and a childhood friend of Ms. Kawam. She had an older brother and sister.

Joe Rocco, who often walked home from school with Debbie, said that at recess, kids used to send kickballs flying in her direction just to have an excuse to be near her.
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A high school with an American flag flying.

At Passaic Valley Regional High School, Ms. Kawam was a magnetic presence in the halls, her friends said.Credit...Bryan Anselm for The New York Times
Mark Monteyne, 57, was the captain of the Passaic Valley Hornets football team in 1984, which meant he had a cheerleader personally paired with him: Debbie Kawam. “She was really that bright light,” he said. One of her tasks was to decorate his locker for game day. “Every game there was something special — balloons, stickers,” he remembered.

When Mr. Monteyne struggled in chemistry, Ms. Kawam shared her notes with him. “She was always helping me try to pass the class,” he said.

After graduation, Ms. Kawam took classes at Montclair State College a few towns away, and Mr. Monteyne saw her around campus the first semester. But she soon left, and they lost touch before he graduated.

Cindy Certosimo Bowie had known Ms. Kawam since third grade. In their 20s, they became fast friends and travel partners.

“We went to Jamaica, Cancun, Bahamas, Las Vegas,” Ms. Bowie said. “We’d go to clubs, lay out in the sun. When we went home we’d just book another trip. It was like a three-year stretch of going places.”
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A girl poses in front of Led Zeppelin posters in a striped shirt.

Ms. Kawam’s friends, now in middle age, are reckoning with the loss of a vibrant figure of their youth. She was one of three girls voted to have a “million-dollar smile” in her class’s senior poll.Credit...via Mark Monteyne
Ms. Kawam was always working, though seldom too long at any one place, Ms. Bowie said. “She kind of did the job shuffle for a while,” said Ms. Bowie, 56, who now manages a school cafeteria. Ms. Kawam worked at the headquarters of Sharp Electronics in Mahwah, among other jobs, Ms. Bowie recalled.

Ms. Bowie said that sometimes Ms. Kawam was at odds with her parents. “She was always going against the grind; they said white, she said black,” Ms. Bowie said. “Could have been the age.” Ms. Kawam’s family declined to be interviewed for this article.

But eventually Ms. Bowie settled down, and she, too, lost touch with her friend.

Details of Ms. Kawam’s life after that are harder to find. In her 30s, she worked for a couple of years at Merck, the pharmaceutical company, as a customer service representative. Around 2000, she embarked on a relationship with a man who worked for an electric utility. They lived in a house by the Passaic River down the street from her childhood home, according to the man’s ex-wife. In 2003, Ms. Kawam legally changed her first name to Debrina.

The couple split in 2008, around the time the house went into foreclosure. By then, Ms. Kawam had not worked for some time and had started having alcohol-fueled scrapes with the law. When she filed for bankruptcy that year, the whole of her assets consisted of a Dodge Neon valued at $800, a television and a futon worth $300 and some clothes.

Years after the Kawam family home in Little Falls was sold, Ms. Fraser and her husband said they ran into Ms. Kawam. She looked “distraught and high on something,” said Malcolm Fraser.

Ms. Kawam spent most of the last dozen years of her life in the southern part of the state. She lived with a man in Toms River for several years. The man later married someone else, and his widow said that he had described his previous relationship as chaos.

Ms. Kawam spent considerable time in Atlantic City, about an hour south, and court records show a string of summonses for public drinking from 2017 through last year.

Ms. Kawam’s mother also lived in Toms River. A neighbor said she did not know either woman, but someone Ms. Kawam’s age would come and go from the house. The older woman would lead the younger by the hand, as if she needed help getting around.

This past fall, Ms. Kawam came to New York, apparently with no place to stay. On Nov. 29, a homeless-outreach team encountered her at Grand Central Terminal. The next day, she checked into an intake shelter for women. Two days after that, she was assigned to a shelter in the Bronx. She never showed.

Early on the frigid morning of Dec. 22, as Ms. Kawam slept on a parked F train at the end of the line in Coney Island, a man approached her. Without so much as a word, he flicked a lighter at her. The man, Sebastian Zapeta-Calil, 33, then watched as she burned, the police said. He has been charged with murder.

The news of Ms. Kawam’s descent and unspeakable death left her classmates feeling devastated and empty and unfinished. “I honestly didn’t know her demons, the backdrop of what was going on,” said Mr. Monteyne, the former football player. “If we only knew.”
 
This reminds me that all the homeless people out there have a backstory. They are all souls that are lost in society’s darkness.
 

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