I'm going to try to lay the whole thing out the best I can in response to both of you
@GrandmaBear &
@Kimster
Please let me know if you have any questions or need clarification.
These cases are more than 15 years old and like the two of you, I believe that Dave & Troy's deaths and the three arsons are all related.
To be fair, not everyone is going to agree with me
Absolutely all of my statements are as far as I understand, at this point in time, with the information I have had available and from what I have gathered and in my personal experience and through personal communications over 15 plus years...
TIMELINES
•AUGUST 2008
I spoke with Dave Lewis approximately 10 days before he passed. During this conversation we spoke of quite a few things but one thing he told me is that someone, a relative, had asked him for money, specifically part of his inheritance.
He told this person NO in no uncertain terms but he also said that they weren't taking no for an answer and that he "expected them to just show up"
I believe this person got in their vehicle and proceeded to drive the approximately 49 hours (7-7 hour days?) to the Rogue Valley to confront their relative, Dave Lewis.
•LABOR DAY WEEKEND 2008
Troy Dean Carney was camping near the Pilot Travel Center, a truck stop in Central Point Oregon. Troy was looking for work and had told his mother that he was trying to make enough to get back up to the Willamette Valley as he wasn't finding anything in the Rogue Valley.
Troy's mom told me in recent personal communications that Troy had been offered a partial day of work helping someone with a firewood delivery but that she had offered to send him $100 to buy a bus ticket so that he wouldn't have to take the firewood delivery job.
The $100 she wired him on the evening of 9/1/2008 was never picked up and she never spoke with Troy again.
Troy was last seen on tape walking out of the Pilot Travel Center, presumably to his camp spot near the Bear Creek Greenway. It's my understanding that Troy didn't use a tent, he slept away from others, under or in the brush.
From what his mom "Troy's mom" has posted on WS, he didn't usually let anyone know where he was camped and would get up very early to break camp; which as far as I can tell consisted of his sleeping bag, his clothes & shoes, & his phone.
Visit Pilot Travel Center #391 in Central Point, OR, for gas and diesel fuel, showers and restrooms, food, and truck parking.
locations.pilotflyingj.com
At some point on the night of 9/1 or the early morning of 9/2 someone shot Troy to death in his sleeping bag.
There was no evidence that he had been harmed or robbed. His phone was tucked neatly into his shoe.
By the time he was found on the afternoon of 9/4/2008, his mom LW, had been trying to call him since early morning on 9/2.
His phone had to be charged by LE and they were able to call LW on 9/5 to let her know her son had passed
I have asked LW who Troy mentioned that he had contact with while he was in the Rogue Valley, and also about the last conversation she had with him on 9/1 & the contact she had with my mom @Dreamweaver and Dave's relative, the person who he was "expecting to just show up" in the early days after both Troy & Dave were found.
--more on that shortly--
I believe the person that Dave "expected to just show up" may have possibly encountered Troy at the Pilot Center Truck Stop after traveling from the north and arriving in the Rogue Valley around Labor Day weekend 2008.
•MONDAY-THURSDAY
9/1/2008-9/4/2008
David was murdered sometime in the late night hours of 9/3/2008 or in the very early morning hours of 9/4/2008.
LE has stated in news reports that he had been shot and that he had smoke in his lungs which indicates that he was still breathing at the time the fire was set. Dave's remains were recovered and identified through the use of DNA.
I have "heard" that Dave was in town, Ashland, that day, doing errands I suppose, and that he was at Hyatt Lake that evening/night, which was his normal routine. I don't know if he was or wasn't as LE has not released any of those kind of details.
Hyatt Lake was about 5 miles from Dave's cabin & it had a restaurant & bar at the resort. Dave was a regular customer and had worked there constructing some of the RV cabins that had been moved onto the federal property that the resort was leasing.
There's some controversy over whether the cabins were legally built and there was a long drawn out land use appeal over the resort's use of the property for several years after Dave's death.
I have seen instances of someone blaming the owners of this resort and to be fair there was definitely some animosity between the resort owners and Dave.
The first fire that was called in around 2:35 am was the vacation cabin at 18196 DIMR, which was visible from the road and at the junction of the Keno Access Road.
The second fire that was reported was most likely the first fire set, as by the time it was reported between 3:00-4:00 am and firefighters responded, the fire had already been burning so long that the cabin was gone. David's remains were found in the aftermath of the fire.
Both of these fires were set in the wee hours when most people sleep, both cabins were in a very rural area in the high mountains, near Howard Prairie & Hyatt Lakes in the Cascade-Siskiyou National Monument in Southern Oregon between Ashland & Klamath Falls.
I have reason to believe that this relative of Dave's, that he was "expecting to just show up" may have been camping at or near Soda Creek, near Latgawa Creek & a historic shelter in that area, either before or after Dave's murder but almost certainly around the time of the memorial.
I asked this person directly (At Dave's memorial) where they were staying and they said "up on Soda Creek" and I replied, not being familiar with Soda Creek, "Soda Mountain?" which was to our south. They motioned behind them to the north-ish and said "no, Soda Creek"
You can reach the Soda Creek area from either Hwy 140, for example from the Pilot Center on Pine Street /Biddle Road in Central Point on to Hwy 62 to White City and up Hwy 140 to Soda Creek Road OR from Dead Indian Memorial Road by way of Conde Creek Road, which are basically the same roads connected by a maze of BLM roads.
Conde Creek Road is approximately .5 mile from Dave's driveway and is approximately 5.5 miles from the vacation cabin at 18196 Dead Indian Memorial Road that also burned the night of 9/3-9/4/2008
•SUNDAY
9/14/2008
On Sunday 9/14/2008 around 1:00 am, someone returned to Troy's camp and set fire to the area.
Also on Sunday 9/14/2008 at noon, a memorial was held for David on the summit of the mountain at the site of his cabin.
Google 12801 Dead Indian Memorial Road to see some of the most glorious property one could imagine, for more fun, search the Jackson County Assessors Office to see who purchased the pristine 40 acre property in December 2022 for $350k. Hint: it's Dave's relative, the one who he expected would just show up.
•2008-2010
My mom @dreamweaver reached out to both Dave's relative & Troy's mom LW separately to help them set up social media & emails for the cases, it was her thing.
From approximately 2008-2010 this person posted as multiple personas on The Medford Mail Tribune forums.
IMO-- They have an unusual vocabulary and it is easy to spot their writing style across forums and to public entities such as letters to the editor and in their blog posts and this is what made them immediately identifiable to me on WS.
In 2008-2009 Dave's relative had a MySpace page in Dave's name. They had seemingly hacked into Dave's exwife JF's MySpace and had engaged in some very nasty messaging with me.
By late 2009 I had had more than enough of the manipulation & lies and sent this person a message on MySpace that basically told them to not contact me in any way, come into my personal space, work, etc, like you must do legally to protect yourself from a potential stalker.
It's around this time in late 2009 that this relative joined WS where they still post mostly cryptic messages that say absolutely nothing to this very day.
•2010-2015
This relative of Dave's claims a friend helped create a series of blog posts that are available on the wayback machine, the internet archives.
I will dig into some of that nonsense in the future, but take a look if you're interested.
DATED 1/15/2011--
The Murder of Dave Lewis website was created to generate leads, find witnesses and bring attention to Dave Lewis Murder
web.archive.org
There are endless variations of these blogs depending on the date and page and what the wayback machine has archived.
It's JMO, but most of the content of these blogs is misdirection, slander & innuendo.
•2013-PRESENT
I was interviewed by Woody Pollack, retired LE, in IIRC, the late summer of 2013.
JCSO had reopened both Dave & Troy's cases and went back over everything but failed to come up with the evidence necessary to bring a case, it was at this time that the JCSO said there was NO CONNECTION between Dave & Troy.
In 2020 Det. Snaith said that the cases WERE connected and there is a POI or persons of interest.
LW, Troy's mom has been adamant that Troy did not know Dave, never mentioned him and would have no reason to know him or have contact with him.
To this day, the only connection I am personally aware of AFAIK, is the contact Dave's relative had with Troy's mom in the days/weeks/months/years following their deaths and IF this relative came into contact with Troy at the Pilot Center.
--more on this later--
1/26/2023
I joined WS following in my mom, @Dreamweaver's footsteps after watching the Abraham Shakespeare episode on Netflix. My mom worked on that case.
ETA: I had some communication with Christian Adams ME of the JCSO in early 2023. I reached out to the DA this week and they put me in touch with the current detective in the case Det. David Seese.
1/25/2024
I was unceremoniously banned from WS for persistently stating what I know as a verified insider. The other VI on the thread was not friendly with me from my very first day on the thread and my posts were reported relentlessly.
It was quite telling and I can honestly say that my theories around "whodunnit" only solidified in my time there.
1/27/2024
I managed to log into my new account here on CW thanks to
@Kimster
So that's it for now, I'm super grateful to be here and I am looking forward to discussing these cases (and more!) with you all.
Like my mom Dreamweaver, I have a soft spot for the missing & UID too, so look for me on some of those cases as well.
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I am not surprised my mom didn't mention it, she's the one that showed me the original Ashland Daily Tidings newspaper article and she started the thread for Dave on WS and had reached out to Dave's relative to help them set up a MySpace account and an email.