GEORGE FLOYD: Man killed, 4 Minneapolis Officers Fired - MN vs Derek Chauvin *GUILTY*

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(CNN)Four Minneapolis police officers have been fired for their involvement in the death of a black man who was held down with a knee as he protested that he couldn't breathe, officials said Tuesday.

The FBI is investigating the incident, which drew widespread condemnation of the officers after a video showing part of the encounter circulated on social media.
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4 Minneapolis cops fired after video shows one kneeling on neck of black man who later died | CNN

The FBI is investigating the incident, which drew widespread condemnation of the officers after a video showing part of the encounter circulated on social media.
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If there is one officer here who perhaps could be looked at a bit differently, it is Lane. He is the only one who showed any concern. I'm not the jury, that's up to them but I can understand his decision to testify and am not surprised at the choice. I doubt this man would have made the same decisions Chauvin did if he had been in charge is my guess.

That being said though, the question will be I imagine did he do enough and could he have done more.

I suspect his testimony will be something along the lines of how you don't question a superior officer, his rookie status and inexperience perhaps.

I'm not letting him off, I just think the facts should be heard and the jury decide in his case. Well of course in all their cases but he I do look at just a bit differently than the others and for sure, than Chauvin. I'd like to hear from him and his point of view of that day.

Of course it won't be televised unfortunately.
 
He has the right to take the stand in his own defense and if I were him, I'd choose to do so. He also may actually help the other officers and at least the other rookie in training. I don't doubt he will say that they were "taught" not to go up against their superior, Chauvin, or knew better or something like that. He tried to say something a couple of times but felt he couldn't push it further. I don't mean he shouldn't have done more at risk of his position even but I do look at him differently than the others.

A jury shouldn't take his decision to mean anything about the decision of the others whether to testify or not. I think most jurors are smarter than that. What I see here though is maybe hinting that these cases should be severed and all should not be tried together... I don't doubt Lane wouldn't prefer his own trial either rather than being lumped in with the others who said not one word nor assisted with the ambulance, etc.

Jmo.
 
Not surprisingly it sounds like much of the testimony or points being made are similar to those in the Chauvin trial. Training, autopsy, etc. Of course they would be as it is the same incident. Haven't been able to watch or look at it so just an observation catching up here quickly.
 
The rookie was thrust into a catch - 22. If he had physically removed Chauvin from Floyd physically he'd be fired and Chauvin and the other guy would tell their bosses that Floyd was in no danger. By not doing anything he's in bad shape too. Obviously he did the wrong thing, but I think it's probably instilled in rookies to obey superior officers.
 
Cousin Dupree said:
The rookie was thrust into a catch - 22. If he had physically removed Chauvin from Floyd physically he'd be fired and Chauvin and the other guy would tell their bosses that Floyd was in no danger. By not doing anything he's in bad shape too. Obviously he did the wrong thing, but I think it's probably instilled in rookies to obey superior officers.
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I don't disagree. I think it is instilled in most of us wanting to keep our job and not be a "rat" of superiors and co-workers reporting them and so forth. People want to keep their jobs and it was a tough spot to be in.
 
No surprise they are blaming Chauvin and I agree that Chauvin is worse than the others but I see different degrees with these men. The one who I think has a chance is the one that said something and helped the EMTs. The other rookie I think has a chance but he didn't speak up so not as good of shape as that one. But the third officer, I think if anyone went up against Chauvin, it should have been him. Thao wasn't it? He was senior too and while Chauvin may have been superior to him, he had a lot more years in and probably blindly accepted this on not just this occasion. I feel for them to a degree but even the most innocent of them is likely "technically in the wrong". I mean look at the MN female cop just sentenced, she had absolutely no intent to kill but she did and that was a mistake. These officers had rules and procedures and broke them although of course training is argued to defend that but two of the four weren't rookies...

I truly don't think the one who tried deserves anything or much of anything for a jail/prison sentence. The second rookie the same or maybe a short sentence. The third though, he was the one most likely able to report Chauvin or do something without having near the fear of losing the job as the rookies did. He had an established career on the force already and some of the behavior of his own in the videos bothers me. Jmo of course.
 
I'm in St. Paul this morning for the federal trial of the three ex-MPD officers charged with violating George Floyd's civil rights. Thomas Lane is on the stand now. He is 38, turning 39 in two weeks. His wife is in the courtroom and he said they are expecting a child.

On May 25, 2020, Lane was scheduled for "mid watch" shift 4:30 p.m. to 2 a.m. He was working with Alexander Kueng. When he arrived at the scene, Lane recalls, he pulled up right to the front "which I probably shouldn't have done."

"I had heard of Cup Foods and that it was an area to be cautious of," Lane says.

Lane is describing when he responded to the call at Cup Foods. He said there were "alarm bells" when Floyd did not raise both hands in front seat of car. Lane drew his gun. Lane asked him if he was "on anything" because it was a "common question" to ask, taught in the academy.

"I was just trying to deescalate that by lowering my voice," Lane says, recalling when Floyd said he was claustrophobic as they attempted to get him in the squad car.

Lane says he called an ambulance after seeing blood on Floyd's nose and mouth.

Floyd stopped resisting approx. four minutes after being on the ground, Lane says. “I said, 'should we roll him on his side?'” Lane says and recalls Derek Chauvin responding, “no we’re good like this.”

Lane testifies that he asked Chauvin again if they should roll Floyd over & Chauvin deflects & asked if he and the other officers were OK. He says he didn't see Floyd's face when he was on the ground. When he could see him again and he says "he didn't look good."

Lane says he helped EMT getting Floyd into the ambulance and rode in the ambulance. When asked why he went along and to help, Lane says "he didn't look good. I just felt like they might need a hand."
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The prosecution reiterates policies taught in the academy include training that officers have a duty to intervene and render medical aid. Assistant U.S. Attorney Samantha Trepel asks if Lane knew these policies and he says yes.

Trepel also reads a part of the transcript from Lane's interview with the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension on May 31, 2020, in which says the situation w/ Floyd could've been handled differently.

Defense rests. Court will go into recess tomorrow 9:30 a.m., at which time closing arguments begin. One juror excused for a family commitment.


I could accept Lane getting a lesser penalty after reading this. Seems like he really did care, and tried to intervene, not to mention riding in the ambulance. JMO.
 
GarAndMo39 said:
I'm in St. Paul this morning for the federal trial of the three ex-MPD officers charged with violating George Floyd's civil rights. Thomas Lane is on the stand now. He is 38, turning 39 in two weeks. His wife is in the courtroom and he said they are expecting a child.

On May 25, 2020, Lane was scheduled for "mid watch" shift 4:30 p.m. to 2 a.m. He was working with Alexander Kueng. When he arrived at the scene, Lane recalls, he pulled up right to the front "which I probably shouldn't have done."

"I had heard of Cup Foods and that it was an area to be cautious of," Lane says.

Lane is describing when he responded to the call at Cup Foods. He said there were "alarm bells" when Floyd did not raise both hands in front seat of car. Lane drew his gun. Lane asked him if he was "on anything" because it was a "common question" to ask, taught in the academy.

"I was just trying to deescalate that by lowering my voice," Lane says, recalling when Floyd said he was claustrophobic as they attempted to get him in the squad car.

Lane says he called an ambulance after seeing blood on Floyd's nose and mouth.

Floyd stopped resisting approx. four minutes after being on the ground, Lane says. “I said, 'should we roll him on his side?'” Lane says and recalls Derek Chauvin responding, “no we’re good like this.”

Lane testifies that he asked Chauvin again if they should roll Floyd over & Chauvin deflects & asked if he and the other officers were OK. He says he didn't see Floyd's face when he was on the ground. When he could see him again and he says "he didn't look good."

Lane says he helped EMT getting Floyd into the ambulance and rode in the ambulance. When asked why he went along and to help, Lane says "he didn't look good. I just felt like they might need a hand."
2/21 Continued:

The prosecution reiterates policies taught in the academy include training that officers have a duty to intervene and render medical aid. Assistant U.S. Attorney Samantha Trepel asks if Lane knew these policies and he says yes.

Trepel also reads a part of the transcript from Lane's interview with the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension on May 31, 2020, in which says the situation w/ Floyd could've been handled differently.

Defense rests. Court will go into recess tomorrow 9:30 a.m., at which time closing arguments begin. One juror excused for a family commitment.


I could accept Lane getting a lesser penalty after reading this. Seems like he really did care, and tried to intervene, not to mention riding in the ambulance. JMO.
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He is the one of the four I think did what he could and he even dared ask Chauvin twice and the only one that assisted the EMTs as I understand it.
 
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