JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

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Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events
  • April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
  • December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
  • February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
  • February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
  • June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
  • July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
  • August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
  • September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
  • September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
  • September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
  • September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
  • October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
  • October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
  • October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
  • October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
  • Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
  • November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
  • November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
  • December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
  • December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
  • December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
  • January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
  • January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee
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The latest timeline in the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell cases - East Idaho News

REXBURG — Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua "JJ" Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.
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An interesting take too is that he includes Colby in this as taking Lori's side and the Cox family side... And not Charles. I wish I had time to rewatch a lot of things but I don't.
 
This was a GOOD find. It is the last thing I am going to watch on this case tonight though. I am surprised Zac hasn't had to be a witness honestly.

So many things of note in here but one i am going to mention is he doesn't believe, nor does Kay that Alex died of natural causes. I will never either. That ME failed. Maybe she just couldn't findi anything but NO WAY. And like he says just as Tammy was exhumed.

Also the bit about what Lori would share with Alex he would then say to other people which did not thrill her. That's interesting.

It is so hard as we have heard it all in the past but it does become hard to remember in later years. That's why delays mostly help the defense in cases too as memories fade, witnesses maybe die or retire, and so on. There isn't a bit of this I didn't watch or know but as far as recalling it all, not so much. I just remember my conclusions from all the things and a lot of other stuff too but this case, well cases, there has just been so very much too.

How prosecutions in all cases can even narrow it all down, I can't imagine. Nor what it takes to do that. I couldn't do it. I know that.

And there we go too, she was telling people he wanted to kill her for her life insurance...It is also a good reminder of the Cox family. Minus Zac and Adam of course. And more.
 
Finished. Well worth the watch. I can't dive back into other things though or my life will fall apart and it already is iffy. There was a LOT of worthwhile stuff in it. I recall it while watching but couldn't have remembered everything. Anyone who can I'd encourage to look back at things. I don't dare keep doing it. I know darned well I watched it back when as I saw my comment on it back then when I looked.
 
I don't know if I should fill the thread with how many shows are out there?

Annie has a show. I wasn't sure I was up to watching. Saw it was 2 hours. She's very hard to watch imo. She just doesn't get to the point well sometimes and I thought I was bad. 2 hours is SHORT for her. I turned it on anyhow. It is about the last Cox get together. I didn't get far before getting tired. Took her a bit to even get going in it. I don't think she means the last "occasion" but more so getting together over the Charles thing is what I believe she means. I think she believes there is more than what Adam said on the stand. She said he did testify well though but found his stonewalling about the last time he saw Lori not probably true I think she means--stonewalling is her word. I don't know if she means untrue, just that he resisted that question from Lori when she feels he probably remembered or something on that order. Like I said I didn't get far. I didn't get as far as their last get together. Is anyone up to it? I don't think I am.

@Kimster I think you've watched her a few times so let me ask you, do you find her hard to listen to?
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Maybe I will put her back on, I don't know. Last week or maybe the one before I shut Megan off while watching her too, just couldn't do it. You know, it is about exactly what we've been talking about, who knew what or how they knew, or I believe that is what it was about. And perhaps about any plan. She was correlating something to about the time Joe died too about the time I got tired and went to bed.

Anyhow, if anyone wants the link, let me know. I'm not sure she could know anything other than piecing some things together and speculating. She is pretty good at that but the woman doesn't get to her points very well sometimes, as I said I think she may be worse than me lol. I know I'm not ready for her yet but maybe I will put her on in the background once I wake up further. I don't know that she even knows everything although she can be good at putting pieces together at times.
 
I personally don't know why anyone would want to watch on their feed over others but here is Court TV's stream for today. I guess they are the ones with the camera in the courtroom.

 
GrandmaBear said:
Okay. Listening. She didn't ever need the bathroom either being such a "being'. I can tell already it will be worth the rewatch. There is just so much coming back up that it is overwhelming though.
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Yeah, she’s quite the “god”. Just which one is she serving? Whatever it is, I don’t want to be anywhere near it.
 
GrandmaBear said:
This was a GOOD find. It is the last thing I am going to watch on this case tonight though. I am surprised Zac hasn't had to be a witness honestly.

So many things of note in here but one i am going to mention is he doesn't believe, nor does Kay that Alex died of natural causes. I will never either. That ME failed. Maybe she just couldn't findi anything but NO WAY. And like he says just as Tammy was exhumed.

Also the bit about what Lori would share with Alex he would then say to other people which did not thrill her. That's interesting.

It is so hard as we have heard it all in the past but it does become hard to remember in later years. That's why delays mostly help the defense in cases too as memories fade, witnesses maybe die or retire, and so on. There isn't a bit of this I didn't watch or know but as far as recalling it all, not so much. I just remember my conclusions from all the things and a lot of other stuff too but this case, well cases, there has just been so very much too.

How prosecutions in all cases can even narrow it all down, I can't imagine. Nor what it takes to do that. I couldn't do it. I know that.

And there we go too, she was telling people he wanted to kill her for her life insurance...It is also a good reminder of the Cox family. Minus Zac and Adam of course. And more.
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I liked watching that interview again now because it was more focused on Charles. We’ve been saturated the last two years with everything going on in Idaho. I needed some reminders.
 
GrandmaBear said:
I don't know if I should fill the thread with how many shows are out there?

Annie has a show. I wasn't sure I was up to watching. Saw it was 2 hours. She's very hard to watch imo. She just doesn't get to the point well sometimes and I thought I was bad. 2 hours is SHORT for her. I turned it on anyhow. It is about the last Cox get together. I didn't get far before getting tired. Took her a bit to even get going in it. I don't think she means the last "occasion" but more so getting together over the Charles thing is what I believe she means. I think she believes there is more than what Adam said on the stand. She said he did testify well though but found his stonewalling about the last time he saw Lori not probably true I think she means--stonewalling is her word. I don't know if she means untrue, just that he resisted that question from Lori when she feels he probably remembered or something on that order. Like I said I didn't get far. I didn't get as far as their last get together. Is anyone up to it? I don't think I am.

@Kimster I think you've watched her a few times so let me ask you, do you find her hard to listen to?
And p
Maybe I will put her back on, I don't know. Last week or maybe the one before I shut Megan off while watching her too, just couldn't do it. You know, it is about exactly what we've been talking about, who knew what or how they knew, or I believe that is what it was about. And perhaps about any plan. She was correlating something to about the time Joe died too about the time I got tired and went to bed.

Anyhow, if anyone wants the link, let me know. I'm not sure she could know anything other than piecing some things together and speculating. She is pretty good at that but the woman doesn't get to her points very well sometimes, as I said I think she may be worse than me lol. I know I'm not ready for her yet but maybe I will put her on in the background once I wake up further. I don't know that she even knows everything although she can be good at putting pieces together at times.
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Personally, I don’t watch Annie at all. It’s too long. A lot of those that have long long shows I don’t watch just because of the time factor.
 
Kimster said:
Yeah, she’s quite the “god”. Just which one is she serving? Whatever it is, I don’t want to be anywhere near it.
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I think the jail should bust her and tell people she does use the toilet. I mean how stupid can you be, that is the dumbest remark lol. Yes, i refuse to call her god mine. Because no way are they the same. I absolutely refuse to believe she believes this stuff though. I don't think there is a person who handled the last case that believes either of them believed it, just that they were using it.
 
Kimster said:
I liked watching that interview again now because it was more focused on Charles. We’ve been saturated the last two years with everything going on in Idaho. I needed some reminders.
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It was a good find. Totally relates. I appreciate watching some and the refreshing on the facts but finding it a hard line to walk. Just watching trial every day and then maybe two shows at night, like justin's and nate's is more than a full load. Honestly I shouldn't even be watching the trial and instead doing other things. I feel if I go back too much, there was sooooo much. Hard to explain but I think you know. Just can't do both.

And as interesting as it is to watch her, I'm tired of her too and the whole thing and tired of it for the families although justice for Charles has been waited for and that is why I AM paying attention to this trial and looking back at some. And yeah, it has been all Idaho and not about Charles really until now. Charles did come up in those trials though which was interesting in seeing a bit of those recently again.

It is supposed to be I believe mostly experts this week. While that testimony is majorly important, it can get kind of dull to listen to imo. Maybe I'll lay off some, not sure yet. Probably not lol. I think tihs is where all the texts will likely come in right? Is that how they get them in, I can't even recall any longer. If I recall, Nate seemed to think the State might rest this week. It remains to be seen if Lori will put on any defense.
 
Kimster said:
Personally, I don’t watch Annie at all. It’s too long. A lot of those that have long long shows I don’t watch just because of the time factor.
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Yeah that is one of my problems with her too. Back when I was at home and even having the time I struggled through staying with them for all the hours. She's also just different and I don't mean that as an insult. Just doesn't get to the point, is very into her analytical thing, her shows end up way too long, and I just don't think the same way I don't think. Not meaning I don't believe some of the same things, I just don't process the same way. I don't have the words for it other than she thinks analytically I guess but she isn't very good at getting the point across in any timely manner lol. I'm not even sure that describes it.

I didn't figure you were watching her now but thought you might have seen a thing or two or part of such back when.
 
Does anyone know why Chandler did not prosecute this sooner? Was it because they didn't know where they were or was it other reasons?
 
I put Annie back on and tried it but i just can't do it. It is mostly a question and answered the question we were wondering was asked and that was how Lori knew about the intervention and was it because of Adam. What she probably does have that we don't is all the info that she tracks and can put together but man that woman cannot make her point. She did say she thinks wanted THEM to meet with the stake president and wanted it all kept quiet but that Adam didn't keep it quiet, had a family dinner, etc. Then she starts wandering off. I GIVE UP. I don't know that i will watch her again. She does keep all info there is and organizes it and what not so she has that over the rest of us but she just can't respond without wandering. She sidetracked into Brandon and how he had Charles number blocked and now she is not sure how they would have communicated where she did think it was all three and yada, yada, yada. And I QUIT. I have a headache and not sure it isn't from her. She said Adam went kind of rogue on Charles where Charles wanted things quiet.

I think there is something to all this that we wonder. I don't know that it will come out or not.

She also talks about a dark haired woman to another thing seen on a Ring doorbell leaving Lori's that she thinks may have been Summer. I mean she's got some stuff but the woman can't get to her POINT. And codes/legends they had assigning people colors or some such.
 
I give up. Maybe someone else can take it, I can't. She touches on things not so well known but again she just can't quite get her points across.
 
Tresir said:
Does anyone know why Chandler did not prosecute this sooner? Was it because they didn't know where they were or was it other reasons?
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I'm not sure what you mean? Imo they weren't even pursuing this case hard until the kids went missing and sh*t was dug up and people learned of Charles, of Tammy, of more. It is sure how it appeared anyhow. People started wondering why Alex hadn't been arrested and the PD was not being talked about very nicely by those of us out here and so on, THEN they got after it it seemed. That's how I saw it anyhow and how it appeared to me.
 
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