JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

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Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events
  • April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
  • December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
  • February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
  • February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
  • June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
  • July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
  • August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
  • September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
  • September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
  • September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
  • September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
  • October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
  • October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
  • October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
  • October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
  • Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
  • November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
  • November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
  • December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
  • December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
  • December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
  • January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
  • January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee

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It’s not just here. On the silver linings Facebook page people are discussing that they were surprised that Summer is the one that blew the whistle on the intervention plan, too.

This case is so crazy. We will never ever know everything about it.
I'd say Janice and Summer are in serious question but I know I thought this back when as well. I'll just say this, what I personally tend to think and what can be proven are two different things. If I were either of them right now though, I can honestly say I'd be hiding my face. I can believe they were played, to a POINT, by Lori, but not entirely, and I'm not even convinced that was the case either.

Colby had a show earlier, he didn't really give detail but was talking of dysfunction and how it just keeps coming and honestly I think finding out about some of these things yesterday was what he was talking of. He kind of stayed away from who but I do think it had a lot to do with it. What some may not know who don't watch him is he really doesn't know a lot of the things some of us have for a long time. He didnt watch either trial, hasn't followed the things that have come out through the years, etc. So some things still shock him. I'm betting part of that was Summer and Janice.

I agree we likely will never know everything but I think it is because they've narrowed it and tamped a lot of it down other than when needed. I'm not saying that was right or wrong, I mean it was so big and crazy they had to go after what they could but there are others I still think should be or should have been held to account.
 
Here's a list of the light/dark. Not sure if there's only this one or not? Got this from Justin Lum's FB.

We know it did not stay this way as Adam went to dark, JJ did, and Mel's kids did.

I thought back when and do now how the list seems to fit who they don't like at the time, either who Chad doesn't, Lori doesn't, or both don't. This is only her family of course, no one else.

It is interesting to see this again.

We know a lot of them who were said, we know he said Tammy went dark for instance. Well of course she did, they wanted her money.

Brandon was a given, we know she told was it Alex not to worry, that Mel's money would support them or something on that order.

How we remember ANYthing with the sh*t and amount of info through the yrs, I have no idea.

I'm actually starting to lighten up on Chandler just due to the sheer volume of things and Det. Duncan said as much, that everyone in all cases had to deal with, etc. I still think Alex should have been arrested right away though.
 
Yes, the main complaint I have with Chandler is that they didn't put cuffs on Alex and take him to the station. Even if just for manslaughter!
 
Yes, the main complaint I have with Chandler is that they didn't put cuffs on Alex and take him to the station. Even if just for manslaughter!
Yes! I get it might have taken time against Lori, and even to build a first degree against Alex but they could have gotten him off the streets. I guess hindsight is easy and they didn't know others were in danger at first maybe but I still feel like most people would have been under arrest under these circumstances, at least the shooter...

Lori was really trying to pick them apart. I don't feel it worked but she tried.

I guess I managed the whole trial. I had to play catch up last night and a bit this morning but it's over unless she pulls something, other than closings and jury deliberations.
 
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She's still not planning on putting on a defense. From how I understand it, she can change her mind until she states her intent in front of the jury.
 



She's still not planning on putting on a defense. From how I understand it, she can change her mind until she states her intent in front of the jury.

That's what I understand and it does bother me. i''d like her locked into the decision but I guess that can't happen until Monday.
 
Same here. I like that she's doing the same stupid strategy that didn't work before. So be it!
Definitely.

I see a conviction coming there although of course there could always be someone who didn't track well but I trust they will get there.

Justice for Charles!
 
Thursday 17th April 2025

LIVE UPDATES: Prosecution, defense review jury instructions on day 8 of Lori Vallow Daybell trial​

Published at 11:41 am, April 17, 2025Updated at 12:41 pm, April 17, 2025
Nate Eaton

Nate Eaton, EastIdahoNews.com



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Lori Vallow Daybell is on trial in Maricopa County, Arizona, on one charge of conspiracy to commit the murder of Charles Vallow, her fourth husband. Nate Eaton is live in the courtroom with updates. Please excuse any typos. Times listed below are in Mountain Standard Time, so they are an hour behind Idaho. (Arizona does not observe Daylight Saving Time.) The most recent updates are at the top.

11:40 a.m. Judge denies Lori’s request to have the trial by May 11. Judge is going to update jury instructions and will have them to the parties in the next 15-20 minutes. Asks parties to review them over the weekend so everything can be ready by Monday for the jurors.

11:37 a.m. State asks that jurors be screened through July 3. She would much rather have a jury expect to stay long but get released early. Judge says that would be twice as many trial dates as this trial. Judge says we screened for six weeks and did this trial in two. There were 21 trial dates scheduled in this trial and Treena did it in seven. Treena says that’s what she’s asking for, he can do what he wants. “My hesitation is if we go all the way into the 3rd, we may lose a bunch of jurors for the 4th of July weekend,” judge says. Lori says she objects to not having her trial by May 11. “I would like to have my speedy trial by May 11,” judge says. Judge says the first trial was screened until May 15 and two trials can not be held at the same time. State needs time to bring in out-of-state witnesses and there are scheduling issues for the judge.

11:34 a.m. Parties will meet at 1 p.m. on May 29 to go over jury questionnaires. Judge asks Treena if second trial will be similar in length to this trial. Treena says she believes so. Trial will be June 2-6, June 9-13. Judge may cancel Friday the 13th depending on how far they get. No trial June 16-20. If needed, trial will resume June 23-25. Judge is unsure if trial will be held in this same courtroom.

11:32 a.m. Judge will now set official trial date for Brandon Boudreaux. It will begin May 30 at 10 a.m. A final trial management conference to discuss the remote questionnaire and confirm everything is on schedule will be held on May 14 at 10 a.m. Treena says victim is not here and she will make sure that works for him.

11:29 a.m. A dispute over the facts wouldn’t apply to this rule, the judge says. He isn’t going to add it. Judge is now going to his office to make the adjustments to the instructions and he will have it for the parties by noon. On Monday, Lori will say she is resting in front of the jury. Instructions will be read to the jurors and then closing arguments will happen. Treena asks that officers be released from subpoenas. Judge says everyone can be released. Jury instructions will be read at 11 a.m. on Monday, we will then have lunch, then closing arguments will be read after lunch. Court will still begin at 10:30 a.m. but closing arguments will begin at 1 p.m.

11:27 a.m. Judge reads through the definition and asks what the mistake of fact is. Lori consults with her advisory counsel. Lori says one shot versus two shots, she was being attacked and wasn’t being attacked. Judge says you can deny that and argue it but it’s not a mistake of fact.

11:25 a.m. The rest of the jury instructions are pretty standard and a form of verdict. Treena suggests one change to the verdict form. Judge asks defense if there needs to be any other definitions included. Lori consults with her advisory counsel. She says there is one – “causation, ignorance of fact.”

11:24 a.m. Judge goes through a few definitions: accomplice, conduct, physical force, deadly physical force. No objections from either side.

11:23 a.m. Judge mentions a few other instructions and some modifications he has made. No objections from prosecution or defense.

11:21 a.m. Judge makes changes to another instruction dealing with deadly force, defense and crime prevention.

11:16 a.m. Again – we don’t know what the instructions are and now they are worded as they have not been publicly released.

11:13 a.m. There is discussion about an instruction and whether Charles had authority to be at the house the day he was shot. Lori says no, prosecution says his name was on the lease and it was not criminal trespass as the defense claims.

11:13 a.m. We are now streaming here.

11:09 a.m. Judge says he is not clear on what Lori is asking. She chats with her attorneys. Lori asks that an instruction be added about prevention of a crime being committed. Judge says this could make the instruction convoluted. Beresky and Treena discuss the issue. “I would hate to risk a reversal on something like that,” Beresky says. He’s going to look at it a bit closer.

11:08 a.m. Judge suggests changing part of an instruction where self-defense was mentioned. Suggests it should be changed from physical force to deadly physical force. Treena agrees. Lori says they should both be in there.

11:06 a.m. Next instruction deals with an accomplice. Judge says he made some changes to the definitions and some clarifications on some of the words. Judge asks Lori if she needs it printed out to make sure she’s on the same page.

11:04 a.m. Judge discussing instruction about motive. No objections from state or defense. Judge mentions he made some typographical changes – spelled out first, rather than 1st, etc.

11:03 a.m. Next instruction deals with the state proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. State asks that part of the instruction be cut out as Lori represented herself. Lori agrees. Judge removes it.

11:01 a.m. Treena Kay says part of the next instruction is confusing and believes it should be altered or removed. Lori says, “We agree. It’s confusing.” Judge is changing it.

11 a.m. Lori asks if something can be added to a rule about the defendant’s statements. Prosecution has no objection. Judge allows it in. Next rule deals with jury not to consider penalty. No objections.

10:58 a.m. Next instruction deals with credibility of witnesses and another about law enforcement testimony. Neither side objects. Next instruction is about expert witnesses. No objection. Next instruction is about defendant’s testimony but judge is removing it because Lori is not testifying. No objections from either side.

10:57 a.m. One instruction is removed based on the stipulation of defense and prosecution. Next instruction deals with indictment not being evidence. Neither side has an issue with this one. Judge changed the language in the next instruction because Lori represented herself.

10:55 a.m. Judge begins explaining some of the instructions. The first few are standard Arizona instructions. No objection from state or defense. Beresky talks about another instruction and Treena raises some questions. We don’t know the specifics of the instructions are they are not public so unclear what the issue is and what the specific instruction is.

10:54 a.m. Lori and her attorneys just entered the courtroom. Judge just asked Lori if it is still her intention not to put on any evidence. “Right now it is, as of this morning,” Lori says. He asks if she anticipates that changing. Lori says no.

10:44 a.m. Judge Beresky just walked in. One of Lori’s advisory attorneys says they need a few more minutes. Judge says he already has some changes that need to be made to the jury questionnaire.

10:40 a.m. We are in the courtroom. There are a handful of people from the public in the gallery but lots of empty seats. Treena Kay and her paralegal are at the prosecutor’s table. The prosecution and defense will go over jury instructions with Judge Justin Beresky and then court will be in recess until Monday morning.
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The Summer and Janice thing even though I recall hazily knowing and thinking some of this years ago is really bothering me with it all refreshed. I wish my memory was better but I did always know or thought Summer was involved with having Alex there armed for one.

Some people out there are giving then the benefit of the doubt but I'm having a hard time doing that as things come back and this stuff is fresh.

I mean I can think of a LOT of alternatives to what they did here. And WHY would Lori need his flight info, that really bothers me. If the rest of the family were simply again an intervention, there was more of them to stand up, to talk to the stake president, to stop it, or even to hide her. Now that I have a few moments, I am trying to mull some of this over...

I also can't help but bring in things that have come up again lately like Stacy's death. it was all there back when too, but time has passed and the things fade as more happens.

The way Adam of course did not know but Janice knew very quickly about Charles' death whereas almost no one else was informed.

I also recalled I tihnk I said earlier that Summer did attend a couple of the odd things Lori was interested in or admitted to going once or twice... Can't remember if a casting or some other "event".

A lot of things are coming back...

Anyhow, I am not letting such go, I'd never let myself nor my kids near these people. $$$$ imo. There is more beneath all of this imo. I'm not saying the Chad and Lori part isn't true but I am saying there is a lot more... Deeper and more things than I can bring up or have the words for. I'm not up for the rabbit hole trying to explain would take me down. A somewhat factual one though...
 
I watched the jury instruction stuff today with not a lot but a bit of back and forth about what instructions should be in there for Monday but I think the biggest thing was Lori insisting she wanted the NEXT trial on by May 11th. Speedy trial thing. Judge denied it. She was a bit weird about it, is this the new date the world ends or her and Chad escape or something lol? Not sure how big of a deal this is, judge didn't seem to think so, he said given her current state of incarceration, etc., etc. (jury was not present)... I'm kidding about the world ending stuff, etc. but she was on that, she wanted the next trial by May 11th. Who knows... Probably thinking it is some appeal b.s. if she says it and doesn't get it, no idea. Or who knows...

She's so sickening to see thinking she is some lawyer.

I gather jury instructions are a pretty big deal with appeals and such. They have to get them right. I watched both Nate and Justin today and the proceedings. She argued for some things in and the P didn't disagree too much as again I think it has to be fair and right. Lori has clearly been advised by her advisory counsel on some of this. He allowed her time to meet with them before they started and even after she was allowed to wait for a new copy of jury instructions. It goes back to what Rachel Smith said, they have to like cover both sides of the record I think and handle her to a point with kid gloves to keep this not likely to win a thing on appeal from what I am understanding.

Anyhow, just a bit of an update insofar as I understand it today.

And there are shows out there on it.

She says she has no plan of presenting evidence but the problem is this still has not been said in front of the jury, or of testifying, presenting a defense. However, that is open til Monday and I think rightfully so, no one trusts her word on that.

She was actually fairly prepared on the jury instructions and what should be in or out.

In its own way it was an interesting day, not like Nancy Jo telling her to not flatter herself or anything but it has been really a bit of a learning process for sure. Rachel Smith seems to be available to both Nate and Justin to confer with on some questions and I think that is pretty cool, I am really liking her.
 
Just for one thing, Charles' divorce attorney is coming down on the Chandler PD which clearly we all still struggle with, well worth a watch of the whole thing imo of all of them, but pointing out one thing he gives some detail on.

 
Interesting. Actually saying Moffat maybe dropped the ball and Duncan was the savior on following through on this case. Justin said this.
 

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