KENDRICK JOHNSON: Death of teen at Lowndes High School in Valdosta, GA - 2013 - murder or accidental?

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Johnson’s family has long-suspected the teen was killed by classmates and theorized that their parents conspired with school and law enforcement officials to cover up his death. If authentic, the audio may be one of the first significant clues to emerge since the case’s reopening earlier this month by the Lowndes County Sheriff’s Office.

Investigators declined to comment on what's said in the audio but confirmed they’re now tracking down the individual who allegedly sold the tape to Johnson’s mother.
 
Other one? To my knowledge, the Nike's he'd been wearing were photographed in the mat next to his legs, and the Adidas' he'd intended to change into were found separately- one near a blood pool (beneath the mat) and the other on the gym floor in front of some other mats.
from what i remember of the discussion from before the crash, one was found under him and the other was on top of him, if i am remembering correctly.
 
I may have to go reread something myself as well. I really don't have the time to look in depth right now but later may have to read a recap or something. Just posting this quick to say this isn't how I recall it either but I can't remember exactly, I just know the shoes did not make sense to me, where, how, etc. I thought they or one at least were not where it made sense in relation to where he was or something like that, or that he couldn't have been going after his shoes... Something on that order.
 
Other one? To my knowledge, the Nike's he'd been wearing were photographed in the mat next to his legs, and the Adidas' he'd intended to change into were found separately- one near a blood pool (beneath the mat) and the other on the gym floor in front of some other mats.
Are these the images that you remember?

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Well that picture of the shoes in with him doesn't work for me. How did that happen? He was head first in wasn't he with it standing on end? That much I'm pretty sure I recall correctly.
 
there are two pair of shoes being shown - one black and one white - and yes, how does that happen?
Yeah, I know. I'm doing one at a time, I have serious questions about the black too. But I'm starting with the position of the white ones. I remembered they didn't make sense but I forget exactly how they looked until seeing it again.

It makes a whole lot more sense to me that someone threw them in there after him. He didn't get those shoes into that position.
 
Yeah, I know. I'm doing one at a time, I have serious questions about the black too. But I'm starting with the position of the white ones. I remembered they didn't make sense but I forget exactly how they looked until seeing it again.

It makes a whole lot more sense to me that someone threw them in there after him. He didn't get those shoes into that position.
I just can't remember exactly what it was about those shoes and the explanation officially given, but by it self should have been a reason to question further before writing it off as accidental. At least investigate it!
 
I just can't remember exactly what it was about those shoes and the explanation officially given, but by it self should have been a reason to question further before writing it off as accidental. At least investigate it!
Me too--I just know and have never forgotten they didn't make sense. And even though I was not on the old site as long as the rest of you, we discussed it at length either here or there. No way, no how did it add up, at least not for me.

Not all speculation is more believable than police or death determination, even in a botched case or messed up case but I think in this one, other theories make far more sense than theirs, even IF I don't remember what theirs was, I remember it did not add up with the facts or pictures like this.

Just going with the white shoes, this looks like someone or a group put him into this rolled up mat--or they dared him or someone got him to go in head first. They then threw the white shoes in behind him or placed them just as likely and not too near the end, they don't want him found nor the shoes.

Without going too far into the black shoes, something happened and there is blood. The mat was the way to get rid of him/hide him. He/they realize two pairs of his shoes are there and no one will believe he left the building of his own accord shoeless. Throwing the white shoes in leaves only one pair so not only he, but his shoes are missing. He could have left, been taken, etc., just went missing... Or--I don't recall enough about the black ones so either they were hurriedly dealt with or it was not realized they were there or something on that order.

This screams a cover up by perps. Not a well thought out one but with an investigation like this (further cover up?) I guess it worked. Problem is he was found and two pairs of shoes were... So then the story becomes, it has to, any possible way they can explain that and shove it under the rug--or in this case under the mat so to speak.

I can't remember all but I am going to look again at some point at the info in this case so what I just put as a scenario might not totally fit but I know that to me, someone else was involved and probably a few someones. That much I know I thought and came to that conclusion over a thorough knowledge of or look at the case at that time.
 
Are these the images that you remember?

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Yeah, and there's also a photo of the other Adidas shoe, but bear in mind that all photos (and video) show items as they appeared after several mats were moved from out of the way of the one he was inside, point being, eye-witness accounts are all we'd have to go on to be as precise as we could be as to how items appeared before he was found.
I don't know how to embed a video, but there's one on YouTube- 'Kendrick Johnson Death Scene Video'- in which the other Adidas, his folder and notebook are shown on the floor.
 
Yeah, and there's also a photo of the other Adidas shoe, but bear in mind that all photos (and video) show items as they appeared after several mats were moved from out of the way of the one he was inside, point being, eye-witness accounts are all we'd have to go on to be as precise as we could be as to how items appeared before he was found.
I don't know how to embed a video, but there's one on YouTube- 'Kendrick Johnson Death Scene Video'- in which the other Adidas, his folder and notebook are shown on the floor.
Is this the video? YouTube has an age restriction due to the graphic nature however you can click on the link to watch.

 
Yeah, and there's also a photo of the other Adidas shoe, but bear in mind that all photos (and video) show items as they appeared after several mats were moved from out of the way of the one he was inside, point being, eye-witness accounts are all we'd have to go on to be as precise as we could be as to how items appeared before he was found.
I don't know how to embed a video, but there's one on YouTube- 'Kendrick Johnson Death Scene Video'- in which the other Adidas, his folder and notebook are shown on the floor.
You can always just copy and paste the address of the video from the address bar right in the body of your post as a link too, rather than embedding. It simply takes the person directly to the YT video (or wherever) to watch it rather than watching it here on the page. Personally I like it better that way I can still move around on this site to read and flip back and forth watching the video on another screen while listening to it throughout. Both ways work though.
 
Yeah, I know. I'm doing one at a time, I have serious questions about the black too. But I'm starting with the position of the white ones. I remembered they didn't make sense but I forget exactly how they looked until seeing it again.

It makes a whole lot more sense to me that someone threw them in there after him. He didn't get those shoes into that position.
Are you saying that you think it's impossible that he took them off? They appear laced to me, which (if so) I'd think supports the conclusion that he took them off himself after he was stuck.
 
Are you saying that you think it's impossible that he took them off? They appear laced to me, which (if so) I'd think supports the conclusion that he took them off himself after he was stuck.
I'm not saying anything conclusively. While maybe being able to believe he took them off, he did not put them or get them into the position they are in. Why when he was stuck would he be "taking" his shoes off?

I'm seriously asking?

I'm not looking to make facts fit the determination in this case and I'm not looking to make facts fit proving the determination wrong. I'm looking at it and thinking of what is more likely and makes the most sense.

It is very unlikely he got the shoes into this position even if he took them off for some reason that I can't fathom.

As far as the shoes being laced, if they are, I don't see where that means anything. My grandkids I don't think ever unlaced a pair of shoes in their lives on taking them off nor probably did my children, even with sports. Kids pull them off with their heel, always. To be fair, I do it too quite often. This is beyond common.

I picture him in the mat, he can't get out, what is it he is doing with his feet do you think? Taking his shoes off? Having traction would be better than socks to try to get yourself up. Let's say he was trying to use his feet to get out and the shoes came off, they are never in a million years likely to come to rest like that and if they did, then I will be winning the next Powerball drawing.

I enjoy friendly debate and I guess we are doing that so on that note, I will ask how can you look at that picture and think the shoes just came to rest there by activities of the victim? To me you can only think that if you are trying to make it fit the LE determination and saying "well it's possible" even if it is not in the least bit likely. To me the very first glance at that pictures says oh no, no way did he do that himself. You don't see that? To me it's obvious. And I guess that is why the case had and still has so much controversy when it is looked at, there is a reason for it.
 
I previously mentioned the importance of considering eye-witness accounts as to how items were situated before the discovery and along that line, I've read that the folder and notebook were seen on top of the mats, which (if true, to me) serves to put Kendrick there, too. (I haven't come across info regarding any prior location of the other Adidas.)
I've also read that a student reported that he would see other students toss their shoes into the mats, and so based on that, I'd suspect that the last time the Adidas' were put away, either one was tossed and went into the wrong mat, that is, a mat that was inaccessible via usual method (impossible to tip), or, other mats weren't there when the Adidas' were last used.
 
Are you saying that you think it's impossible that he took them off? They appear laced to me, which (if so) I'd think supports the conclusion that he took them off himself after he was stuck.
how would he have done that stuck like that? that makes no sense to me at all.
 
I previously mentioned the importance of considering eye-witness accounts as to how items were situated before the discovery and along that line, I've read that the folder and notebook were seen on top of the mats, which (if true, to me) serves to put Kendrick there, too. (I haven't come across info regarding any prior location of the other Adidas.)
I've also read that a student reported that he would see other students toss their shoes into the mats, and so based on that, I'd suspect that the last time the Adidas' were put away, either one was tossed and went into the wrong mat, that is, a mat that was inaccessible via usual method (impossible to tip), or, other mats weren't there when the Adidas' were last used.
I am talking about the white shoes nestled together inside the mat. To not confuse this or myself, I have stuck mostly to the white shoes for the moment in my comments. Those are the shoes I mean. He couldn't have tossed the white shoes on top of himself so are you saying someone else did when you say that students were known or seen to toss their shoes into the mats? Because that is what I am talking about and imo yes, someone else had to have done it.

I really need to watch the video posted here or go back and read a full thorough overview of this case.
 

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