LIBBY GERMAN & ABBY WILLIAMS: Indiana vs. Richard Allen for 2017 murder of two Delphi girls *TRIAL IN PROGRESS*

On February 14, 2017, the bodies of Abigail Williams and Liberty German were discovered near the Monon High Bridge Trail, which is part of the Delphi Historic Trails in Delphi, Indiana, United States, after the young girls had disappeared from the same trail the previous day. The murders have received significant media coverage because a photo and audio recording of an individual believed to be the girls' murderer was found on German's smartphone. Despite the audio and video recordings of the suspect that have been circulated and the more than 26,000 tips that police have received, no arrest in the case has been made.[1][2][3]

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Police have not publicly stated nor released details of how the girls were murdered.[6] As early as February 15, 2017, Indiana State Police began circulating a still image of an individual reportedly seen on the Monon High Bridge Trail near where the two friends were slain; the grainy photograph appearing to capture a Caucasian male, with hands in pockets, walking on the rail bridge, head down, toward the girls.[4] A few days later, the person in the photograph was named the prime suspect in the double-homicide.[5]

On February 22, law enforcement released an audio recording where the voice of the assailant,[7] though in some degree muffled, is heard to say, "Down the hill." It was at this news conference that officials credited the source of the audio and imagery to German's smartphone, and, further, regarded her as a hero for having had the uncanny foresight and fortitude to record the exchange in secret. Police indicated that additional evidence from the phone had been secured, but that they did not release it so as not to "compromise any future trial." By this time, the reward offered in the case was set at $41,000.[5]


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This break in the case was plastered all over the Indiana news today. Perp in the jail has a minimum of 30 counts of child porn charges against him. One of the Indiana papers the southbendtribune, I think it was, printed his rap sheet that goes back years. Disgusting POS.
He stole a male model's photos/images and used them on HIS (perp) fake website that he built to lure girls and young women. The male model, who is an innocent victim and not involved in any way, bears a strong resemblance to sketch #2. Police have apparently identified the male model, whose pictures were used without the model's knowledge or permission.
I really hope this break leads to an arrest for their murder. The other charges he has had are disgusting as all he77 although I do wonder if he would have killed. Is there any hint in the IN papers of why so late in the game on this...? I agree the model looks a lot like the second sketch.
 
The new law about collecting DNA was already pending in the Indiana House in 2017, but was going at an arthritic snail pace. They sped it through both houses and into law much quicker than usual because of Delphi.
Indiana IS a death penalty state , thank God.
I do remember discussion about the law with DNA in this case when the law was finally passed and before I think.

I am glad to hear it is a death penalty state. Two young girls. The perp deserves the death penalty.
 
Glad to hear there is movement in this case. The property where the son and father lived was searched 11 days after the murders - Canal Street, Peru.


 
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This is still strange. He looks like a cross between the two sketches.

And Linda's video even though short got me thinking, she packs a lot in.

This is all strange. They announce a fake profile and they want anyone who encountered it or him or interacted to let them know. Shortly thereafter we hear the man behind it is in jail, has been and his name.... It sounds as if he was known of years ago but not necessarily in relation to this case. And more. So what spurred all of this... I can't quite wrap my head around what is going on here... As Linda said, about five years is a long time to ask this now...
It appears that the stuff they got from his phones and computer was not much as he had deleted/wiped it. I am wondering if they can get some of the info from those who contacted him? He would have been early 20's and his father in his 40's at the time, which I wonder could also explain the difference in apparent ages of the sketches.

I can see why he didn't use his own picture. :vomit:

Here is an article that has an interview with Libby's grandfather.

 
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It appears that the stuff they got from his phones and computer was not much as he had deleted/wiped it. I am wondering if they can get some of the info from those who contacted him? He would have been early 20's and his father in his 40's at the time, which I wonder could also explain the difference in apparent ages of the sketches.

I can see why he didn't use his own picture. :vomit:

Here is an article that has an interview with Libby's grandfather.

So you think the sketches were of the father and the photos of the model the son was using? I have wondered the same but does this mean father and son were involved or thought to be? It is clear or seems to be that the younger sketch is the model and I thought the older sketch could have been the father or just based on the recording Libby took and just a sketch rendition from that... Or from a description from someone...

One never knows what to take from the Daily Mail as truth. Did you notice they flat out say Abby and Libby had contact with this man or were catfished by him and then in other areas say they "may" have been... They are the only news I have seen claim they had contact...

Part of me is hopeful but the other part of me says if they had anything or enough, we wouldn't be here all of these years later or this may not be connected at all. It seems that perhaps their hand was forced when someone found out about all of this OR at least the part of who he was... They did not come out and name this man but ask people to help determine who it was and then shortly thereafter, the name came out... They won't confirm this or so it sounds... I think news or internet sleuths or media determined who it was on their own .... Doesn't it seem that way? Or do I have it wrong?
 
The sketches in this case have been the subject of many questions and now this. People wondered when the second sketch came out after so long and was so different and thought LE had made mistakes or ignored some information that they later found, etc. Now they look like the male model and maybe the bridge guy. Or it is the father and the son. Or it is from photos as you say. Or a description. Or one of each. Or one older and heavier and one younger. People wondered about disguises and all sorts of things... I think the information is intentionally meant to cause confusion just as it is with the DNA, to protect the investigation but that they also want independent corroboration that someone saw this or that guy. However, I also do not doubt mistakes were made in the early days particularly.

On top of that I remember a lot of discussion about a possible father and son, a father protecting a son, a father's car or picking the perp up possibly and all sorts of speculation that way. Add to that the cops often saying on the anniversary remarks as if someone close is covering for someone and I even recall remarks like they don't know which person in a household may have done it.... All of this is crime website remarks I saw by us crime followers...

This all seems to fit this scenario but it's confusing and much so this long later... Was something leaking then to a few from someone... Or is tis even related to this case/crime and will it end up another dead end...

Another thought is they didn't know or can't be sure a defense won't be that it was my father on the computer on those sites, etc. They have him in jail now so I imagine that is out the window but we have seen cases where the perp tries to say it was my child using the phone or my wife looking up how to kill me not me looking up how to kill her, etc., etc.

Did this father and son live together... Was dad aware or part of it all...

I don't know if I am making a bit of sense I have always felt this was an internet/social media thing as one of my primary thoughts although I also thought it could have been someone known in their very own area or hometown doing it and possibly someone high up. There has always been a feeling of someone protecting someone...

Reading the bit one can see of the redacted document, it seems apparent he was questioned in regard to this case...

Just random mixed up thoughts.
 
So you think the sketches were of the father and the photos of the model the son was using? I have wondered the same but does this mean father and son were involved or thought to be? It is clear or seems to be that the younger sketch is the model and I thought the older sketch could have been the father or just based on the recording Libby took and just a sketch rendition from that... Or from a description from someone...

One never knows what to take from the Daily Mail as truth. Did you notice they flat out say Abby and Libby had contact with this man or were catfished by him and then in other areas say they "may" have been... They are the only news I have seen claim they had contact...

Part of me is hopeful but the other part of me says if they had anything or enough, we wouldn't be here all of these years later or this may not be connected at all. It seems that perhaps their hand was forced when someone found out about all of this OR at least the part of who he was... They did not come out and name this man but ask people to help determine who it was and then shortly thereafter, the name came out... They won't confirm this or so it sounds... I think news or internet sleuths or media determined who it was on their own .... Doesn't it seem that way? Or do I have it wrong?
I knew about the Canal St, Peru search at the time and thought it was a sex offender address. That is what they did initially, checkout all the sex offenders. Also the police initially stated "know what your children are doing" or something like that and many thought that meant the internet.
 
I knew about the Canal St, Peru search at the time and thought it was a sex offender address. That is what they did initially, checkout all the sex offenders. Also the police initially stated "know what your children are doing" or something like that and many thought that meant the internet.
I remember LE saying something like " "Parents, be aware of what your children are doing on social media."
I really believe Sketch 2 is of the innocent male model whose photos were being used without permission on the fake web site. There is a stunning resemblance to his actual photos. Thankfully LE has not released the male model's name, as he is also a victim.
 

The Delphi Murders: Inside the Search for a Killer​

It’s been nearly five years since Abby Williams and Libby German went missing in Delphi, only to be found murdered the next day. We’re looking at the years-long investigation as police search for the killer.

TIMELINE AT LINK

Though the investigation is ongoing, the community continues to come together and surround the grieving families with hope that someone, someday soon, will be held accountable.
 

On 5th anniversary of Delphi murders, Kelsi German remembers her little sister Libby, Abby Williams​

Five years after the Delphi murders, the families of Abby Williams and Libby German are still figuring out how to move forward.

13News spoke with Libby's older sister about the major life milestones shadowed by her absence.

“She was just such a light to so many people,” said Kelsi German of her sister. "She just wanted to be there and help everybody and that’s how I’ve always wanted to live my life, knowing that she’s my role model now."

As she does every year at this time, Kelsi will spend the anniversary of the deaths with her family, remembering the girls over the weekend with a food drive.

“I think it can get very tiring to do nothing. If we were just sitting at home and not keeping busy, we would have lots of time to be in our own thoughts,” said Kelsi. “So actually going out and doing something for others just brings us a little bit of, you know, this is what we’re doing for them, and we don’t have to think about the bad stuff. We can think about all the good things that are coming out of the bad things that happened."
 

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