FL MADELINE SOTO: Missing from Orlando, FL - 26 Feb 2024 - Age 13 *Found Deceased*

Madeline Soto missing: Florida mom begs for daughter's safe return home

A mother in Orange County is begging for help locating her missing daughter.

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Madeline Soto missing: Florida mom begs for daughter's safe return home​

A mother in Orange County is begging for help locating her missing daughter.

Madeline ‘Maddie’ Soto was last seen on Monday, one day after she and her family celebrated her 13th birthday. Maddie’s mother, Jenn Soto, said surveillance video shows Maddie hanging out in a church parking lot on February 26 after being dropped off for school, but she never made it inside.

"I’m trying to hope for the best, but I’m scared for her," said Jenn Soto. "I want her to be okay; I want her to be safe… I don’t want her to come back harmed. I just want her back – whatever that means, I just want her back."

Jenn Soto said sheriff’s deputies are using K9s and a piece of Maddie’s clothing to try to track her scent near Town Loop Boulevard.

According to Jenn Soto, Maddie had never run away before. She said the teen had forgotten her cell phone at home that morning, but that was normal.

As of Wednesday morning, a variety of search teams are out searching for Maddie.


MEDIA - MADELINE SOTO: Missing from Orlando, FL - 26 Feb 2024 - Age 13

 

[GrandmaBear]

Interview ends abruptly after this, we will sort all out, see what is what and in meantime we are going to hold onto your phone okay? Any questions for us...?

I do think I've heard this before or some of it but have focus tonight listening to it...

 

[GrandmaBear]

Immediaely, how long are you going to need my phone, I just, I. Female detective quickly interrupts, I'm not sure I am waiting for my supervisor to call me. These are practiced detectives imo. He's just I just--my dad-- is using that to get a hold of me and get updates. She is quick again and fast and says they can call Jenn's phone. He really messed up In this area of the phone things but we already know what they found on it...

Jenn though per him was there when some factory reset accidentally happened.... Was she or was she going to lie about this for him too....

 

[GrandmaBear]

All interesting, some we have seen before but this stuff is mostly coming at about two thirds in...

 

[GrandmaBear]

Oh boy, now onto an interview I have NOT heard where the female detective is much more pushy with him and asked when the phone reset before or after he left that morning and he struggles and says before. And more. Just now hearing. HOW the heck was Jenn there and awake if it was BEFORE he took her to school... Doesn't line up with both their stories whatsoever...

 

[GrandmaBear]

Wow. This woman is not Jenn. Too bad she wasn't Maddie's mother. She is putting him through is paces without really breaking any rules... She ain't buying it and he is realizing it. He's slipping and he falls back on the same old thing, not awake, not a morning person, can't explain the factory reset, etc. BUT said it was BEFORE. Well WHEN was Jenn awake and with him BEFORE??? Even per Jenn? Total liars, the BOTH of them.

She'd at minimum cover for him before giving a sh*t what happened to her daughter. And I am sorry, but it is WAY more than that. I've listened to all of hers and the things that don't add up. This particular interview with him in this one IS NEW to me.

 

[GrandmaBear]

BOY is SHE putting him through his paces. She is quick, he is trying to slow it and he is stumbling with answers big time but she is directly on it. With what he apparently thinks of women, he'd probably love to throttle her. She is giving authority big time and running the interview. He is trying to just be dumb guy... Not flying. Wow.

If anyone wants to just see THIS one nailing him in on time and issues, but I did try to get the time stamp and think this one starts at about one hour and 3 minutes in. He IS trying to control the interview and get dumb but

OH BOY. Now male detective pipes in and they are nailing him on his timeline and the smoke shop, etc. He is nailed.

He continues playing not a morning person, has ADHD and the just imperfect guy who can't get things quite right.

She is awesome. They all are. They know sh*t by this interview! OMG now they are asking if she was awake (Maddie) her position in his car when he came into he complex, was she conked out, where was her head, etc. THIS IS WHEN they KNOW clearly. Know a LOT.

 

[GrandmaBear]

They are very much tag teaming him and she gives him NO time to answer before hitting him with another question. MAN do they have a PRIZE in this detective. All actually. She is GREAT at her job! I highly recommend listening to this interview, again I believe it starts at one hour 3 minutes in. Or shortly thereafter if one doesn't want to watch all the interviews.

He's holding on but because he has to I'm sure. He knows not to commit further on details. And he is so obviously lying. And flailing.

ADHD excuse again, the way his brain works, not a morning person, very time blind, and forgetful, he is SO sorry. But they KNOW. She is being very tense and short with him and it's a great attitude with him imo.

I'm just very impressed. She kind of acts overdone from all they are doing and how he can't help or provide answers that make sense, etc. and how hard they are working and short with him, who is no help....

Only watching it can one know. I don't have words to describe it. They are NAILING him in.

And here he goes whiny for self again, his brain is so msh, hasnt' slept or eaten in days, big sigh.

She keeps interrupting him constantly lol. In this entire case and all this dump, THIS IS a MUST LISTEN. .

He is so obviously what he is in this. I will guarantee you he hates her and is just sticking to his fading but usual game of poor me, no memory, no sleep, not a morning person and trying to turn the tables but it isn't flying... I'm sure it has with other people in his life through the years.

They were both doing their part but this female detective, oh my goodness. She wasn't nicey nice now but ramped it up calling him out, not to the point of arresting yet but man, clearly they knew sh*t by now and she was giving him not a moment and calling him out.

I'm just IMPRESSED. BUt they ALLl know what they are doing, she came in in some interviews when male was talking to him and vice versa in this one. All doing their job and know exactly what they are doing.

Kudos to all of them. High praise.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Wow, can't share it all but this started over one hour in and was done by 1:28 or 29 in. The are going to work on phone overnight she says. This is the night he goes to his folks after calling dad in... It has been said he got panicked over them having his phone and he went there to get on folks wifi and try to get into his account and delete stuff. I do NOT know where that comes from but believe it to be from the documents and reports. And remember Jenn said he'd only been missing 25 minutes which was NOT true. I haven't seen much on the reports and transcripts and such, The Docket said he can't do such, too graphic, etc. and awful. Not the only one who has said that. So there's other stuff than all these tons of recorded interviews that I have not seen and I don't want the graphic either but would not mind the any other info around such.

I'm barely caught up with the initial stuff, think I have one more I left up to get through but there's already a lot more out so no way will I likely ever catch up.

All I know is this was a very impressive handling of him in this last interview although he stuck to his b.s. because what else does he dare do... It was so obvious though it was not being bought, for one split second...

Man I am impressed. And I even wonder if it was intentionally the female that did such although the male did pipe in and it was clear the reason for that too...

 

[Regina]

Lol. You might not understand my vehemence but I also don't get your lack of thinking some things are notable. Like that. But then apparently you hadn't heard it. There's a lot released and I sure am not through it all.

Well, I do find it notable but I don't know whether one thing had anything to do with the other.
In the first place, I don't recall any info re Madeline on the Saturday and as for Sterns, I question everything, including that he acually was extremely anxious but out of meds.

yes I saw the bit about him covering the backpack with paint or some such. he's really a dumb man. however, they were really quickly on things here. they have him dead to rights and never getting out imo. and did so quite quickly.

Yeah, and one crock was retrieved from the dumpster but apparently, it was only that one.

I don't recall all but I do recall this. As I said Stephan let dad know or vice versa dad called he got there at around 6:30. I may be off minutes but thereabouts. But then he had Sunpass charges after that. This IS Saturday, no argument he went on Saturday, no question I don't think by anyone. He couldn't understand why he'd go back out or go anywhere (the dad) based on all he was told or knew. Then all other accounts and Stephan's as well are that he arrived at around 8:30 or shortly after Maddie was dropped off...

Not even sure it's significant but I'd like to know the Sun pass info and which direction, etc. He may simply have just lied to dad or he got there could not get in and Maddie wasn't home yet and took a drive and killed time and kept checking. NOW IF he was checking out the dumping spot for the following day, that would be significant. Or IF he was getting drugs somewhere, etc. Again not sure if any significance. And lot of what the parents said I'm sure comes from Stephan, not all, but a lot, and he lies...

So now I'm not completely sure whether he was there that Sat or Sun. (And it was making sense to me that it was that Sun, lol!)
Btw, I haven't heard any mention as to why Sterns didn't go to Madeline's party, have you? And if he was there the day prior, I find it very odd that he wouldn't have been asked why he missed it.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Well, I do find it notable but I don't know whether one thing had anything to do with the other.
In the first place, I don't recall any info re Madeline on the Saturday and as for Sterns, I question everything, including that he acually was extremely anxious but out of meds.

Yeah, and one crock was retrieved from the dumpster but apparently, it was only that one.

So now I'm not completely sure whether he was there that Sat or Sun. (And it was making sense to me that it was that Sun, lol!)
Btw, I haven't heard any mention as to why Sterns didn't go to Madeline's party, have you? And if he was there the day prior, I find it very odd that he wouldn't have been asked why he missed it.

Now I'm confused. He arrived at Jenn's on Sunday. I may have even mixed that up if I think about it and go back to look. he was panicking and anxious on Saturday. I think too I keep thinking of birthday parties as typically on Saturdays. Per his parents, he was going though because he was invited to the party, etc. which actually makes no sense since the party started earlier that day than he arrived. I think they perhaps assumed that about the party. Per others, he was never invited to Jenn's family events. Who knows...

It's like he arrived to see to Maddie once brought home while Jenn was still working or that's how it seems to me... He SURE was not there for the birthday despite whatever lie he gave his parents.

Now that I think about it I may have mixed up days, it just always seems this is Saturday to Sunday but it was Sunday to Monday, the taking her to school day.

He was not there the day prior, did I say something to confuse that? I very well may have.

I am actually watching someone I haven't watched before who is going through the paper transcripts, etc. dumped. It's been said they are pretty disturbing and not sure I wanted to, The Docket guy said he wouldn't and couldn't. So far nothing really that bad and much heard before. I thought I'd give it a try and shall see. If it gets bad, I will simply stop.

Rather than listen, I'd probably prefer to just read the actual paperwork. Have you run into anywhere where one can just download them and read? If anyone does, I'd appreciate a link. Again there, I'd read until I coudln't take it and just see if I can get through such. There also is supposedly more coming so I'll likely never be caught up. I never have heard like the roommate's interview or her mother's to date, but am seeing reference to what the roommate said now in these paper documents.

But to be clear, if I mixed something up with saying days, Stephan went to Jenn's on the Sunday. And somewhat late so why it would be thought he was attending her party, I have no idea. I think that's a lie told his parents perhaps or they just assumed such. But what did they think, the party was late Sunday night with school the next day?? Probably just a story he gave them or they assumed. That is what happens when tons of interview and people on the perimeter say things that they are not in direct knowledge of and just assumed or figured.

So are you saying I confused this OR do you mean there is some question that he may have went on Saturday...? I think the first most likely...

 

[Regina]

So you did finally see the parents' interview I take it. Yes, there are things that probably came from Stephan and are their own takes on things probably in some cases too.

However, compared to like Jenn, he was very forthcoming.

He was paying his rent, etc., etc. As far as what fell through? You man coming home and working with him? He got home and went back to his same old sh*t and never attempted to do a thing, do the job, etc., etc.

I was confused as to where a lot of their info actually came from. They seemed to repeatedly say "they" told "us" and I recall the detective at least once having to clarify who told "them".
It's very interesting to me, though, especially since Sterns and Jenn did that "we" thing.

You imply that Jenn wasn't forthcoming but I don't know what you mean. How was she not forthcoming?

Yes, I mean moving back to work with his father. I understand that Sterns returned to the same ole **** (lol!) but that doesn't tell me what happened with the job.

Yes, the father said he was paying rent but he didn't say where he thought Sterns paycheck was going if not for rent.

 

[Regina]

OMG the sexted thing? I just heard that interview this morning, cold, had not seen a bit of it and she gave her response and my brain went did SHE just say SEXTED? That's before the split second where he asked. It is WHAT it sounded LIKE she said. That's not a mindsight, I thought she said sexted and I was watching it anew and I am like WOW when she answered in that split second.

And so I think you are taking that wrong. I thought she SAID sexted. And no detective is not going to double check that. I was like WHOA did I hear what I just thought I did... And THEN he asked.

I'm serious. I did not even know this was what you thought until now and I just heard it this morning and knew of nothing in it. it SOUNDED like she said sexted. He'd be remiss not to clarify such.

If that's your reason, I entirely think you have that take all wrong.

Well, it could be that I would have expected her to say texting- which is what she actually did say- and so that's why I wouldn't have thought I heard sexting.
But I take issue with the questioning of another witness- a teacher, I believe- that after having already stated that there was nothing noticeably amiss with Madeline, the detective went on to ask questions re signs of abuse.
Now, to me, the witness had already answered that question so the detective should have just left it at that.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I was confused as to where a lot of their info actually came from. They seemed to repeatedly say "they" told "us" and I recall the detective at least once having to clarify who told "them".
It's very interesting to me, though, especially since Sterns and Jenn did that "we" thing.

You imply that Jenn wasn't forthcoming but I don't know what you mean. How was she not forthcoming?

Yes, I mean moving back to work with his father. I understand that Sterns returned to the same ole **** (lol!) but that doesn't tell me what happened with the job.

Yes, the father said he was paying rent but he didn't say where he thought Sterns paycheck was going if not for rent.

She is far moer guarded and not sharing as openly as say his father. She watches her answers. And more. Is what I mean about Jenn.

His parents definitely a lot of it I'm sure came from Stephan himself but there is also plenty in it as to what they saw, paid for, dealt with, etc.

In the one I am watching now which is going through transcripts or reports, I just saw a friend of Stephans talking of when Jenn and Stephan lived in North Port. Not sure I knew that? I know they had visited HIS parents on occasion and stayed there as his parents said as much but they LIVED there at one point?? Did his child have ANY stability?

And yet in this same overall coverage of different interviews in this report, her ex husband of only a year or two states they lived in the home with her father when they were married with his daughter and hers as she was in now in Orlando/Kissimmee. So Madeline's had lots of ups, downs, moves, men in mom's life and changes because apparently went from there to North Port at minimum with Stephan and then back to dad's house to live with Stephan and roommates at some point.

The "we" bothers me to both end and they BOTH do it in more than one interview. Jennifer also allegedly told Maddie's friend AND her father SHE took Maddie to school that day, and told them that at two different times!

She may be innocent but if she is, what in the HE77 is she doing. And I don't consider lying, perjuring and helping her molestor and killer innocent.

As to the job do you mean what happened with the Disney job or what happened with the job with dad? With dad, he never performed, went back as you say to his same ol' ****.

Yeah dad didn't say where he thought paycheck was going but he did say no one could live independently on a $30K a year job with Disney so I assume he figured as much or that would be my guess how he explained it to self. I don't think though he was okay with it because he put an end to him paying his rent and remarked on how when at home even packages would arrive even though he had no income known of and he wondered where he got the money.... I think honestly his parents put up with a lot and deal with a lot with him through his entire life. Of course maybe they contributed, bought in not knowing what was wrong with him, probably especially mom, but like I said before they didn't do him huge favors and dad particularly did not shy away from giving the truest light about his son and his suspicions, etc... He did not believe the accidental phone reset just for example and MANY other things.

 

[Regina]

I'm not sure there is an interview with Stephan after they found the sh*t on his phone...? I think he lawyered up.

Actually, I think we may very well have heard that interview, that that part was redacted...
Yeah, as I understand it, he lawyered up but I'm not sure whether the father ever retained one. To my knowledge, Jenn never obtained a lawyer.
I remember the father asking a detective whether Jenn had one and he told him no.
I'm sure you also remember that but do you remember whether it was before or after he was notified of Sterns arrest?

 

[GrandmaBear]

Need to take a break from it. Taking in too much in one morning but wanting to catch up also on it.

I don't know how to explain how much this case gets to me. It's just indescribable. I also finished a few I had been on for a week off and on yesterday. Just oversaturated and during the week it is even harder and now I've taken some hours each day to do more.

I have NO DOUBT what HE IS. But mom well... That's something else...

The life this child had! it is clear she had people that loved her that she loved, grandpa's break down over talking a Burger King Whopper with her for her 13th absolutely destroyed me. I think both families put up with adult kids and dealth with a lot from both (Stephan and Jennifer) and had to help their failure to launch kids with everything at great cost, stress and toll probably throughout their lives. And then a child comes along and have to help with that too because she couldn't even support or take care of herself!! Such does happen, I get it but in all the years, did it get better? NO. With either of the two and their respective parents.

He is an evil twisted piece of sh*t and warped on top of it. He should be shamed and embarrassed to no end that all know of some of his sick things (I doubt of all yet, sure there are more) from cameras under doors on roommates and friend's girlfriends to blow up dolls in mom and dad's house to his life is playing games and molesting children and sex kink and self gratification to murder at such an age.

I CANNOT WRAP my head around mom though. Each extended family is understandable having to deal with their respective "adult" children and their choices through life and failures to launch.

The one roommate, the one with a child of her own, said she rarely saw them but one time only she knew Maddie was in Stephan's room and she texted Jenn are you okay with that, and Jenn was "thank you".

She SENT her CHILD TO HIS BED. There were YEARS of this going on.

Yes, I need to take a break from it. Big time.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Well, it could be that I would have expected her to say texting- which is what she actually did say- and so that's why I wouldn't have thought I heard sexting.
But I take issue with the questioning of another witness- a teacher, I believe- that after having already stated that there was nothing noticeably amiss with Madeline, the detective went on to ask questions re signs of abuse.
Now, to me, the witness had already answered that question so the detective should have just left it at that.

I'm going to take a break as ingested a lot too early this morning but saw this before leaving.

I can't stress that even with knowing nothing about it how I heard sexting on my first listen and this was before the detective in a split instant asked about what I just thought I heard as he heard the same... That's what happened there.

As far as the teacher interviews, these are standard questions on repeat at times. I don't see anything in that at all. I actually in one job took recorded interviews. Not as LE but it was insurance related and going out to get the truth and a statement on record to a witness's home, that of an injured person, etc. I'd lay out all the questions ahead as I was not seasoned at it and new to it but I also looked at what those seasoned ones sending me out did in their interviews and you do often come back to something and ask it a second time just to see if you get the same response. Or you just forget you asked it because you can plan your questions but as their responses go and you let the conversation go sideways as you might get more from them, you then have to come back to ground zero and stay on remembering to ask all you want to ask. I was no detective nor any seasoned anything.

I don't find this odd or unfair at all. I see them all pretty much as absolutely outstanding and knowing EXACTLY what they are doing.

That's nothing imo, so he asked a question twice about abuse. That is significant to you out of everything in this case? I'd have likely asked it three times at different points just to see if anything had jogged or to be sure or see if they answered the same.

I find nothing but excellence from most of them and their play with both detectives at a time too. SHE is absolutely EXCEPTIONAL. That last interview with Stearns OMG. And the one or two times the male piped in was almost choreographed imo...

Anyhow, I simply disagree and think this is nothingness and the sexting remark I heard her say sexting to, it hit me instantly. BEFORE he asked her because he heard the same thing.

I don't see a thing with anything at all in this investigation re LE or the detectives. They did an outstanding job, found her, found his deleted years of SA of the child and more and quickly. Found her backpack and laptop. Found video. Nailed them both into many interviews and body cam recordings. Right OUT OF THE GATE.

So I respectfully disagree. I see though a lot more of a lot more significance than this. I do caps, you do exclamation marks with vehemence LOL.

Anyhow, glad you will discuss it regardless of if we see some of it differently.

You know, before I take a break, some news and YTers like The Docket (not sure about Gray, you might know) and others suspect this is not going to trial because of all this unusual dump. I think they just don't know Florida with their sunshine laws. They don't hide info during a case when there are FOIA requests. As it was, it took longer than it used to, they would probably LIKE to have kept it from the public... I don't think it means that at all. They are simply complying with their laws and ways. And I agree with such transparency and all the sealed cases and docs and gag orders in other cases in other states lately I entirely disagree with.

That said, he is an idiot to take this all the way to trial, either the SA charges or the homicide. But most perps do. There is not a conscience in this man of any kind or in any respect, whether parents, gfs, children, friends, anyone. No limits, no conscience, nothing but sick twisted self gratification and using others. Jmo.

I may be back but taking a break from watching the transcript and other things on it. I do appreciate that you discuss it although boy we don't get each other a lot of the time in cases, sometimes rarely we are on the same page, others we are miles apart. Lol. Makes it interesting though when the cases are nothing but sad and tragic. This one is very much so. it bothers me to NO END.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Actually, I think we may very well have heard that interview, that that part was redacted...
Yeah, as I understand it, he lawyered up but I'm not sure whether the father ever retained one. To my knowledge, Jenn never obtained a lawyer.
I remember the father asking a detective whether Jenn had one and he told him no.
I'm sure you also remember that but do you remember whether it was before or after he was notified of Sterns arrest?

I actually got after a retired cop YTer months ago about saying Jenn was lawyered up. Such types say they only do facts and I challenged how he knew that... And to be fair he admitted he did not know it to be true. It is in something in this dump that she did not have a lawyer some time back and the woman does not have the resources and would not be given a public defender so I seriously doubt even now she has one unless family has helped.

This is getting like Daybell, entirely different, but so much with info dumps and things and then it gets hard to recall all, at least for me, most people from what I've seen actually in that case, now this one is starting to get that way, but from what I recall, the minute he was faced with arrested on SA he asked for a lawyer. And that was it. It is said by his father Jenn insisted he gets him a lawyer. Not sure that can be confirmed anywhere else but his folks never did to my knowledge. I think his folks are torn honestly and feel relief they don't have to deal with him in their home either. I feel for them honestly. They maybe right or wrong tried their best with a kid, maybe even enabled who then turned into nothing but an adult kid with seriously twisted harmful ways and an interest in children, filming adult women secretly and all other sorts of things stealing (from them even) and you name it.

yes, now I read your third sentence. His dad did ask the detective if she had a lawyer and he said no. She would not unless ever charged be provided a free one so the likelihood of her having one even now is slim. They are expensive as we know. Unless family is helping or knows someone that is a lawyer that can at least advise her it is doubtful she has one imo.

not sure sure what your forth sentence is referring to? Do you mean as far as when the parents interview was and whether it was before or after arrest?

 

[GrandmaBear]

I think I need to clear my head a bit by saying this.

I am hitting the part again where Stephan's dad, Chris, says the story Stephan gave him about Maddie going tmising and dropping at school, etc. was a rehearsal because it is the same exact thing he told LE that we saw on news. He also said when he gave him a story of the phone reset, he knew that was b.s.

I want to point this out because it is clear these parents, him for the most part, but even mom didn't argue most of these things, I think she struggles more, are not protecting their son and will even out him in this way. Jenh HE77 was more trying to save him than they are.

So I think his parents get a lot of his number however it goes to show when you are close and not looking from the outside in and you are in the thick of the stress, the issues, the costs of having someone like this in the family and you care about them you don't see all but they saw a heck of a lot more than she claims to have (Jenn).

However they can['t know all as their son is a liar and has a life away from them at times or has had and knowing what is truth or not from someone like that is nearly impossible and that alone I am sure can drive one about over the edge on whether to believe them or not at times when they are being played for money, rent, help, come to town while he sneaks home when dad does, etc.

I am really trying to make this post clear and logical here. And make the point I am thinking but not sure if I can get across. So after Jenn actually had a conversation with Stephan's dad in which they agree he is a master manipulator and liar.... And no doubt that's what they lived and saw imo.

However, how does he look to those of us not close to him? Or when you are caught up in a relationship and it is your son or bf, etc. and life has its own stress and other issues and you have a kid or he is costing you money or hash issues, etc. Her too but the way probably to her parents... But I am talking him right now.

To US and to LE he was obviously stupid and a liar from the start! His interviews are SO FAKE, his lies SO obvious, the sh*t and evidence he left SO stupid. Where is the MASTER liar and manipulator part of this? He's very stupid. My point is it is people in a relationship or who care that are blinded and his dad is not entirely blinded, nor is mom although I'd say dad is more there. He's obvious as HE77 and although this was HEINOUS and horrific, HOW can no one have picked up on this for years on end?

Now his folks had at least to his lies. His MOTHER even knew enough to keep Maddie out of "their" bedroom when they stayed with them EVEN if her own mother was present in the bedroom... Makes me wonder if other suspicions there...

So I"m sure they were blinded to a point as to this was their son and they cared, but they have a realistic view of him based on what they've seen through the years, they might not know all, but they don't protect him and say what they have seen.

And then there is JENN. Wow protects him during, after, etc. and more and had him around for YEARS on end since he daughter was in single digits. Who can't and never saw sh*t? his parents see it and he wasn't living with them all those years.

But a master manipulator and liar? This man is so obvious it is not even funny. He made every mistake he could, he has not a brain cell, he is sick, twisted, murderous, self gratifying, cares about no one, nothing but self. His parents see a lot, what is wrong with JENN and did she truly not, the one who SENT her off to bed with him where his own parents would not with the TWO of them.

Finally she calls the dad I believe after his arrest and per dad she chatted his ear off and he talked to her more than she had ever spoken to him in the entire time of knowing her. Not upset or grieving like or anything either.

The woman is covering her own butt.

At minimum she simply did not care and it was just easier for her to not care and throw her daughter to him. At worst, worst is a lot worst. Somewhere in the middle isn't good either.

My point was about him being a master manipulator and liar and he is not a good one and it is so easily obvious to anyone on the outside but maybe not so much to those that are in relationships with him but even his parents had a better clue than Jenn. Allegedly. I'm not buying it. After YEARS. In the SAME HOME.

Just like calling his dad after, she is trying to align and cover her own butt after trying to cover hers and his stupidly from the get go.

Anyhow I can see why families and significant others can be blind to a point, we all get that I think as they are in the thick of dealing with such a person and the rest of stress it brings and life brings going on at the same time, where to outsiders it is so obvious the minute one hears them, etc. BUT not THIS clueless. Even his parents weren't THAT clueless.

Neither was she. She simply didn't care. Whatever was easiest for her. She never once said a complimentary word about her own daughter. She never has. All one can sense is Jenn need he sleep and her needs met and Maddie was a stress on top of it with her problems.

A couple people said she was emotional and cried. The second roommate said such when Jenn told her Maddie was missing. She also said Stephan acted unaffected. Interesting since he's the one who gets all teary and emotional on camera and saying she was a 'good girl" where Jenn did nothing of the sort. But then it is opposite behind the scenes. However imo Jenn's tears then were because they were being looked at, interviewed, cops were ever present, she couldn't get baked, take pills and pass out after sending her kid to bed with her molestor, had to stay up late because LE was there. That's where the tears came from. Her LIFE was being turned upside down and she couldn't just do "her thing'. And after she KEPT covering for him OR MAYBE FOR THE TWO OF THEM.

Both of them are a piece of work. i've seen other cases on far less than this where the mother was charged with negligence at minimum right out of the gate. There's a reason they are not. They are going for bigger. if she gets charged, she gets a public defender/attorney. Jmo.

I have went on with this now from what I aimed to point out but I did do that part and stayed to it.

I saw an interesting bit today about her being asked what time she woke up and she was starting to say she thought the dog woke her up and she was then up and Stephan immediately interjected and said no I told you to go back to sleep and I'd take care of the dog... He was stopping her from what looked like she was about to say she was up since then...

I don't know but will finish with saying anything goes here yet with me... To me here entire timeline and responses don't add up in her multiple interviews with what was going on...

No one is ever going to explain to me a mother sending her child to bed with him. Or to most folk. Her own roommate texted her about them being alone in his room together and is this okay with you??? A roommate who hardly saw or knew them. YOU DO NOT DO THAT.

Many out there believe she pretty much pimped her daughter out to him and was just fine with it. Hey I'd prefer not to believe it but this is one case I can't say it isn't entirely possible that's exactly what was going on here, if not more.

I've said it before and will again, at minimum in best case scenario, this woman needs some serious help and intervention. Her decisions are terrible and selfish and she also is entirely self indulgent and can't take care of anything or anyone.

I gave her some benefit of the doubt in the beginning but it's gone nothing but the other way ever since. And I suspect more than that, by a long shot.

I think LE is playing the long game and of course he is key first. But there's plenty here, more than ample for negligence and failure to protect as a parent, and even possibly abuse.

Now I REALLY do have to get away from it and not let my last day off go south.

This case and this dump is quite something. With more to come.

It is good to discuss it though and let it out because it is a lot. And so I do.

 

[Regina]

Can I ask you a serious question though? Let's say Jennifer is the most clueless, in denial, naive person for a ton of years on the face of this earth and even deals with mental issues, meds, and so on. Do you see her as a responsible mom and not a negligent one? One that takes the easy or selfish route? One that just can't do it? Or any of those things?

And would you agree IF entirely INNOCENT but blind, she needs some serious help in seeing sh*t for what it is?

I think it's more than that but we don't have to agree, I'm just asking about the basics. Granted he maybe played her to no end but man this went on for YEARS and she underplays everything.

Just wondering if you see that at least.

And you don't have to agree, of course, but if I were here, and I've been naive in my life although this is a very different point of naivete and length, you learn from such. And she just kept going and protecting him even after....

It's totally understandable why most don't understand and cannot see it.

And she is NOT unintelligent.

They are both huge losers imo, but adding in evil, at least on his part, makes it far worse than that.

This woman was content to crash and indulge self and send her daughter to bed with an adult male.

Do you have any takes on that that are not in her favor?

I don't think Jenn's just naive or unintelligent or clueless but I think there are reasons she was easily manipulated and yes, for years.
I think she trusted Sterns and couldn't imagine that he'd ever abuse Madeline; I think if she didn't trust him or could imagine it, then I don't think she would have allowed them to be alone together, much less, sleep in the same bed in another room.
That morn, I think she truly believed Sterns had dropped-off Madeline.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I don't think Jenn's just naive or unintelligent or clueless but I think there are reasons she was easily manipulated and yes, for years.
I think she trusted Sterns and couldn't imagine that he'd ever abuse Madeline; I think if she didn't trust him or could imagine it, then I don't think she would have allowed them to be alone together, much less, sleep in the same bed in another room.
That morn, I think she truly believed Sterns had dropped-off Madeline.

I don't. There's maybe a WANT to believe or make oneself believe but I think that's different than actually believing it. And I'm not even convinced of that.

She also knew how to minimize how many times she ever sent them to bed. And I'm also sorry but just a 13 year old even needing to sleep with mom OR the two of you, you are a pretty messed up parent at any parenting skills. She minimized a lot as interviews went on. And explained more and changed more.

I'm not going to say I still don't go back and forth on her. I mean this morning, I saw again how fine with and easy she was about giving her phone to investigators whereas he did as well but he was NOT not worried about it as things showed in other ways re that...

But then why would anything be on her phone... If just letting him do as she would with the girl.

I AM saying I am no at the benefit of the doubt point I was at the beginning and I have ruled NOTHING out now.

You know there are people who think in almost every child case it is sex trafficking, pedophilia rins, internet CSAM, etc. and I rarely do and think they are reaching for no reason. In this case though, I'm ruling nothing out and that includes mom.

You just DO NOT DO THIS. Who does not know this?? Maybe if she was 20 perhaps not. But by this age and point in life?

You know she says a lot of "I wanted to believe" like that he dropped her off, not that she "believed" and she says it after being hit for saying such things in the beginning...

I also can't ignore her I took her to school per the friend and her dad. And the fact a roommate pointed out they were in his room alone together and SHE knew you should wonder about such and to ask mom. She cannot be that stupid. It was easier for her if you ask me, at minimum. MINIMUM.

Whether knowing more or being guilty or not as to involvement, and I've ruled NONE of that out, in fact suspicions are worse than in beginning, she too was totally selfish and failed in many ways big time here.

I mean honestly take out the crime and you talk about two such total losers. Who were so much alike. Their parents had to support both and her child on top of it.

Like I said, there's no argument I don't think re him or much to discuss or debate, it is clear what a monster he is.

But I am never going to see Jennifer Soto in any favorable light, even if giving it the best possible look. She could have redeemed herself some even with different choices after and even now. I heard not a single positive word out of her mouth about her daughter in countless interviews. I heard plenty of the daughter's issues and by far more about Jenn's needs and issues and excuses.

God how about this:

I was a clueless and naive mother and I failed. I lost my daughter and I am heartbroken. I should have known but didn't see it but I will see him paying for what he did to her if it takes my least breath. We did not have it easy and Maddie had struggles and so did I but she was my heart. And I will see to it she gets justice.

There is nothing like that in her. That would be the need to be said by anyone who truly was just naive and blindsided. Imo.

It's a minor thing and may mean little or not, but Maddie was found in a green hoodie and blue jeans. NOT black shorts or pants. Jenn sure interjected and said she was in black shorts when allegedly she never saw her but claimed to know that.

There's just so much.

Anyhow, I am just making it clear we disagree. I am never going to see her as truly naive, I see her more as wanting what she wanted and to heck with all else and not wanting to know at MINIMUM. But knowing or suspecting. And likely imo even worse.