You give a lot of food for thought.
FL has always been very very open records, it seems at times like everywhere some don't know how to get them, or whoever may be in office in a county or state or LE kind of hope to hold records back but their laws are very much for open records, last I knew anyhow. So much changes under our noses for laws and then different states though it is almost impossible to be sure sometimes.
Our state was flat out I'd say one of the easiest too with records and for putting them onto the court site and so on. Even in the case records, one could often see a lot of details on who was a hearing, birthdates, various things like that but at some point it changed. Now a lot of that doesn't show on the online court records, I suppose someone sued or someone else that came into office changed it.
I DO agree with open records but things like birth dates, addresses and some other things of course shouldn't be maybe easily accessible. i get what you are saying about before a trial. It all makes for interesting debate and conversation.
Here is one I'm not a fan of: That both sides have to pretty much commit to what their case is going to be in court and tell the other everything. I guess in some ways it is good, but I don't think in all ways it is. That woud be an interesting conversationon someday too, imo.
The jail calls. Hmm. I can go a bit both ways on that... Mostly I'm in favor. I mean people are in prison at least (jail maybe not so much) because they are convicted bad people and we can't have them calling a hit man, just an off the wall example. Jail is a bit different but I still favor it being public/open/recorded. I guess imo in general if you are telling the truth what do you need to hide? And the atty/client thing is still protected. I GUESS you could have need (not you I mean that generally, any of the public) to want a private conversation say about let me throw something out there, maybe your father having an affair on your mom or something (again I mean that as to anyone of us)
and it has no relation to your charges and is no one's business. So I guess in that way, yes, perhaps some should allow for privacy, or the death of a family member, etc.
On the flip side they are in a public or govt facility using their phones, tablets, service and so on. Most of the time too, in my cynical opinion the only reason one would want to get around that or most of those in jail, etc. is for wrongdoing. Maybe that's not fair and I'm certainly not saying all are guilty and everyone imo unless totally out of touch know such are recorded. Lori just tried something like that in Daybell about IP addresses versus a phone # and it didn't fly and shouldn't have imo. What it showed me is she thought she knew how to get around such IF indeed it was true and so did her atty. Then we have Kouri Richins who was trying to get her mom and brother to say certain things...
Anyhow, to not digress further, it's a good subject and you always bring some interesting topics too, I enjoy the discussion.
I am pretty sure I have not seen that show, it's possible I could know a case though, so many are covered so many places.
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I'd never quit loving my child no matter what they did, I'm pretty darned sure of that so I get that part with some of the parents. I do believe though in teaching accountability and not enabling, althouggh I get that is easy to say if we haven't lived it. Most of us claim things but haven't lived them, oh we'd never do this, or do that, we never took our eyes off our child for a second etc. I don't believe most of some of that for a second. And believe me I'd HAVE to know my child was guilty or I'd defend to the end. If I did however and there was just no doubt, I'd want them to face up to what they did. At least I think so. And it's also a lot different when talking pedophilia and murdering a child and dominating probably most of her life, than talking a traffic ticket right?
Sometimes it is just time whether the parents or child to face up to things and not enable. Again it's easy to say that of course. Different than living it for sure. And i've seen both sides of it at various points in life. I get it. I think any caring parent does.
And then there is the reverse side where children can't believe their parent is guilty. Chad Daybell's kids, the Morphew girls, tons of examples. I think maybe that's easier in some ways to understand. We most of us idolize our parents, siblings, etc. and we are young. I understood all of them but you know, imo, there just comes a time and it's sad and life is hard but living in denail often results in harder times because you never faced anything. I don't know I truly don't. It's a tough one.
I'll say in our case, I think the parents mostly knew their son had done what he did but the sister would have pulled any darned thing to save him and was pulling it. I guess I just would think parents have lived more years and should know more but yeah, I would fight if I thought my kid not guilty. The thing is though I don't think that's always the case, it is as you say denial, that's different and can mean they know in their hearts he did it, that's escapism for lack of a better word. I don't really like the term denial either, or closure, other things, but to explain what I mean.
I can't say enough if I truly thought my kid innocent or railroaded that yes, for sure, I'd fight. And it is heartbreaking for all, both sides in cases, etc. However I'm a pretty hard believer that consequences matter as do morals, etc., etc.
I guess I don't really have the words but I try, too much lol. Enabling made some of these kids possibly somewhat the way they are. Not all, but some. Sometimes a parent did all they could right and it still happens I get that. I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm not 100% one way. I can wonder if anyone could ever convince me for instance that my dad killed my mom. Or my uncle killed a stranger and covered it up. Or a child did something like these things either. I'm making all up but I do think about such. I think though most in their hearts even if seemingly in denial really do know.
Another case would be Aidan Fucci. His mom washed his jeans. Now why are you doing that if you believe he did nothing wrong...
I don't know, I truly don't. I do very much get the hard side of it, and I sure wouldn't want it. I am clearly very pro victim and owning up and I admit it. And who knows, again I say it is easy to talk but living it is I am sure different.
You know by the end of our case, I felt for the parents, the grandma and more. No one wins. I did not and still do not for the sister and HIM. And while the judge sentenced way too light for our taste, he did have some things to say that I really should get the record of one day. First he never owned up. Another was that his wanting forgivness is not up to him, it's up to us. And hew as a church going etc. judge. I'm wandering but that's just so true.
Neither side won but HE did this. Man I'd have hated to be in their shoes, their son did this, but our side was beyond horrid too to live with, it still is.
Anyhow, sorry for you if on your phone, and am stopping, but yeah, I get it, and I do think about all of such things. Do you believe in accountability and tough sentences? I'm talking more the serious things like murder, hurting children, and so on.
Anyhow, yeah, you make for some good thought, debate, which is what people imo need to do. Life isn't easy. I wasn't the perfect parent but enabling children never does them any good. NONE of us were perfect and those that claim it are liars imo lol. I also believe EVERY family is dysfunctional (another term) or has someone that is, at least to an extent and if they claim perfection, they are lying. LOL.
Well you got a long one here. Sorry for that. I think though they are good discussions to be had before the world goes to total he77 lol. Or maybe it should be more like
and not an lol.
