Suspicious death of Gene Hackman, his wife and their dog in New Mexico - February 2025

Tresir said:
I thought that was it. She died first and as she looked after him he died after her.

Still very sad no family had contacted or seen them for over two months, so not even at Christmas.
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I knew one daughter hadn't, was that true of all? Not sure I heard that.

Well they were reclusive, it's hard to say if he or the wife preferred they have no contact or if the kids chose not to be in contact. There are a few pics through the years where kids are with he and her but they are usually at events if I recall. Maybe they were one of those families that only showed unity in front of cameras. That's not a knock, I just know he talks of not being there enough and perhaps some hard feelings in earlier years from the kids. I'd say it's very unusual imo for there not to be more contact with him especially when he's 95 and recently in not so great health (sounds like he had some decline the last few months). I mean to put it bluntly at 95 and not perfect health you know these are likely the last days and certainly probably the last few years to be able to see and talk to your dad. It definitely would make me wonder if there were issues.

Were there ANY pictures of family at one's home and clearly for instance a holiday like Christmas or other? I don't recall any off the top of my head. Or with grandchildren? Surely the adult children could have provided some if there were any...

I too thought she died earlier as you know and figured he was letting the dogs out, taking care of self. I don't think I voiced it but I wondered if he didn't know what to do, didn't call because he didn't want the scene or news getting all over it, or alternatively, if he was not cognizant of what to do, what she should do nor maybe even aware that she was dead. He was not dehydrated the said but didn't seem to know if he was eating. I'd say it was probably clear if he had been by dishes, garbage, etc. unless he was perfect about cleaning up. He clearly managed for a week. I wonder the condition of the house and what it showed meaning was he perfect about letting dogs in and out or were the two always out but happened to get in with the open door? Any messes inside from the dog or other things?

Alzheimer's is mentioned as contributory I believe they said. Now I want to say a thing or two about that, I've seen people diagnosed with such decades before they die and never once exhibit any signs of it, finding it doesn't always mean they "get" it or exhibit any. Or tests are wrong a lot because I know of such. The ME didn't seem real strong on some of that part.

We know he was just out to dinner or lunch to her a year ago I believe they said and then there's that picture of him walking alone they say is the most recent, when was that? That itself would seem to indicate Alzheimer's was not significant unless he wandered away from her in town or something...?

There's little doubt he had heart issues.

She's the surprise and I just don't know... I needed to let it sink in yesterday or actually just to forget it for a bit to take it all in. Still doing that. I want to go back and watch it again but not yet. They were giving statistics on it and even though it's known in New Mexico, if I caught it, it didn't sound like statistics and deaths were very high. Looking at their lifestyle it's a bit even harder to believe. It isn't that I can't believe it, it's just that I'm not quite there yet and don't know what I think, haven't thought much on it yet. Also, she was out and about with no signs of illness. She seemed in very good health not that we are privy to a lot about their last year or days. He looked very gaunt and frail but in that photo he is walking alone and without a cane even.

It appears his pacemaker did and should have reported some things to his doctor and those questions they steered away from big time and wouldn't commit to more. Something is going to come of that or the doctor is going to try to be protected. Imo there should have been an ambulance sent on such a report. Did the doctor even SEE such??

Well it's very early morning and not really awake and still not ready to give it good thought lol. I'm sure the internet and YT has erupted and so I got away from it right away yesterday. I haven't even put coffee on yet, and man am I sore the last few days and again this morning. Also up way too early. Been to bed earlier than normal last two nights and that has me up at like no later than 5 which I don't like. It's going on 6 right now, still early.

You know, I never did feel she OD'd I will say that. I don't know why but I just didn't. No med reported were the OD types for one. For another there were little POSSIBLE hints she may have died first, it wasn't outright but just enough to make one wonder... Also I just didn't want to assume such of her, they've been alone together for a number of years and the little we knew it sounded like she was strong, more the health conscious type, etc. While one hears of killing oneself after losing a loved one, I wouldn't call it common, even when grief stricken. Also with OD you don't stand at the bathroom counter, take a bunch of pills and fall a second later. I mean they didn't tell us a WHOLE lot to help be sure of ANYTHING, until now, but to me it didn't fit the best. It seemed to me he was moving about and doing things I.e., sunglasses, cane, door, mud room and again it seemed she wasn't and might have died first. They never said outright she was more mummified or decomposed than he but it was not said as much about him, just little nuances for lack of a better word.

I will add though that I don't recall a word about tox results being in although I need to rewatch it, that wasn't touched on was it? So I guess there is still the possibility she took something, but I think it's doubtful.

I'll probably come around to it, but right now I still question findings re her more than him.

To wrap back to the start of this, it's very sad the kids and grandkids weren't in more frequent contact at his age and health. Again, that may not be on them, or it may be, it's hard to say. They were reclusive but one wouldn't think that would extend to family necessarily. Long first morning post. I'd better wake up for a bit and get some coffee.

It's certainly a sad and unusual tragedy and certainly made for a mystery as well although I think there are some things to be cleared up yet. Did you note in the PC the ME made a point of saying her name is Betsy Hackman and she'd refer to her that way onward? Now that was a little thing of note, I'd say someone made a point of wanting that done imo. I just assumed she kept her maiden name as that's how all news, etc. referred to her...
 
156 cases in the last 50 years in the state. More than 40 percent fatal. Hmmm. EXTREMELY rare.

He died adjusted now probably on the 18th. So did he lie there from the 17th and die on the 18th? Because last activity we were told was the 17th by the pacemaker... That does report apparently to the doctor.
 
Rewatching a bit finally, I didn't catch every single thing yesterday. So they are still awaiting the results on the dog. We know it had a procedure she picked it up from. Might explain sheriff said why dog was in a crate. That would lead me to think some surgical procedure so probably there was anesthesia and a cut/stitches, etc. Crated perhaps to ensure the dog didn't get hurt further and wound wasn't exposed etc. I don't want to think about it but if the dog was without care after having a surgical procedure, and/or gets not fed or dehydrated, and if can't get out or sees no one, it may not have had a very easy death. I hope otherwise.

You know, another thought too is if he had significant health deterioration and/or significant Alzheimer's I'd think they'd have done some legal paperwork or in other words, he wouldn't be able to manage his affairs if it was that bad. I don't mean anything by this nor suspect anything funny there, I just mean was it really significant? Again a year ago they were out, he was seen alone (she may have been around but picture shows alone), AND he survived for seven days in the house they are assuming. Was it really significant? If it was, I'd assume someone was in charge of his affairs, that could be a kid, her, hard to say. Again, I'm not suspicious there, I'm just wondering how bad off he was and if he was bad, off, she was probably taking care of all, etc. Health too.

Just more thoughts and just saying there's more here yet to be determined or info to come.
 
He stepped away from the Hollywood limelight quite a long time ago. I always wondered why. It might be because he was already diagnosed with Alzheimer’s. She may have decided she didn’t wanna be without him so that’s why they moved away and were secluded. I know someone who has been slipping away for a while and it’s been a slow slide. She still recognizes people for the most part, but she is not able to administer her medication anymore. She forgets if she took them. He may have been trying to take his medications and that’s why they were sprawled out.
 
Kimster said:
He stepped away from the Hollywood limelight quite a long time ago. I always wondered why. It might be because he was already diagnosed with Alzheimer’s. She may have decided she didn’t wanna be without him so that’s why they moved away and were secluded. I know someone who has been slipping away for a while and it’s been a slow slide. She still recognizes people for the most part, but she is not able to administer her medication anymore. She forgets if she took them. He may have been trying to take his medications and that’s why they were sprawled out.
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I knew someone when having a medical appt for something else or checkup was told Alzheimer's was found with some type of test. Their age might have been 65 trying to do the math backwards. The spouse was beyond upset and was crying with friends over this. The person died at 90 and they never dealt with any Alzheimer's issues, meaning nothing more than typical for the age forgetfulness, knew everyone, managed just fine, forgot nothing major, to eat, or anything else and so on.

I've been relistening this morning some, yesterday it came kind of fast and furious and I think most know what that's like when first hearing major news, trying to absorb it all and then the questions and answers, etc.

I'm not necessarily doubting things but I'm not entirely satisfied yet. I'm noting more today when I relisten. The ME said she had no idea of his daily routine or if he managed one normally. She talks of advanced Alzheimer's but they don't seem to know that it was a major issue in daily life. I mean the man managed for 7 days they figure. I don't mean it as to any thought of foul play necessarily, it just seems a lot of it is I think.

It's not about health but I noticed the sheriff kept referring to her as Miss Arakawa and that ME even when asked a question not once forgot to call her Mrs. Hackman. She is also the done that stated that was her legal name. I can only guess this indicates what most of us would think and maybe as the second wife wasn't acknowledged as Mrs. Hackman by some. Regardless. I do think too it would be good for history here to have her name in the title but jmo. He was the famous one and so the one most of the attention has centered on but she has a name too.

Anyhow, it isn't too hard to believe he had a heart event, just not so sure how much the Alz's played in.

I struggle yet with hers. I'm not saying it isn't the case, just not satisfied yet. I haven't leaned in any real way at all to foul play here but never ruled it out either. I do think there are a few odd things like the doors BUT also can think maybe maintenance or a neighbor or friend got in somehow to see what was wrong but then panicked and did not want to be caught up in the news about it, etc. Not necessarily that anyone did anything to them or to one...

I think she sprawled the meds out but it could have been him of course. If it was him, he did see her dead. It sounds like in the presser it was her pills for was it cholesterol and they said they were taken normally and nothing that meant much as to what happened (meaning nothing odd or you'd OD on) and I assumed they meant those were the ones spilled on the counter.

I don't know if they left Hollywood due to Alzheimer's diagnosis. I tend to doubt it, it was said to be heart and high stress but in interviews and such, he never was a huge fan of the lifestyle... Of course stars can put the best face forward and PR in interviews.

However, it was said in that really good article I highly recommend above that emu linked, man was that good, that like with writing and painting and such, he really loved it--loved acting too but the b.s. that came along with it for instance, not so much. He liked the solitude of the other. He was far from inactive in Santa Fe, that article fills in on just how much, his wife had friends, he had a business partner, friends, more. An interesting part in there was that I forget who, perhaps the mayor or a citizen said they get quite a few that move there from Hollywood but some don't last long because they can't take the lack of attention and nightlife lol. I'd sure like to know what "stars" those were. But she and Hackman fit right in.

Relistening today it takes it sounds like one type of "mouse" (some news I've heard rat) but the ME said mouse, and exposure to the feces, etc. needs to be for one to eight weeks. It also is very rare. I'm just not necessarily sold on her death and that just adds to it. She also was very active on what they figure her last day of life AND seen on video, etc... She emailed her massage therapist, she went to the farmer's market, CVS and I forget where else. The virus causes symptoms and problems... And again is rare. And he exhibited no signs. And they both lived in the same home with her probably taking care of him and one could assume always close by probably. The ME also talked tiny microscopic evidence. She was middle aged and by all we know pretty darned healthy. It's rare to begin with and if exhibiting no symptoms and we all know less healthy people are more apt to not make it through such as a health one. With things like Covid too.

I'm just not there with her. I'm not saying they are wrong either of course. I just want some more answers to all of it I guess, re her and him.
 
GrandmaBear said:
Rewatching a bit finally, I didn't catch every single thing yesterday. So they are still awaiting the results on the dog. We know it had a procedure she picked it up from. Might explain sheriff said why dog was in a crate. That would lead me to think some surgical procedure so probably there was anesthesia and a cut/stitches, etc. Crated perhaps to ensure the dog didn't get hurt further and wound wasn't exposed etc. I don't want to think about it but if the dog was without care after having a surgical procedure, and/or gets not fed or dehydrated, and if can't get out or sees no one, it may not have had a very easy death. I hope otherwise.

You know, another thought too is if he had significant health deterioration and/or significant Alzheimer's I'd think they'd have done some legal paperwork or in other words, he wouldn't be able to manage his affairs if it was that bad. I don't mean anything by this nor suspect anything funny there, I just mean was it really significant? Again a year ago they were out, he was seen alone (she may have been around but picture shows alone), AND he survived for seven days in the house they are assuming. Was it really significant? If it was, I'd assume someone was in charge of his affairs, that could be a kid, her, hard to say. Again, I'm not suspicious there, I'm just wondering how bad off he was and if he was bad, off, she was probably taking care of all, etc. Health too.

Just more thoughts and just saying there's more here yet to be determined or info to come.
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Ok if they are married and there is no will, then assets would pass to the spouse. She died first so her assets would pass to him. Then his assets would pass to his children. So the asset distribution will depend on whether they had made wills. I have heard he had $80 million in assets.
 
Tresir said:
Ok if they are married and there is no will, then assets would pass to the spouse. She died first so her assets would pass to him. Then his assets would pass to his children. So the asset distribution will depend on whether they had made wills. I have heard he had $80 million in assets.
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I heard the same, 80 mill. In an interview his only fear was passing as any of us have and wanting to be sure his kids, etc. and I think wife were provided for so my guess is he had that done. Just guessing. I heard today if fact her mother is alive and in HI but there hadn't been much recent contact, sounds like she is in a home and has a caregiver or in a home with constant care, not sure.

I am not leaning at all towards foul play here but he was worth a LOT of money. One can't ignore that or LE shouldn't either. The passing within little time of each other though depending on the will sends her assets on down, meaning if he left assets to Betsy, those assets might likely then pass to his kids of course but wouldn't if she was alive.

A will though could make any of the standard disbursement different.

I'm so not into foul play or such but I'm not where I feel the answers are good enough either, yet anyhow. I relistened today and have actually more questions than yesterday. Yesterday since it was live, I did not want to pause and relisten, I wanted to hear the entire live without pause. Today I relistened and rewound, etc. There is quite a bit to be answered here yet.

Phone info, the dog's cause of death and a lot more. It really bothers me she was shopping and apparently okay overall and then bam.

I'm not trying to turn it into something, I'm just not satisfied yet. The most minor thing too her name, seems to be an issue. Sounds stupid but that seems like some not acknowledging the second wife could carry his name. Rewatching it, that really stood out how the ME pointed a lot of things out like her legal name yet news continues to call her Miss Arakawa. Again it seems minor but there's some sticking point there with someone/s. Imo.

I'm going to guess there's not "no will" in this case but who knows... I feel he would have had one, he wanted per an interview back some time ago to take care of those he leaves behind when he dies. Or when it was last done, revised, etc.
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There are just a lot more answers that still need to come here imo. MAYBE the bigger questions and answers are right but more needs to come in to be sure. JMO.
 
GrandmaBear said:
I heard the same, 80 mill. In an interview his only fear was passing as any of us have and wanting to be sure his kids, etc. and I think wife were provided for so my guess is he had that done. Just guessing. I heard today if fact her mother is alive and in HI but there hadn't been much recent contact, sounds like she is in a home and has a caregiver or in a home with constant care, not sure.

I am not leaning at all towards foul play here but he was worth a LOT of money. One can't ignore that or LE shouldn't either. The passing within little time of each other though depending on the will sends her assets on down, meaning if he left assets to Betsy, those assets might likely then pass to his kids of course but wouldn't if she was alive.

A will though could make any of the standard disbursement different.

I'm so not into foul play or such but I'm not where I feel the answers are good enough either, yet anyhow. I relistened today and have actually more questions than yesterday. Yesterday since it was live, I did not want to pause and relisten, I wanted to hear the entire live without pause. Today I relistened and rewound, etc. There is quite a bit to be answered here yet.

Phone info, the dog's cause of death and a lot more. It really bothers me she was shopping and apparently okay overall and then bam.

I'm not trying to turn it into something, I'm just not satisfied yet. The most minor thing too her name, seems to be an issue. Sounds stupid but that seems like some not acknowledging the second wife could carry his name. Rewatching it, that really stood out how the ME pointed a lot of things out like her legal name yet news continues to call her Miss Arakawa. Again it seems minor but there's some sticking point there with someone/s. Imo.

I'm going to guess there's not "no will" in this case but who knows... I feel he would have had one, he wanted per an interview back some time ago to take care of those he leaves behind when he dies. Or when it was last done, revised, etc.
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There are just a lot more answers that still need to come here imo. MAYBE the bigger questions and answers are right but more needs to come in to be sure. JMO.
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I was just saying that as she died first it is not likely his assets would go to her family IMO. Obviously just speculating.
 
Tresir said:
I was just saying that as she died first it is not likely his assets would go to her family IMO. Obviously just speculating.
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She has no family other than her mother from what I heard today and she wasn't in recent contact with her and I believe she is in a home. No kids, etc. it seems.

Hard to say what her assets were, however assets also may have been "theirs" I mean they were married for decades. He probably may have well kept some of his major ones separate but it really depends on state laws, prenups if any, wills, etc.

On the other hand, her being dead first might mean if he left all or most to her, it reverts to his children depending again on wills, etc.

We (myself included) would figure he came with the majority of the money. And a LOT of it. With no will it or prenup if he died, it would go to the spouse, at least it would in my state and I believe in most. She's also dead though so it would go to his children. Hers I guess might go to her mother but since she died first, it would go to him, then by way of that perhaps to his children. Wills can change all that though.

I'd be very surprised to find out he didn't have a will, I'd bet on the fact he did. However, one never knows.
 
I watched something earlier where his daughters I gather shared a few things. First off he was a true believer in keeping moving and was doing pilates and yoga. Leslie, his youngest, said he was active that way until the end, always believing movement kept him young, doing such several times a week. Even when it got harder, he stuck with it she said. Middle daughter talks of last public sighting a year ago with a cane saying he had slowed down but still walked when he could.

This video was clearly taped before the PC yesterday and he says in it she may have outlived Gene by several days which we know not to be true now BUT it has a lot in it I had never heard, like remarks from the daughters. His son seems to be notably absent in everything. There are more than a couple of things in it I did not know, mostly what the daughters had to say and more.

One daughter said on his bday he had to be reminded/told 3 times it was his birthday, I guess that would indicate there were some memory issues or Alzheimer's was an issue. The one regretted not having spoken to him in a while, etc. More.

I'm linking where I got this from. I didn't listen to the entire show but heard these parts and more from the kids, etc.

 
Guess Who said:
www.dailymail.co.uk

Gene Hackman's final photo revealed as contractor breaks silence

Santa Fe contractor Jesse Kesler, 52, has spoken out for the first time about the chilling discovery and the two-week struggle to gain access to the Gene Hackman and Betsy Arakawa's home.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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this is the problem with Alzheimer's is that they can have totally lucid days/moments and others that "nobody's home". It slowly starts ticking more and more to the "nobody's home" stage.
 
I've been wanting to comment on this one but as I've said, just not been my week.

What I wanted to say for one is the absolute nuts out there and new YT channels with nothing but sensationlism that have popped up. I watch YT but I watch quality creators and if I run across and iffy one or one turns me off after I try them, I quit. I happened onto one the other day and I honestly suspect several are all the same place. Is it TRUE the family immediately starting fighting about the estate? I had not heard that anywhere prior to a junk channel. Like a week later, I still have no idea if it's true.

The article above is pretty interesting and it's sad that the privacy made it so no one could get in or enter and it took what weeks? It is also interesting that he was seen driving just a few months ago AND that family members couldn't be reached so the home could be entered nor anyone could check on them.

I feel bad for the construction/maintenance guy but I do wonder about when caving, he chooses Daily Mail. They are known to pay, maybe who can blame him, but I consider it a rag but then again, it will get the news out if he wants his side told.

I've tried to let this settle and have avoided all the sensational sh*t out there one seeing that's what it was on one channel. My iffiest channels lol are things like occasionally watching Court TV, News Nation, Law and Crime, Plunder, all of whom can get a bit well, sensational however they are not total fly by the night stations, are known, etc. but boy is there some crap out there right now popping up. I've seen such happen before with certain cases or maybe because I unknowingly started watching one YT is throwing more garbage at me, that could be. I can't even imagine things like FB and so on.

I haven't commented due to my week, extremely sore and that makes me irritable too. I'm trying to focus my thoughts here on what I want to say.

I read the article above so now I have that added to what I wanted to say and am trying to unscramble the thoughts.

One other thing about the article and everyone is they keep calling her Arakawa. I still find it very interesting the ME/coroner made a POINT of saying she is Betsy Hackman, she even answered questions very naturally saying Mrs. Hackman. The sheriff never used that name. In the big presser. She said it was her LEGAL and actual name. I've mentioned this before but it continues... Some have a problem with it would be my guess..

I've mentioned back a week ago or whenever that I don't know about the Alzheimer thing and she didn't help with that with her responses (the ME) and that I've known people supposedly diagnosed with such who never went on to have it or exhibit a symptom. Now we have someone who arguably saw them more than anyone saying he just saw him driving a few months ago and apparently never knew of such...

I've tried to let the diagnoses settle and think about them... Maybe findings is the better word...

I'd like to see them both remembered respectfully and I am not doing all the junk b.s. out there but it just isn't gel-ing for me. That ME was not happy and I put it down at first to she probably got rushed, pushed, media was probably nuts in bugging them and it has been a very hard time but I don't know...

And then this "rat" thing, they want to make it rat rather than mouse...

When carbon monoxide wouldn't explain it all, of course there's not a lot that can explain two deaths and separate times within a week or two, etc.... But lo and behold now there is an explanation...

I'm not a nut and I don't do the sensational news but it just isn't sitting right with me... Family couldn't be reached, no signs of him with Alzheimers the construction guy knew of... The ME well watching her that day I first thought as I said it was just a lot of pressure she'd had and stress over it, but I also thought she was under orders maybe as to what to say and was not happy about it...

The article above is almost unbelievable that LE nor anyone had entered or checked and it took so long to do so. Private or not someone was concerned about their welfare, and apparently even LE didn't go in or do anything for days on end...

Then with her.... I mean we don't know the practices of people but from appearances and what we do know she was into health, eating right and seeing to it he did and so on. They had $. I'd guess habits were cleanly, she wore a mask out in public it's been said when no one else still was... Now mice can get in anywhere, we all know this, but it just doesn't seem to fit and the ME said one had to be exposed for something like eight days, I forget... It was her seeming interest in healthy living that also made me, along with other things, doubt an overdose which was understandably a common thought, just as carbon monoxide was right out of the gate, another one I didn't really buy and it's interesting to see their construction guy did not either and knew the home...

I'm not trying to look for anything but I've let it settle and I'm just not there... With either of them... I do believe she died first and I do believe his pacemaker quit.

That's another thing she avoided big time on saying too much was it reporting to his doctor... The ME I mean. And I've mentioned that previously...

Can someone please tell me if it's true that the kids, son against daughters, immediately went into an inheritance fight? I saw it on a "sensational" type of channel which I promptly quit watching and who since has ridiculous sensational headlines. I'd like to know from someone who does know the "real" news. I thought when and how could that have happened so quickly?? So I didn't buy it necessarily.

THere's been a lot lately going on in some cases. Kohberger, Daybell, Read, this one, more. And I've wanted to say a few things before new news comes and it will be water under the bridge and stay up on them, comment. I still need to get to Kohberger but not sure I even recall it all now. LOTS of activity in lots of cases, I guess maybe the system is finally back at work after a long winter break or something, half kidding, cynical remark. Nothing goes on then all of it goes on at the same time... Trials coming up shortly too.

Well that's the best I can do on this one.

I'm not looking for foul play but I'm not liking this quite yet or convinced either...

Interesting he thought of poison too, that one I'd not dismissed at all... And they did have to have something that explained both deaths at different times but in fairly close time meaning days and not years...

With carbon monoxide ruled out well others have been found...

Also don't anyone let DM confuse, the guy said he saw him driving a few months ago but the pic of him driving is from like a year ago... They do stuff like that...

Long post I realize but I've wanted to get in here for some time and then I read the article which added to it.
 
Guess Who said:
this is the problem with Alzheimer's is that they can have totally lucid days/moments and others that "nobody's home". It slowly starts ticking more and more to the "nobody's home" stage.
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Well then where was she when he's out driving, was she calling LE or assumed he was fine driving around? The ME was funny with some of the answers about Alzheimers. I'm assuming they saw it with a brain look on autopsy but it never once sounded like anyone knew him to ever exhibit it or knew he had such. I know of someone diagnosed with such when alive like 25 years before the person died and never once did she exhibit any of such, just a doctor saw supposedly something on a routine visit, not sure what, labs, scan?

They were private extremely BUT there are reports of him driving, riding bike, etc. until not long ago. I'm not sold on anything yet.

She CAN say perhaps his brain showed he had such but she couldn't say that she knew his daily routines, how he managed and whether he did, even, if it was affecting him, etc. Such was asked. It seemed to me she'd say what she was supposed to BUT was not entirely happy about all and wouldn't go too far and insisted too that she was Betsy Hackman, not Arakawa, Mrs. Hackman. It's like she got her two cents in.... Odd.

I don't like all the sensational sh*t and avoid it but I'm not okay with this yet. Jmo and just me though.

Alex Cox was also found to have issues and it was put down to heart because no poison or other causes could be found and I will never ever believe that one. (Daybell case)

This one I might come to believe but I'm not there yet. Again jmo.

And if DM can be believed, LE wouldn't respond, no one dared go in, etc., the family couldn't be reached, and so on....
 
From the beginning, I didn't think "suspicious" was the right word.
Anyway, I'm glad it's resolved.
You know, Hackman was such a good actor! I recently watched Runaway Jury, a movie with Hackman that I'd never seen. It's very good! (I watched it on Tubi.)
 
Regina said:
From the beginning, I didn't think "suspicious" was the right word.
Anyway, I'm glad it's resolved.
You know, Hackman was such a good actor! I recently watched Runaway Jury, a movie with Hackman that I'd never seen. It's very good! (I watched it on Tubi.)
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I didn't either. I'm not one to make constant contact with people either and it very easily could happen to us with nobody realizing anything is wrong for days.
 
GrandmaBear said:
Well then where was she when he's out driving, was she calling LE or assumed he was fine driving around? The ME was funny with some of the answers about Alzheimers. I'm assuming they saw it with a brain look on autopsy but it never once sounded like anyone knew him to ever exhibit it or knew he had such. I know of someone diagnosed with such when alive like 25 years before the person died and never once did she exhibit any of such, just a doctor saw supposedly something on a routine visit, not sure what, labs, scan?

They were private extremely BUT there are reports of him driving, riding bike, etc. until not long ago. I'm not sold on anything yet.

She CAN say perhaps his brain showed he had such but she couldn't say that she knew his daily routines, how he managed and whether he did, even, if it was affecting him, etc. Such was asked. It seemed to me she'd say what she was supposed to BUT was not entirely happy about all and wouldn't go too far and insisted too that she was Betsy Hackman, not Arakawa, Mrs. Hackman. It's like she got her two cents in.... Odd.

I don't like all the sensational sh*t and avoid it but I'm not okay with this yet. Jmo and just me though.

Alex Cox was also found to have issues and it was put down to heart because no poison or other causes could be found and I will never ever believe that one. (Daybell case)

This one I might come to believe but I'm not there yet. Again jmo.

And if DM can be believed, LE wouldn't respond, no one dared go in, etc., the family couldn't be reached, and so on....
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I will tell you my experience of a UK dementia diagnosis. Hub was diagnosed in 2021 and he was immediately written to about voluntarily giving up his licence or taking a test. We booked the test which was about 40 miles away. Before it came up, i persuaded him to voluntarily give up his licence as i thought he could struggle, not with the actual driving but especially on questions. So that was how we addressed it. Not sure how it gets dealt with stateside.
 
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