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Bernard Madoff says he is dying and is asking a judge for compassionate release from prison, where he is serving 150 years for orchestrating the largest Ponzi scheme in history, according to a Wednesday federal court filing.

Madoff, 81, has terminal kidney failure and a life expectancy of less than 18 months. When the court sentenced him, “it was clear that Madoff’s 150-year prison sentence was symbolic for three reasons: retribution, deterrence, and for the victims,” the court filing states. “This Court must now consider whether keeping Madoff incarcerated … is truly in furtherance of statutory sentencing goals and our society’s value and understanding of compassion.”

Madoff said in the request for compassionate release that he “does not dispute the severity of his crimes.”

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Bernie Madoff says he's dying and wants out of prison - KRDO

Bernard Madoff says he is dying and is asking a judge for compassionate release from prison, where he is serving 150 years for orchestrating the largest Ponzi scheme in history, according to a Wednesday federal court filing. Madoff, 81, has terminal kidney failure and a life expectancy of less...
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IMO- stay in jail
 
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I don't know if this has been posted but the deaths of the 7 people in MN is said to be carbon monoxide. This article though leaves me with more questions. I suspected they were probably using some type of heater indoors that caused it but it sounds like the furnace was functioning although I'm not sure why you'd have it on fan mode only in the winter and batteries out of the detector...

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Police: Carbon monoxide caused deaths of 7 people in Moorhead, Minn.

The deaths of seven people in Moorhead, Minnesota over the weekend were the result of carbon monoxide poisoning, Moorhead police confirmed on Wednesday.
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GrandmaBear said:
I don't know if this has been posted but the deaths of the 7 people in MN is said to be carbon monoxide. This article though leaves me with more questions. I suspected they were probably using some type of heater indoors that caused it but it sounds like the furnace was functioning although I'm not sure why you'd have it on fan mode only in the winter and batteries out of the detector...

www.fox9.com

Police: Carbon monoxide caused deaths of 7 people in Moorhead, Minn.

The deaths of seven people in Moorhead, Minnesota over the weekend were the result of carbon monoxide poisoning, Moorhead police confirmed on Wednesday.
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car in the garage? other gas appliances?
 
Guess Who said:
car in the garage? other gas appliances?
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I don't know. In reading the article, it doesn't really sound like there is any obvious reason or at least not at this point. Usually or quite often with a group of people, it takes a lot or is sudden as over days, they will often notice someone out of the home or who comes and goes gets better, etc before it goes this far... And if they realized because checking the detector might indicate that they suspected something was wrong, I really don't get it.

There is mention of a car with issues but it doesn't really seem to explain it all either...
 
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Authorities: Carbon monoxide caused deaths of 7 in Minnesota

Authorities say seven members of an immigrant family from Honduras whose bodies were found inside a Minnesota home last weekend died of apparently accidental carbon monoxide poisoning
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Police Chief Shannon Monroe said the carbon monoxide came from either the home's furnace or a van in the garage. Technicians couldn't find a defect in the furnace that would have sent carbon monoxide into the home. Moore said further tests were being done to determine whether the victims had hydrogen cyanide in their blood, which would point to the van, and those tests might take up to eight weeks.

Investigators found that a carbon monoxide detector in the garage had been removed and replaced with a smoke-only detector. Monroe said the van had a half-tank of gas and a dead battery. The chief said that in cases of intentional carbon monoxide exposure, vehicles are usually found with empty gas tanks.
 
GrandmaBear said:
I don't know. In reading the article, it doesn't really sound like there is any obvious reason or at least not at this point. Usually or quite often with a group of people, it takes a lot or is sudden as over days, they will often notice someone out of the home or who comes and goes gets better, etc before it goes this far... And if they realized because checking the detector might indicate that they suspected something was wrong, I really don't get it.

There is mention of a car with issues but it doesn't really seem to explain it all either...
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When I worked for ADT a customer called in and, one of the few times I took customer calls, asks for a technician to fix her CO2 detector because it keeps going off. I asked her if she had the house checked to see if there was a CO2 buildup going on. She said: "Oh, good idea. I'll call you back later."

I don't know what the outcome was.
 
kdg411 said:
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Authorities: Carbon monoxide caused deaths of 7 in Minnesota

Authorities say seven members of an immigrant family from Honduras whose bodies were found inside a Minnesota home last weekend died of apparently accidental carbon monoxide poisoning
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Police Chief Shannon Monroe said the carbon monoxide came from either the home's furnace or a van in the garage. Technicians couldn't find a defect in the furnace that would have sent carbon monoxide into the home. Moore said further tests were being done to determine whether the victims had hydrogen cyanide in their blood, which would point to the van, and those tests might take up to eight weeks.

Investigators found that a carbon monoxide detector in the garage had been removed and replaced with a smoke-only detector. Monroe said the van had a half-tank of gas and a dead battery. The chief said that in cases of intentional carbon monoxide exposure, vehicles are usually found with empty gas tanks.
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Yeah, I think the vehicle running for any length of time in a closed garage could very well indicate something possibly intentional. I guess there is a possibility this is a "murder/suicide" or something on that order. On the other hand, the mention in the one article about the furnace being on I think fan only mode may indicate they knew there was an issue. That sounds like trying to circulate air or take care of the carbon monoxide. It would be the norm to have the furnace on for sure here in the midwest.
 
Cousin Dupree said:
When I worked for ADT a customer called in and, one of the few times I took customer calls, asks for a technician to fix her CO2 detector because it keeps going off. I asked her if she had the house checked to see if there was a CO2 buildup going on. She said: "Oh, good idea. I'll call you back later."

I don't know what the outcome was.
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I have a bad habit of when a smoke or carbon monoxide alarm starts beeping when the batteries are going of just pulling the battery loose to shut it up. I always mean to replace them and just do it for the moment but then time goes on. If one however truly went off, yeah, I'd be concerned there was carbon monoxide so your caller I worry about, I would think that would cross her mind? Smoke detectors we sometimes know it was our toaster, an overheated pan, etc. but a carbon monoxide detector I wouldn't ignore a full on alarm...
 
GrandmaBear said:
I have a bad habit of when a smoke or carbon monoxide alarm starts beeping when the batteries are going of just pulling the battery loose to shut it up. I always mean to replace them and just do it for the moment but then time goes on. If one however truly went off, yeah, I'd be concerned there was carbon monoxide so your caller I worry about, I would think that would cross her mind? Smoke detectors we sometimes know it was our toaster, an overheated pan, etc. but a carbon monoxide detector I wouldn't ignore a full on alarm...
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I do for the smoke detector, but not for the carbon monoxide one. It has only gone off once and we figured out why, but it was a good thing we did. It could have gotten bad.

I also wonder if they had a gas stove/oven and maybe didn't turn on the vent fan possibly.

I am also wondering if they might have tried to figure out the issue by having the furnace fan only on or did they just think their symptoms were caused by the flu? But definitely something is up with the furnace being on fan only in Minnesota in the winter and must have just happened since they were dressed in clothing making them believe that their furnace had been on and in working order.
 
Guess Who said:
I do for the smoke detector, but not for the carbon monoxide one. It has only gone off once and we figured out why, but it was a good thing we did. It could have gotten bad.

I also wonder if they had a gas stove/oven and maybe didn't turn on the vent fan possibly.

I am also wondering if they might have tried to figure out the issue by having the furnace fan only on or did they just think their symptoms were caused by the flu? But definitely something is up with the furnace being on fan only in Minnesota in the winter and must have just happened since they were dressed in clothing making them believe that their furnace had been on and in working order.
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Yes that was another odd thing, didn't it say lightweight clothing? I mean you know that in MN no way even at 40 or 50 are you not going to have the heat on and it wasn't that warm believe me when this happened.

My mom not long ago was worried her bathroom fans were not vented out (they found that they were) and in just discussing it with the technician, he told her he leaves his furnace fan set with the fan on all year round whether running or not. So she now does this, it helps circulate air and keeps things dry. There is no problem here but she worries some about the finished basement. Anyhow, I and she had never heard of that and I wouldn't have even known probably that you could do that. so to me their having the fan only on seems a bit odd. Especially in winter with no heat on. I guess there could be back up heat like a fireplace or even electric but the articles don't mention anything like that.

It's a lot of people to die and not realize something was wrong. it has happened before but we don't hear of it too often these days as I think people think of it and with detectors and all....
 
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Thread for him - Let us know if anyone wants it open for discussion.
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CA - TRABUCO CANYON JOHN DOE: M, 14-25, found in wilderness area in Trabuco Canyon, CA - 13 Dec 1996

On December 13, 1996 human skeletal remains were discovered in a creek bed in a remote wilderness area off Trabuco Creek Road northeast of O’Neill Regional Park in Trabuco Canyon, Orange County, California. Due to the state of decomposition forensic investigators estimate the deceased died 6-18...
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