TROY DEAN CARNEY: Found murdered in his sleeping bag near the Bear Creek Greenway in Central Point, OR - 4 Sept 2008

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Troy Dean Carney was a 44 year old truck stop laborer looking for work assisting truckers at the Pilot Truck Stop on Biddle Road near Central Point in the Rogue Valley of Southern Oregon. Troy was last seen leaving the truck stop around 6:00 pm on Labor Day 9/1/2008. When he was discovered in his sleeping bag near the Bear Creek Greenway, he was still wearing the same clothing he had last been seen wearing. Troy's mom tried calling him and did not get any response from the early morning of 9/2/2008 until he was discovered on 9/4/2008.
Troy's camp on the greenway was set fire in the very early morning of 9/14/2008.

Edited to add Media link: Troy Carney was shot and killed while asleep in his sleeping bag near Central Point, Oregon in 2008 and his #ColdCase remains UNSOLVED!
 

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Way behind but that's something I am curious about. For the first how long, I thought this was not a typical area for him to ever go as he wanted to get bac to his usual one Then we come to know he had an ex wife here and friends (that he lit out away from) and an ex he never told his mom about and so maybe he had been here before to mean he had met other transients or others in some route alll did, trucker helpers for instance.

At first I would have said how could other transients ever have met or know him but as we have been given more info from RC that has helped get a grasp, yes there were friend and now an ex in the area. An ex he never admitted to his mom he ever married.

I am way behind so just responding to the first post I saw.
i think it also makes it more likely he was targeted by someone he knew, now we know that history, plus the fact he was only there one or two nights at the most.
 
i think it also makes it more likely he was targeted by someone he knew, now we know that history, plus the fact he was only there one or two nights at the most.
I've caught up quickly a bit on both these threads. Wish I had time or the memory to discuss all. For one the phone records as to landlines I'd like to visit and discuss but it is a ways back for the rest of you in discussion.

You have some very good points. I had already thought myself back when last on or even before that neither of these men were living the lives of regularly employied, living with a mate or children or families or even gf. Nothing wrong with that, just notable.

Also come to find out Troy had a wife, he never told his mother about, and went to see here when out there. Was this his reason for being out there even? He comes to find out they weren't divorced, had he thought they were, etc., etc.? You had a really good point of no offense to mom but how can one believe what she said Troy did or would never do and other things when he definitely covered the fact he had a wife to her. Clearly he did NOT tell mom everything or even necessarily the truth.

Neither man was living a "traditional" life and again nothing wrong with that but when trying to figure out who killed them, all things are of note imo.

So many basic things unanswered. I think I have asked before with Dave for instance was he paying child support or under any court order to do so?

There's a good chance as you say here in this post Troy may have been a target of someone he knew the more we find out but I also think it could have been somewhat random or someone just set wrong with him being there or encountering that day even.

I'm starting to realize Troyi was likely out there for a reason. To reconnect with ex or to be sure they were divorced or deal with something. Or thinking he could stay with the old friends or see her for some reason or reconnect?

I am always provictim and I hate going against a victim in any way but to discuss a case, these men's lives may certainly have played some role in who had it in for them or needed them gone even. Dave does sound like a hard worker but very opinionated and judgmental is the picture I have at the moment. Maybe a bit of a whistle blower type if he thinks something is wrong by his scale of judging others. Troy sad to say I think may be a man who never was responsible nor did his responsibilities and may have ran from such, wife, kid possibly and so on... Staying one step or out of state ahead of htings even if some minor court thing like a divorce proceeding, driver's license issues and tickets or so on. Have known that type. He didn't have a license right? Why?
 
In answer to a question from @Tresir about Troy posted on Dave's thread 🧵


Anything below a three isn't published on the official website for the state of Oregon which I posted.

Regardless of whether these guys are registered there is plenty of anecdotal evidence to conclude that they are most likely child predators.

That has nothing to do with Troy other than pointing to possible motivations for him leaving his friend's house unexpectedly.

I DID come across information on FB yesterday that JG worked at the Pilot in Central Point at some point, but there's no indication of when he was employed there. ⭐

The charges against JG were overturned on technicalities & BG went to prison for a short time per the information Justice Jes documented in the YouTube video.

There are also copies of court records and interviews with the mother of one of the children and a family member who testified.

Post in thread 'David "Dave" Edwin Lewis murder & arson 13 miles east of Ashland, OR - 4 September 2008'
David "Dave" Edwin Lewis murder & arson 13 miles east of Ashland, OR - 4 September 2008

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I believe the JG employed at the Pilot Center is a female and not the same person you are talking about. Can you check that info out? My searches came up with that link too but the spelling of the first name was different.

Could you also provide links to the court info so we can see when the offences happened and whether Troy was supposed to be a witness in court? That could be a motive for his murder.
 
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We need to know who exactly he encountered while he was staying at the friends house and what went on there. I think that is the key to solving this case. When exactly did he arrive and what happened in those days before he went to the camp site?
 
I understand he was shot in the head on the 1st September although he wasnt found until the 4th. I understand he still was wearing the same clothes that he had on in the video of him leaving the Pilot Center but I haven't seen a link stating this. Is there a police report of his autopsy available with an estimated TOD?
 
So Troy's widow would be aged 64 now if my calculations are correct. Did she take care of his probate at the time, do we know?
 
This is the person who he was staying with and this link shows the person was recently arrested 29 Jan 2024 for FTA for a prior offence.

 
So Troy's widow would be aged 64 now if my calculations are correct. Did she take care of his probate at the time, do we know?
Great point. If Troy was still married and possibly had a child it would not be mom in charge of his estate or burial and so on. It would be the wife he never told mom about who would be next of kin.

That thought of yours brought me one which I don't buy and is a bit out there but wife could have had life insurance on him and if his child would get SS benefits. I think that motive or likelihood unlikely but only based on what we know, a week ago we didn't even know he had a wife or hid the fact from his mom and so on.

In your other post, testifying against who? For what?

Sorry. Trying to catch up.
 
Great point. If Troy was still married and possibly had a child it would not be mom in charge of his estate or burial and so on. It would be the wife he never told mom about who would be next of kin.

That thought of yours brought me one which I don't buy and is a bit out there but wife could have had life insurance on him and if his child would get SS benefits. I think that motive or likelihood unlikely but only based on what we know, a week ago we didn't even know he had a wife or hid the fact from his mom and so on.

In your other post, testifying against who? For what?

Sorry. Trying to catch up.
RC speculated that maybe TC left because he saw something he didnt like at his friend GG's house because of GG's friends' illegal sexual habits. So I continued speculating that he could get them in trouble as a witness, which could be a motive to shoot him. I am pretty sure this family is into drugs too, possibly meth at a minimum.

This guy GG is continually driving without a licence and recently had a warrant out. I just came across his recent booking for FTA. They are bad news.

One thing that just came to mind. I am now wondering if "delivering firewood" was a euphemism for supplying drugs. Also a reason why Hyatt Lake may not have wanted certain people at Hyatt Lake.
 
RC speculated that maybe TC left because he saw something he didnt like at his friend GG's house because of GG's friends' illegal sexual habits. So I continued speculating that he could get them in trouble as a witness, which could be a motive to shoot him. I am pretty sure this family is into drugs too, possibly meth at a minimum.

This guy GG is continually driving without a licence and recently had a warrant out. I just came across his recent booking for FTA. They are bad news.

One thing that just came to mind. I am now wondering if "delivering firewood" was a euphemism for supplying drugs. Also a reason why Hyatt Lake may not have wanted certain people at Hyatt Lake.
More good thoughts.

I haven't had the time you have to look at records or histories or sex offender lists. I know little about the friends. It does say something if they are such bad news that he'd want to stay there. I don't mean it means he is as bad but you wouildn't think otherwise that he'd want to...

Something I read throughout these cases said that he was not with his friends any longer as the couple was having issues due to his staying there or inferring he was the problem. So hard to know what to believe but if you've seen actual records on them, then that part is fact. Troy didn't have a license either and I'd have to wonder why. What is FTA. Sorry brain isn't firing with abbreviations today. Had to ask in another case too what something meant like that. Did you find any child sexual charges as claimed against these people?

The thought of code in "delivering firewood" I especially find an interesting thought. It is interesting such came up with both Dave and Troy and this is Labor Day weekend not late September or October. Sure people plan ahead for the winter and all and there may be some last holiday campfires at campgrounds and so on but it does seem a bit odd.

Kimster or RC would have to talk of Oregon's rules but they have some odd ones. Here you can have a campfire to this day even in your city (most0 if abiding by some rules. In campgrounds (rural) not much is policed at all. But some states and resorts have gotten a bit controlling about it and NONE are allowed, etc. I know in OR and was surprised to find out per @Kimster one can't even pump their own gas. Our states here are very different. A 12 year old can do such. You probably know this even in the UK as you have followed so many of our cases and have been here but states and rules and laws can vary widely.

I'd says the ones around me are far more relaxed and with a lot less crime too and I can only hope they stay that way but things do change and generally not for the better...

I see so far no real connection between Dave and Troy's murders but the police seem to say there is some kind of connection. Neither leads (with no judgment) what woudl be the typical life but they are far different even in that. Dave has a roof over his head that is always the same, stays in the same spot , etc. Troy is different than that. But neither are stereotypical as in wife, kids, family gatherings, extended family, regular jobs or hours.

It is said somewhere by someone that Dave had a pretty acrimonious divorce. Yet it seems his wife was there to handle his estate for the kids and he communicated with the kids it would seem? I'd like to know the child support situation there and such.

Then we had no clue Troy was even married until recently and apparently never told his mom, and a possible kid there too which possibly he never saw nor claimed? Child support? Paternity issues or pushing for it? He may not have known whether he was divorced or not and went to see wife when in this area and found that out allegedly...

Not sure if you know this but I believe in all our states, sure true here, IF a wife is getting any state benefits for children for instance, the State itself will go after the other parent for not providing or paying support and so on. This is why I'd like to know more about these situations.

To me it appeared Troy may have if not been hiding maybe staying step away from or ahead of even some traffic or family warrant or some such. Perhaps he went there to find out what the situation was from his wife who he may not have even been sure was still his wife? I don't like to diss victims but feel talking possibilities and truth is necessary to try to figure who killed them. My sense is Troy bailed on responsibilties, a wife, coming kid and so on perhaps. And never looked back until then for some reason. Maybe they stayed in touch but I don't think so or he'd have known they were not divorced. I think he just lit out. Just speculation of course.

With Dave it coiuld perhaps be cash income equals no income child support kind of thing. Believe you me I have seen PLENTY of that in my lifetime, it is VERY common and it's disgusting. Not saying he did that but I can't get an answer to the support question, etc. and I've asked and maybe it isn't known.

I mean well but I do have to say it is almost impossible to post about the right person in the right thread as here I am talking about both of them in one post. We have other cases that way, it just ends up under one and if not, a bit of both.

I don't know if any of the things I am talking of play into their murders but both were supposedly in contact with their "exes" not long before or even last. With Dave I guess that can b surmised as it is said he may have been doing so because of his son's birthday and gf couldn't reach him...

By the way I'd have like to have contrbiuted to the land line talk but am too far behind and didn't figure I should try to cover all. Do you not have caller ID in the UK? Not saying Dave's woudl't have burned up and his phone but I am just asking if that is a thing or not there? It has been here since the 90s.

Delivering drugs and other illegal activities do have code words and such and that one is a very interesting thought. Even for Troiy to say it to his momss, does that mean if it meant that she knwe (and maybe didn' want him doing that so sent money) or she had no clue that it meant that? OR it meant no such thing and meant real firewood... Food for thought most definitely...
 
forgive all my typos I don't do well with small keyboards and type too rapidly getting ahead of self on top of it. if i went back to correct all, i'd never get to stay in touch at all. i am aware of it though lol. dislike small keyboards. a lot.
 
More good thoughts.

I haven't had the time you have to look at records or histories or sex offender lists. I know little about the friends. It does say something if they are such bad news that he'd want to stay there. I don't mean it means he is as bad but you wouildn't think otherwise that he'd want to...

Something I read throughout these cases said that he was not with his friends any longer as the couple was having issues due to his staying there or inferring he was the problem. So hard to know what to believe but if you've seen actual records on them, then that part is fact. Troy didn't have a license either and I'd have to wonder why. What is FTA. Sorry brain isn't firing with abbreviations today. Had to ask in another case too what something meant like that. Did you find any child sexual charges as claimed against these people?

The thought of code in "delivering firewood" I especially find an interesting thought. It is interesting such came up with both Dave and Troy and this is Labor Day weekend not late September or October. Sure people plan ahead for the winter and all and there may be some last holiday campfires at campgrounds and so on but it does seem a bit odd.

Kimster or RC would have to talk of Oregon's rules but they have some odd ones. Here you can have a campfire to this day even in your city (most0 if abiding by some rules. In campgrounds (rural) not much is policed at all. But some states and resorts have gotten a bit controlling about it and NONE are allowed, etc. I know in OR and was surprised to find out per @Kimster one can't even pump their own gas. Our states here are very different. A 12 year old can do such. You probably know this even in the UK as you have followed so many of our cases and have been here but states and rules and laws can vary widely.

I'd says the ones around me are far more relaxed and with a lot less crime too and I can only hope they stay that way but things do change and generally not for the better...

I see so far no real connection between Dave and Troy's murders but the police seem to say there is some kind of connection. Neither leads (with no judgment) what woudl be the typical life but they are far different even in that. Dave has a roof over his head that is always the same, stays in the same spot , etc. Troy is different than that. But neither are stereotypical as in wife, kids, family gatherings, extended family, regular jobs or hours.

It is said somewhere by someone that Dave had a pretty acrimonious divorce. Yet it seems his wife was there to handle his estate for the kids and he communicated with the kids it would seem? I'd like to know the child support situation there and such.

Then we had no clue Troy was even married until recently and apparently never told his mom, and a possible kid there too which possibly he never saw nor claimed? Child support? Paternity issues or pushing for it? He may not have known whether he was divorced or not and went to see wife when in this area and found that out allegedly...

Not sure if you know this but I believe in all our states, sure true here, IF a wife is getting any state benefits for children for instance, the State itself will go after the other parent for not providing or paying support and so on. This is why I'd like to know more about these situations.

To me it appeared Troy may have if not been hiding maybe staying step away from or ahead of even some traffic or family warrant or some such. Perhaps he went there to find out what the situation was from his wife who he may not have even been sure was still his wife? I don't like to diss victims but feel talking possibilities and truth is necessary to try to figure who killed them. My sense is Troy bailed on responsibilties, a wife, coming kid and so on perhaps. And never looked back until then for some reason. Maybe they stayed in touch but I don't think so or he'd have known they were not divorced. I think he just lit out. Just speculation of course.

With Dave it coiuld perhaps be cash income equals no income child support kind of thing. Believe you me I have seen PLENTY of that in my lifetime, it is VERY common and it's disgusting. Not saying he did that but I can't get an answer to the support question, etc. and I've asked and maybe it isn't known.

I mean well but I do have to say it is almost impossible to post about the right person in the right thread as here I am talking about both of them in one post. We have other cases that way, it just ends up under one and if not, a bit of both.

I don't know if any of the things I am talking of play into their murders but both were supposedly in contact with their "exes" not long before or even last. With Dave I guess that can b surmised as it is said he may have been doing so because of his son's birthday and gf couldn't reach him...

By the way I'd have like to have contrbiuted to the land line talk but am too far behind and didn't figure I should try to cover all. Do you not have caller ID in the UK? Not saying Dave's woudl't have burned up and his phone but I am just asking if that is a thing or not there? It has been here since the 90s.

Delivering drugs and other illegal activities do have code words and such and that one is a very interesting thought. Even for Troiy to say it to his momss, does that mean if it meant that she knwe (and maybe didn' want him doing that so sent money) or she had no clue that it meant that? OR it meant no such thing and meant real firewood... Food for thought most definitely...
FTA2 is failure to appear twice, I think, so he was arrested on 29th January 2024 it seems. I have found no people with the G surname on any sex offender registries so if there were any offences, they have not been proved or were in other states.

In the UK we only have landline caller id for the last number that called us.

Good points about possible paternity issues.
 
I have copied some posts of Troy's mum from another website as the posts mention some possible perps.

If not allowed please delete or I can provide a link.

"Troy was actually killed the evening of Labor day, sometime after midnight and before 4:am. Sept. 2nd. We know this for sure cause I tried to call him that morning on Sept. 2nd, 6:am Oregon time."

"I called him over & over, he didn't answer his phone . I knew something was very wrong. His body was found on Sept. 4th, late afternoon. I spoke with Troy that afternoon. (Labor Day), They found who owned the Mask. It belonged to the guy that was camped near Troy. That was the campsite that was abandoned in a hurry the night Troy was killed. At first the person told Detectives he didn't know anything about the Mask, them later told them it belonged to his kids. He had two son's 9 & twelve years old that were camped with him. He is/was a person of interest.

"Another person of interest, Ben Daniel Stephens was also camped near Troy. Almost a year later Cops also said people in the area admitted hearing the shot, but no one reported it, so he wasn't found till two & half day's later.

"The day Troy was found, that morning about 4am, Dave Lewis was murdered. They say tied him up & burned his house down with him in it.

Had to be more then one person. At that same time they set another cabin on fire to take the focus off Dave's cabin. Cops say there is a link between Troy & Daves murder.Troy didn't know Dave Lewis, but nine day's after Troy was murdered, someone went back and burned Troy's crime scene. Cop say to get rid of evidence they remembered they left behind. Maybe they remembered the Mask that was left at that other camp site. There was a small dome tent there & the Mask was propped up next to a tree it was on display.Very disturbing. Troy's mom

Has to be.. They didn't bother to polygraph them cause they were/are drug addicts. Detectives need to talk to whoever were friends with Stephens & the other guy. They are all trainsients.(Linda...Troy's mom)

"don't believe there is a link.. I never did. The guy with the 2 son's??That afternoon I talked to troy, he told me he met this guy camped near him that had 2 kids.. Maybe the guy wore the mask so Troy wouldn't know who he was, but it don't make sence. Why would he care if Troy knew who he was, Troy would be dead. Troy was sleeping when he was killed. Not robbed. He had not been in a fight that day or night cause no marks on his body or hands. No one heard any shouting..Killed about 3:am, very dark. Cops say it was very dry, no rain for a couple weeks. Troy would have heard someone walking up to him. Twigs snapping.

"Ben Daniel Stephens. Stephens was arrested for the Murder of Cody Wade Bruce. Aug. 9, 2009. He is now in OR prison. Judge only gave him ten years. Troy never ever told anyone where he would camped out. It was just his sleeping bag, no Tent. He was hidden under a bush.Who ever killed Troy had to know where he was sleeping.. I checked the moon that night, dark moon. Detectives have Troy on survaillance video leaving the Pilot truck stop at 6:pm, Labor day. Video shows him walking across the parking lot, no one following him, & no one would have been able to find him where he was, so had to be one of those two people."Back in February a reporter from NBC Dateline (Eric Mason) called me. I have been sending flyers to business near where Troy was, sent out a hundred sent out 25 more in just this last week, asking poeple to post them in their windows. Erick Mason saw one & picked it up and called me. He also called Dave Lewis sister (Linda Lewis).
He investagated both cases. I don't know what he found out about Dave Lewis, but he said no way did Ben Stephens kill Troy cause he strangled Cody Wade Bruce then beat him over the head with a chunk of wood. Mason said he would have killed Troy that same way.I think he is wrong, only because it had to be someone that knew where Troy was sleeping. Ben Knew..I was also told that Stephens killed Cody Bruce cause he was having a sexual thing going on with him & maybe Cody said no that time so Stephens killed him. After I heard that, I wondered if Stephens approached Troy for sex & Troy said no, so Stephens killed him."
 
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Some additional possibilities.

Rickey Lemich, 51, was a transient. Police say he was a "victim of homicidal violence."Police say that Michael Atwood, 51, is the suspect in the homicide and was apprehended minutes after the Lemich was found. Atwood is also a transient.

Joseph Henry Burgess - see link below


This article was published more than 14 years ago. Some information may no longer be current.
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This undated surveillance photo provided by New Mexico State Police shows 62-year-old Joseph Henry Burgess of New Jersey. Burgess is the man police say shot and killed Sandoval County Sheriff's deputy Sgt. Joe Harris last Thursday. Burgess was also killed in the shootout with police at a cabin in the Jemez Mountains of central New Mexico. Canadian authorities say Burgess was wanted in the 1972 killings of two Vancouver campers, Leis Carlsson and Ann Durrant, who were found shot to death in their tent.

Joseph Henry Burgess could have passed for a street preacher. Lean, with shaggy hair and a beard, he ended many of his sentences with the word "amen." At times he went by the name Job, after the biblical figure tested by God.

Seeking to evade the draft during the Vietnam War, Mr. Burgess made his way to Tofino on Vancouver Island, where he was remembered as something of a "Jesus freak" by the community of hippies, back-to-nature devotees and fellow draft dodgers that had established itself in the remote coastal village. He did, in fact, know his Bible; he'd attended a Jesuit college in New Jersey and had occasionally taught religion classes.

That Mr. Burgess was a religious zealot figured in the aftermath of the 1972 slaying of a young couple on a Tofino beach. Though sharing a tent, Leif Carlsson, an exchange student from Sweden, and Ann Durrant, a student at the University of British Columbia, were not married - a fact police believe offended Mr. Burgess's perverted religious sensibility. Police say he killed them with a .22-calibre rifle, shooting them both point blank in the head as they slept.

Leaving behind a fingerprint matched to one taken when he was arrested for failing to report for duty with the U.S. Marine Corps, Mr. Burgess quickly became the prime suspect in the killing, but by then he'd vanished. For nearly four decades, he remained out of sight, one of Canada's most-wanted criminals, his case featured on the television show America's Most Wanted, his name on an Interpol watch list.

He is believed to have murdered at least one other young couple in circumstances remarkably similar to the Tofino slayings before he was finally run to ground in New Mexico last week, shot dead in a gun battle with police while breaking in to a cabin to steal food.

At the age of 62, Mr. Burgess had apparently been living rough in the Jemez Mountains near Albuquerque and was suspected of a years-long string of robberies. Thefts of food, clothing and other supplies from rural properties led to him being dubbed the "Cookie Bandit." Confronted by police on a stakeout last Thursday, he killed Sergeant Joe Harris, a Sandoval County sheriff's deputy, and was himself shot dead.

Since his death, inquiries have been flooding in from other law-enforcement agencies, Lieutenant Eric Garcia of the New Mexico State Police said Tuesday. While the Cookie Bandit crimes suggest Mr. Burgess had been in New Mexico for at least eight years, the period from before that running back to 1972 remains murky. Mr. Burgess's possible links with numerous other crimes, including several homicides, are being probed in jurisdictions as far afield as New York and Oregon.

What is known is that Mr. Burgess vanished from Tofino's beach scene so abruptly he left behind everything, including his shaving gear and prescription glasses. "He took on a whole new identity," said retired RCMP investigator Dan Creally, who recalls the case as the only one of his career that remained unsolved. "We never could find him."

Although known for his religious fervour, Mr. Burgess had apparently been conflicted in the lead-up to the crime that sent him on the run. Mr. Creally told of him making an awkward and unsuccessful pass at a nude swimmer, all the while quoting to her from the Old Testament. An old photo shows him flashing a peace sign, looking every inch the free-love hippie, but he told the skinny-dipping woman that he did not approve of unmarried people sharing a tent.

Under those contradictions lurked the hard edge of his interpretation of theology. Mr. Burgess would talk about the "wrath of God" and was apparently willing to administer it to Mr. Carlsson, 20, and Ms. Durrant, 21.

Investigators in Sonoma County, Calif., believe Mr. Burgess is also responsible for the slayings of Jason Allen, 26, and Lindsay Cutshall, 22, whose bodies were found in a tent at the mouth of the Russian River in August, 2004. Like Mr. Carlsson and Ms. Durrant, they were young and unmarried. Like the slain couple in Canada, both had been shot in the head, this time with a .45-calibre rifle.

Though he may have played the part of a preacher, police in the United States and Canada believe Mr. Burgess was a cold-blooded killer who used a twisted interpretation of religion to justify his crimes.

"I know my husband didn't die in vain by someone who stole groceries or clothing," Tonia Harris, the slain deputy's widow, told KOAT 7, an ABC affiliate in Albuquerque.

"People kept telling him, you know, 'Why are you going after this guy? He steals groceries! Why are you trying so hard?' And he kept saying, 'I'm going to get him; there's something about this guy. He needs to be gotten. There's something about him.'

"And he was right."
 
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Ok so Troy's mum said a convicted killer was actually camping near Troy and knew where Troy was camping. The other guy mentioned was a suspected murderer of persons in BC in '72 and CA in 2004. He was killed in a 2009 shoot out in NM, which also saw the murder of one police officer in the same incident.
These two have to be considered, unless LE ruled them out somehow.
 
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One of the murdered couples in my previous post was murdered by a different person. Read the article and you will find right at the end, a mention of a blackberry bush which helped solve that crime. That crime could explain the mindset of whoever killed Troy though.

Detectives Probe Double Murder of Engaged Couple Found Dead on Northern Cali Beach | Oxygen Official Site

From the end of the article -

Burgess was wanted for the 1972 double murder of a young couple shot to death while camping on a Canadian beach on Vancouver Island, a crime with striking similarities to the 2004 murders. However, DNA left on a beer can found at the Cutshall-Allen crime scene did not match Burgess, and he was soon ruled out as a suspect.
Other theories in the Cutshall-Allen murders included the engaged couple stumbling upon a drug deal and the elusive Zodiac killer, but nothing panned out for several years.

On March 24, 2017 — 13 years after someone killed Lindsay Cutshall and Jason Allen — Sonoma County deputies were called to a domestic shooting at Shaun Gallon’s home, where 36-year-old Shamus Gallon had been shot to death.


Shaun Gallon — who was previously questioned about the deaths of Cutshall and Allen — soon confessed to murdering his brother.

“Shaun was angry at his brother, Shamus, for whatever reason, I don’t think we’ll ever truly know,” Det. Horseman told Final Moments. “He kept a rifle at the time in his vehicle, and he brought it upstairs and pulled the trigger, let out a volley of shots, hitting Shamus.”

After confessing to his brother’s murder, Gallon was questioned about the Jenner double homicide, though he initially denied having any involvement. He agreed to take a lie detector test but failed regarding questions involving Cutshall and Allen.

Authorities obtained a search warrant related to Shamus Gallon’s killing, which included a search of Shaun Gallon’s Facebook account. There, investigators found disturbing posts made by Shaun Gallon, according to D.A. Spencer Brady.

“Shaun Gallon had occult images on social media, posts on Satanism, that kind of thing,” Brady told Final Moments.

Detectives also found a suspicious private message from Gallon’s then-girlfriend: “Maybe I should just go turn you in for that 50 grand reward. Why don’t you go shoot some more people and try to get away with it?” the message stated.

At the time, there was only one crime in the county with a $50,000 reward, and it was for the murders of Cutshall and Allen.

In 2017, Sonoma County detectives traveled to London, England, to question the former girlfriend, wondering if she could tie Gallon to the crimes. But before they could sit with the witness, Gallon made a jailhouse confession and soon admitted to killing Cutshall and Allen.

The Conviction of Shaun Gallon

According to Gallon’s statements, he’d hunted Fish Head Beach in search of wild boar before stumbling upon the sleeping couple. He reportedly shot Allen first, then soon shot Cutshall after she briefly woke from the first gunshot.

“For whatever reason, he didn’t like these two people camping on the beach, or maybe he thought of it as his beach, I
don’t know,” said D.A. Brady. “But what he did say was that he had made a decision that he was going to kill them. And he said that he had to force himself to kill them; he had been hearing voices that were torturing him, they were tormenting him.”
Detectives continued questioning Gallon, angling in for a fact proving he wasn’t making the story up. So, Gallon admitted he collected the shell casings from the beach and inserted them into a soda can before hiding the can in the blackberry bushes of his father’s property.
More than a decade after the double homicide, authorities found the shell casings where Gallon said he’d left them, tying him to the crime scene.
“Finally, we knew what happened,” Cutshall’s mother, Kathy Cutshall, told Final Moments. “We were happy. We were sorry that another person had to be killed for this, but it was like, ‘Here it is.’ It all came together.”
Shaun Gallon eventually pleaded guilty to the murders of Lindsay Cutshall, Jason Allen, and Shamus Gallon. He was sentenced to three consecutive terms of life in prison plus an additional 94 years.
“Knowing how happy they were is comforting; very comforting,” said family friend Donna Croy about the engaged couple. “And knowing that they fell asleep that night on the beach and they woke up in Heaven.”
 
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I have copied some posts of Troy's mum from another website as the posts mention some possible perps.

If not allowed please delete or I can provide a link.

"Troy was actually killed the evening of Labor day, sometime after midnight and before 4:am. Sept. 2nd. We know this for sure cause I tried to call him that morning on Sept. 2nd, 6:am Oregon time."

"I called him over & over, he didn't answer his phone . I knew something was very wrong. His body was found on Sept. 4th, late afternoon. I spoke with Troy that afternoon. (Labor Day), They found who owned the Mask. It belonged to the guy that was camped near Troy. That was the campsite that was abandoned in a hurry the night Troy was killed. At first the person told Detectives he didn't know anything about the Mask, them later told them it belonged to his kids. He had two son's 9 & twelve years old that were camped with him. He is/was a person of interest.

"Another person of interest, Ben Daniel Stephens was also camped near Troy. Almost a year later Cops also said people in the area admitted hearing the shot, but no one reported it, so he wasn't found till two & half day's later.

"The day Troy was found, that morning about 4am, Dave Lewis was murdered. They say tied him up & burned his house down with him in it.

Had to be more then one person. At that same time they set another cabin on fire to take the focus off Dave's cabin. Cops say there is a link between Troy & Daves murder.Troy didn't know Dave Lewis, but nine day's after Troy was murdered, someone went back and burned Troy's crime scene. Cop say to get rid of evidence they remembered they left behind. Maybe they remembered the Mask that was left at that other camp site. There was a small dome tent there & the Mask was propped up next to a tree it was on display.Very disturbing. Troy's mom

Has to be.. They didn't bother to polygraph them cause they were/are drug addicts. Detectives need to talk to whoever were friends with Stephens & the other guy. They are all trainsients.(Linda...Troy's mom)

"don't believe there is a link.. I never did. The guy with the 2 son's??That afternoon I talked to troy, he told me he met this guy camped near him that had 2 kids.. Maybe the guy wore the mask so Troy wouldn't know who he was, but it don't make sence. Why would he care if Troy knew who he was, Troy would be dead. Troy was sleeping when he was killed. Not robbed. He had not been in a fight that day or night cause no marks on his body or hands. No one heard any shouting..Killed about 3:am, very dark. Cops say it was very dry, no rain for a couple weeks. Troy would have heard someone walking up to him. Twigs snapping.

"Ben Daniel Stephens. Stephens was arrested for the Murder of Cody Wade Bruce. Aug. 9, 2009. He is now in OR prison. Judge only gave him ten years. Troy never ever told anyone where he would camped out. It was just his sleeping bag, no Tent. He was hidden under a bush.Who ever killed Troy had to know where he was sleeping.. I checked the moon that night, dark moon. Detectives have Troy on survaillance video leaving the Pilot truck stop at 6:pm, Labor day. Video shows him walking across the parking lot, no one following him, & no one would have been able to find him where he was, so had to be one of those two people."Back in February a reporter from NBC Dateline (Eric Mason) called me. I have been sending flyers to business near where Troy was, sent out a hundred sent out 25 more in just this last week, asking poeple to post them in their windows. Erick Mason saw one & picked it up and called me. He also called Dave Lewis sister (Linda Lewis).
He investagated both cases. I don't know what he found out about Dave Lewis, but he said no way did Ben Stephens kill Troy cause he strangled Cody Wade Bruce then beat him over the head with a chunk of wood. Mason said he would have killed Troy that same way.I think he is wrong, only because it had to be someone that knew where Troy was sleeping. Ben Knew..I was also told that Stephens killed Cody Bruce cause he was having a sexual thing going on with him & maybe Cody said no that time so Stephens killed him. After I heard that, I wondered if Stephens approached Troy for sex & Troy said no, so Stephens killed him."
Well don't know the dates of these but she says doesn't think there is a linke and never did. I honestly am not seeing any reasont to think there is one either.

There is plenty here to consider but it sounds like in the last post/paragraph she feels she knows who did it and that it did not need to be the same MO and he is who knew where Troy was sleeping? Or are these diffferent opinions over different months or days she has? Do not go get the days I am just asking, you are putting in plenty of time. Are they chronological?

Reading it popped something into my head. He left the Pilot/was seen on video last at was it 6 or something? I'm on this post and would have to look back and get off it but I think 6ish. Was he going straight to camp and to hide camping then in a sleeping bag and going to sleep? Somehow I'd doubt this. OR folks be nice to have chime in here. This is the end of summer, just beginning end. Here it would still be daylight, last hurrah of the summer season, and very likely warm if not even hot and you certainly would not be covering up with a sleeping bag until later maybe. People around would still be up, it's daylight. What did he do from the time seen a the Pilot until hunkering down in the sleeping bag? Who did he talk to, who was he with, what was he doing? Hiding in brush or some such but not sleeping yet while others were still up?

This gets actually stranger with more info. Both cases do. There is no full timeline for either man. And here we have in this post a lot of possibles mentioned including murderers and people near Troy. I'm not even sure how that is known. And the mask guy and so on.

Add in previous stuff like exes and people who can't prove they called Dave and other things and it just becomes more and more odd with now tons of possible suspects in both. An ex with SOs in family or whatever and firiends stayed with who had SOs in families (none on registries) and on and on.

Bit much right now. Work tomorrow, up wayk too late catching up with only some threads which I plan from here on out. Going to take on no new ones. But when a case becomes this out there or with too much wondering through the years and no answers, Delphi (until now but it still goes on), JB Ramsey, so many, I see sn*w and then I go back tt he most probably likelihood. I'm not sure yet what they are in these cases but I am dialing back to waht I think most likely probabilities in both with some facts added since we are new to this.

I stil see no reason to think Dave's and Troyi's are related. Not whatsoever.

I'\d figure sooner it more likely that the beheaded kid and Troiy's are related. Both sudden, quick, possibly random on trails/parks/etc. Dave's has no such simiilarities. And I don't believe theirs are. Years apart. No other similiarities but I'm just saying so far I could make more argument those two are related.

Hmm. And wow.

I am starting my work week off way bad. Up way too late will have little sleep. Work week is not always but typically Sat through Wed. So I'm in the very beginning and have a lot of late ones.

G'nite all.
 
Well don't know the dates of these but she says doesn't think there is a linke and never did. I honestly am not seeing any reasont to think there is one either.

There is plenty here to consider but it sounds like in the last post/paragraph she feels she knows who did it and that it did not need to be the same MO and he is who knew where Troy was sleeping? Or are these diffferent opinions over different months or days she has? Do not go get the days I am just asking, you are putting in plenty of time. Are they chronological?

Reading it popped something into my head. He left the Pilot/was seen on video last at was it 6 or something? I'm on this post and would have to look back and get off it but I think 6ish. Was he going straight to camp and to hide camping then in a sleeping bag and going to sleep? Somehow I'd doubt this. OR folks be nice to have chime in here. This is the end of summer, just beginning end. Here it would still be daylight, last hurrah of the summer season, and very likely warm if not even hot and you certainly would not be covering up with a sleeping bag until later maybe. People around would still be up, it's daylight. What did he do from the time seen a the Pilot until hunkering down in the sleeping bag? Who did he talk to, who was he with, what was he doing? Hiding in brush or some such but not sleeping yet while others were still up?

This gets actually stranger with more info. Both cases do. There is no full timeline for either man. And here we have in this post a lot of possibles mentioned including murderers and people near Troy. I'm not even sure how that is known. And the mask guy and so on.

Add in previous stuff like exes and people who can't prove they called Dave and other things and it just becomes more and more odd with now tons of possible suspects in both. An ex with SOs in family or whatever and firiends stayed with who had SOs in families (none on registries) and on and on.

Bit much right now. Work tomorrow, up wayk too late catching up with only some threads which I plan from here on out. Going to take on no new ones. But when a case becomes this out there or with too much wondering through the years and no answers, Delphi (until now but it still goes on), JB Ramsey, so many, I see sn*w and then I go back tt he most probably likelihood. I'm not sure yet what they are in these cases but I am dialing back to waht I think most likely probabilities in both with some facts added since we are new to this.

I stil see no reason to think Dave's and Troyi's are related. Not whatsoever.

I'\d figure sooner it more likely that the beheaded kid and Troiy's are related. Both sudden, quick, possibly random on trails/parks/etc. Dave's has no such simiilarities. And I don't believe theirs are. Years apart. No other similiarities but I'm just saying so far I could make more argument those two are related.

Hmm. And wow.

I am starting my work week off way bad. Up way too late will have little sleep. Work week is not always but typically Sat through Wed. So I'm in the very beginning and have a lot of late ones.

G'nite all.
Good point about what did he do from 6pm onwards. I had always thought that video was from later. What time does it get dark at that time of year @Kimster ? That night it was a dark moon, Troy's mum says. I would assume he went to his sleeping bag once it was dark and got up when it was dark.

Troy's mum names the person with the kids who left the Wolverine mask too. I will have to find that quote as well.

ETA I have found it -

"Went through my notes, Champion wrestlers, brothers. One had gone homeless, camping on the Greenway.
Trade mark was the Wolverine mask. The mask was found at his campsite, not Troy's.
That's how Troy met him, camping not far from Troy, had two kids, last name Shultz or Schultz.

I talked to Troy about everyday. On Aug. 31st, that evening he called me, would have been about 6:pm OR. time.
He called to tell me he was going back to the east coast. One trucker friend told him if he ever decided he wanted to go back to the east coast, call him and he will swing by and pick him up. Troy said he called him. I don't know what kind of phone he had but he said he could only leave a message and the guy would call him back. Troy said he left about 4 messages on his phone. The guy didn't call him back so I said What are you going to do, just go to the truck stop and wait for him? He said no, he will know right where to find me. That following night he was dead. Actually very early morning Sept. 2nd.

I told the Detectives that story a few times and each time they blew it off. They would never give me an answer about tracing that phone number. I have always wondered about that."

End of Troy's mum's post.

My comments-

So the two Shultz brothers - one was murdered by John du Pont in 1996 - will find the info. This brother that camped nearby had to therefore be the surviving brother. A film was made about this called Foxcatcher.

All in here.

 
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If I'm looking at this right, the day he was found was like 90 and at 6 was just starting to come down from sucha temp. When I did this search I forgot the date on the case isn' when he was killedI wasnt' the day he was killed. I'd need to go back and look for the Pilot day video date and it's a work day for me and I got no sleep.

Even though this wasn't that day, I am going to link it as histsorical weather can be obtained through varoius sites and if someone is interested, they can look for the correct date.

Wouldn't doubt weather was similar and it would be light at 6 without doubt. It wouldn't be bed time for most people and it would still be prettty hot as well.

Seeing this kind of heat brings another thought of if each day reached such temps, after not being found for some days, I imagine the body would be emitting odor and would perhaps not be in the beset ot shape.

How was he found, I can't recall if we know? Meaning did someone stumble on him and call cops or mom get cops to go look for him or how was it he was found on the 4th?

 
Good point about what did he do from 6pm onwards. I had always thought that video was from later. What time does it get dark at that time of year @Kimster ? That night it was a dark moon, Troy's mum says. I would assume he went to his sleeping bag once it was dark and got up when it was dark.

Troy's mum names the person with the kids who left the Wolverine mask too. I will have to find that quote as well.

ETA I have found it -

"Went through my notes, Champion wrestlers, brothers. One had gone homeless, camping on the Greenway.
Trade mark was the Wolverine mask. The mask was found at his campsite, not Troy's.
That's how Troy met him, camping not far from Troy, had two kids, last name Shultz or Schultz.

I talked to Troy about everyday. On Aug. 31st, that evening he called me, would have been about 6:pm OR. time.
He called to tell me he was going back to the east coast. One trucker friend told him if he ever decided he wanted to go back to the east coast, call him and he will swing by and pick him up. Troy said he called him. I don't know what kind of phone he had but he said he could only leave a message and the guy would call him back. Troy said he left about 4 messages on his phone. The guy didn't call him back so I said What are you going to do, just go to the truck stop and wait for him? He said no, he will know right where to find me. That following night he was dead. Actually very early morning Sept. 2nd.

I told the Detectives that story a few times and each time they blew it off. They would never give me an answer about tracing that phone number. I have always wondered about that."

So the two Shultz brothers - one was murdered by John du Pont in 1996 - will find the info. This brother that camped nearby had to therefore be the surviving brother. A film was made about this called Foxcatcher.

All in here.

This seems just like more likelihood Troy wanted out of there and wanted out of there like "right away". Called four times? Is she talking about what kind of phone Troy had or the trucker had? And how would he know right where to find him?

So mom wired money as he wanted out of there, trying to call a trucker friend numerous times for the same reason, refusing a "firewood" job and wanting out. Friends and him had a falling ouit. Viisited an ex he never told mom me married and it would seem hadn't seen in years(?). Am I missing anything?

Of course could have made enemies or ticked someone off or maybe just a murderous type was camping near him and so on...
 

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