UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson killed in Midtown Manhattan by masked gunman in December 2024

(1) Brian Entin on X: "The CEO of UnitedHealthcare was killed in a Midtown New York City shooting. Brian Thompson, 50, was shot just before 7 a.m. The shooting is being investigated as a possibly targeted hit. https://t.co/3BXAZ1T4Bw" / X

 

[Kimster]

STill catching up with the posts. It's strking how different both pics are from coat color to background. The second picture could be a female. Not saying it is, just sayingn so different. First one person looks bigger than second one, face, coat, all.

I take a lot of pictures of products and I also get a lot of pictures off of my security cameras. The coloring can very greatly. I have a light lavender sweater that has looked gray in pictures, for one example.

 

[Kimster]

I’m really surprised they haven’t caught him yet.

 

[Guess Who]

I take a lot of pictures of products and I also get a lot of pictures off of my security cameras. The coloring can very greatly. I have a light lavender sweater that has looked gray in pictures, for one example.

yes, amount of light, type of light and type of camera and even the monitor it is being seen on can all be a factor and process the same image differently.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I take a lot of pictures of products and I also get a lot of pictures off of my security cameras. The coloring can very greatly. I have a light lavender sweater that has looked gray in pictures, for one example.

I found that very interesting. I had security cams at my home if you recall, I asked for recommendations, etc. They were always sending me into a panic. As I was not used to such. I had live watching but a spider building a web on the lens or some such I thought was a person and a major thing, then a motion light came on one night and I thought the home was on fire, etc.

SERIOUSLY because I'm not used to them or was not. The place is finally sold and I have to say not getting all of the notifications is a real weight off me the times I could not be there.

Thank God there was an area helper who checked on place, he and wife, and knew security cams. But I probably drove half nuts saying did you see the camera, what is that, etc. Or the cams would go down on occcasion. He knew security cams very well and put them up actually, He told me it was a spider, etc. OMG.

Anyhow though to this case and what you said about coloring, these pics are SO different, it's interesting to see. I mean one can tell the coat is the same coat, style, etc. but size and more and color seems a fair bit different.

It makes me think of Delphi where some think RA couldn't be BG. Heck I thought one light bulb in one motion light showed my entire home engulfed by flames. Angles, more, quality, etc.

Thankfully with BG I can see RA.

But yes those two pics are the same but also totally different in color and detail, etc. Background, color, all is sharper in the second one. Probably due to camera quality and distance, angle, etc.

At least you know your own sweater that it was you, but it looked gray so you get how such can look that way. I don't think some realize such.

And I was in a full fledged panic the night I thought my home was engulfed in flames.

LOL. But NOT.

I'm also sure experts with such know exactly what they are looking at.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I’m really surprised they haven’t caught him yet.

If I had to bet, they already know the who. Just have to get things in place wisely, safely, cross Ts, dot Is or find him. There clearly was a plan and unlike some perps he may have had one for after as well... We know he did with the Ebike...

 

[Tresir]

Since posting my last post, i have read a lot more and LE think it was not a city rented bike because of various things. Also, i think he used the word "Deny" because that is what they do with a lot of claims. There is another article i read that stated the victim was separated from his wife and lived in a separate home nearby. Another article is very vocal quoting the policy of the company plus other stuff regarding the company. This murder has also given the insurance industry the jitters. So much news.

 

[Guess Who]

Getting stranger and stranger of how this was pulled off.

Everyone is saying the same thing about photos of Brian Thompson assassin | Daily Mail Online

He had a security detail with him for the conference appearance, but they were not present at the time of the attack.​

 

[GrandmaBear]

Since posting my last post, i have read a lot more and LE think it was not a city rented bike because of various things. Also, i think he used the word "Deny" because that is what they do with a lot of claims. There is another article i read that stated the victim was separated from his wife and lived in a separate home nearby. Another article is very vocal quoting the policy of the company plus other stuff regarding the company. This murder has also given the insurance industry the jitters. So much news.

the one word not being said on here is political.

I'm not jumping to anything, don't know and have nothing to indicate that, but United Healthcare is HUGE.

And it was Manhattan/NYC.

I don't even have an opinion of what that can mean but it seems so like one of those kinds of things in some ways... AT least it did to me right from the outset and seeing nothing that indicated that, but one of those things that instantly got huge, lots of news on, etc.

Not a mass killer, a school shooter, but planned and executed someone big...

To your post though, yeah, the book seems to fit, and I think deny was probably used intentionally rather than delay. Do we know if the bullet in him had a word...

The minute I heard Atlanta my first thought was of the Atlanta bomber. Not he same of course and no reason to think so, but just the planning, getting near something or someone big, etc. And school shooters, mass killings, etc.

All are very alien to me but we've sure seen it plenty and conspiracies commonly come from such, USE by politicians and groups, and more.

I don't even have an opinion on that or one here that way, nor have seen or heard such, it just instantly struck that kind of chord.

For instance, I guess with somewhat rational thinking, if I had carte blanch to hunt someone down, plan, execute and know I would be forgiven by God and not caught or imprisoned, it would never be the CEO for example, it would be some worker that denied me... Or maybe their supervisor who they shift the blame to. Of course I'd never act on such which no one here would, so it is hard to understand or put oneself in such shoes.

John Kelly didn't lean towards it but had a few thoughts and one was a disgruntled employee or owner of a company affected by UH. He knew personally of someone who had to close up shop and lost their business. The hack also with individuals. A few thoughts.

So deny, depose and defend could also be what employees or an underling, umbrella company, ins. claims person, etc. are directed to do to people.

Deny all claims. Probably half or maybe less but a number of average citizens are going to give up. Life is too short, no time, can't fight big business. ,Money won, saved. If they do try to pursue, go in hard and defend. Also depose them and try to turn it around.

I know nothing. Haven't read much, by now maybe even they have the guy. Just interpreting the basics that I do know of.

Probably behind versus those reading elsewhere.

I don't know about anyone else but I have the impression of someone not too old. Very much on the internet. And not from the photos but the planning, actions and who was targeted. By young I mean from maybe 20 to 35 give or take... Maybe less, maybe a bit more. Obsessed with things or something.

All my own speculation. I'd just never travel to NYC to kill anyone but certainly not someone like this where it isn't going to fix a thing. Get a bike, a bus ticket, etc.

but that's because we can't think as "they" do...

For some too, it is notoriety/fame, influence to do such, be somebody but then I never knew who this guy was before this happened... He may have though.

Okay. Way to yakky. Can't do much else. Have doctor in a couple of hours if can even make it.

It's so not the type of case I gravitate towards but had seen it and am curious to see who it turns out to be. Imo though there's something wrong with the person to begin with and I think little doubt of that. I don't care if the victim was the worst person in the world, it is not how you do things.

Kelly also said good possibility depending on who and why, he did a lot of complaints, writing, things to the company, lawsuit maybe even, etc. I am very much paraphrasing.

My own prediction is this is going to be someone who never did much. Just saying that to see how that comes out. I mean in terms of self support, making it, etc... IF ever, not for long. Just an instinct.

I could be all wrong. He WILL have an internet history imo.

I guess there's the slim possibility someone sent him to do it and paid for all and influenced someone not real with it...

Curious as to the thoughts of others. But then again maybe more is already known than I know.

Need to quit being yakky and try to get dressed.

 

[Tresir]

So far he has done a pretty professional job. No trace of who he is, up to now. Paid everything with cash. They are not even sure if he got on after Atlanta. The Greyhound originated in Atlanta and he could have boarded anywhere between. He didnt use a city bike because they need a card and track everywhere they go. They say he was seen on the phone outside the Hilton and discarded the phone. So i wonder who he rang? The company to leave a message? The only lapse so far is removing his mask at the hostel, which could be his downfall.

 

[GrandmaBear]

So far he has done a pretty professional job. No trace of who he is, up to now. Paid everything with cash. They are not even sure if he got on after Atlanta. The Greyhound originated in Atlanta and he could have boarded anywhere between. He didnt use a city bike because they need a card and track everywhere they go. They say he was seen on the phone outside the Hilton and discarded the phone. So i wonder who he rang? The company to leave a message? The only lapse so far is removing his mask at the hostel, which could be his downfall.

I see your point.

Maybe I'm too optimistic but I have a feeling they are already onto him and who he is, but I well could be wrong. We wouldn't necessarily be privy to that. But who knows.

Again, haven't had the chance to really go into links or read more but wasn't it you who said he was there ten days? I only knew that from here.

The man has prints and DNA like anyone else, although granted he may not have a record.

Not sure how they'd go about all, but I'd also guess someone is missing or was from somewhere and again, i think there's going to be an internet record and a known grudge against this man or company, Certainly could be wrong there as well.

I actuall didn't see the thing about the "hostel" which is a term we don't use much here. Where and what was it? Air BNB, smaller hotel? Bed and Breakfast?

I do know the CEO also was not staying at the Hilton but don't have other details on either of these things.

He knew somehow he'd arrive and the likely way he'd enter. Knew of the conference. Etc.

Then there's the Ebike. How many are sold and what type? Has IT been found?

Not sure I will get time to read up on more but as I said know the basics. Watched John. Read most posts. Have to drag myself out of here in a few and boy do I not want to.

He purchased a ticket somewhere whether in cash, in person, online, or used someone else's info, etc.

I suspect they are on his trail but are getting things in order and want to be sure it's a successful takedown but again maybe I'm just too optimistic.

WTH was the MN part of this. Is that where the exec was from or something?

 

[Tresir]

I see your point.

Maybe I'm too optimistic but I have a feeling they are already onto him and who he is, but I well could be wrong. We wouldn't necessarily be privy to that. But who knows.

Again, haven't had the chance to really go into links or read more but wasn't it you who said he was there ten days? I only knew that from here.

The man has prints and DNA like anyone else, although granted he may not have a record.

Not sure how they'd go about all, but I'd also guess someone is missing or was from somewhere and again, i think there's going to be an internet record and a known grudge against this man or company, Certainly could be wrong there as well.

I actuall didn't see the thing about the "hostel" which is a term we don't use much here. Where and what was it? Air BNB, smaller hotel? Bed and Breakfast?

I do know the CEO also was not staying at the Hilton but don't have other details on either of these things.

He knew somehow he'd arrive and the likely way he'd enter. Knew of the conference. Etc.

Then there's the Ebike. How many are sold and what type? Has IT been found?

Not sure I will get time to read up on more but as I said know the basics. Watched John. Read most posts. Have to drag myself out of here in a few and boy do I not want to.

He purchased a ticket somewhere whether in cash, in person, online, or used someone else's info, etc.

I suspect they are on his trail but are getting things in order and want to be sure it's a successful takedown but again maybe I'm just too optimistic.

WTH was the MN part of this. Is that where the exec was from or something?

Yes MN is where the victim lived and where the company is based, i believe. There was a picture of the hostel and reports say he shared a room with others. If i see it again I'll post the article. He stayed there from the 30th, I believe. He was also seen with a battery for an EBike so i wondered if he stole or bought a second hand bike.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Yes MN is where the victim lived and where the company is based, i believe. There was a picture of the hostel and reports say he shared a room with others. If i see it again I'll post the article. He stayed there from the 30th, I believe. He was also seen with a battery for an EBike so i wondered if he stole or bought a second hand bike.

Stayed with other even? Hmm.

I wonder if he borrowed the bike. I guess we don't know he was a lone wolf. I mean the act itself probably was but as far as planning and knowledge, etc...

Pretty strange. He didn't fly and he didn't take his own room, sounds like money may well have been an issue but hard to say. I know they were looking for his backpack, sounds like he ditched a phone too right? Had to go somewhere on the Ebike and assume they can track a lot of that but who knows... By cams I mean.

I'ts really only been a short time but with a ton of info already, and I assume they are going to have a lot more in rapid time and already do than we even know...

So victim was from MN...

You know Kelly didn't think this was family or some lover's triangle but I'm not ruling anything out. But he's the profiler and probably has some contacts also who knows.

It would sure be a way to throw off, grudge, the words on the bullets, making sure you use how many is my thought so found and all words seen....?

The Markel case comes to mind. Sure tried to make it look like a "hit".

I'm not saying I think that, just that who knows... Perhaps I need to look at and listen to more though. Not up on the "rumors" and such. Not that I will catch up on those but some things do come through on things I do watch sometimes... Meaning I don't do Twitter or FB, and it's no knock to anyone, I just don't but such does get talked of elsewhere at times, even if is just to knock it down or debate it.

I had dismissed the thought but it came to mind recalling how they are working with MN officials something said. I suppose to see who knew his plans, and so on. Travel, where he'd be, time of things. Kelly didn't think likely so I kind of dismissed it until now... Just kind of popped into the head how words were written on shells expected to found, and more...

 

[Guess Who]

Probable backpack found

UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting updates: Luigi Mangione indicted for murder 'as an act of terrorism' and other charges in New York

The 26-year-old has been charged with murder in the Dec. 4 of killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

www.yahoo.com

 

[GrandmaBear]

WTH is going on here. Why is this much information shared and even a ton of it shared before now? I mean as true crime followers, that side of me loves such but it's very, very odd. Why?? Some of which won't help find him but sure are news bytes...

I have a few guesses but will leave them... Not good ones nor for good reasons.

To get to him though, and the whole flirtation thing is weird, it all is. If he is so well planned, I'd guess his DNA or prints aren't going to be found or found in the system. I'm not sure yet I think he's that smart.

Where they didn't see him leaving the port authority bus terminal, an educated guess is they know what he did or what bus he got on, etc. They just didn't share it.

They are sure he's left NYC and probably true.

But WHY is so much being shared? Checked in under another name after checking out, with a NJ license or whatever it was.

I mean some might be to worry the guy but it honestly seems more than some are trying to show the great job they are doing. i sure don't know. It's VERY unusual to do that as we all know. These aren't FOIA requests and in FL getting this info like has happened with Soto. It's barely begun.

Someone upthread mentioned how odd this is that so much is shared I think.

I am resisting but will just say again seems maybe an attempt to show how fast and the work being done, or maybe payment, or may favors owed. Would we call these LEAKS? Some of this stuff as much as I like having info is pretty clearly not anything that will have the public helping find him, but sure does get attention.

My cynical side is kicking in...

I'm sure they still know more than we've heard but I don't get the release of some of these details. And as much as I like to know as a crime follower, I also wonder about it and not sure it's wise with some of them. Some aren't ANYTHING that will help catch the guy.

Let me look at the bright side and try some optimism rather than cynicism. They are about to close in and want him thinking they don't know where he went from the port authority, which is a no brainer to me, that they very well do I'd bet my last nickel on. Get SWAT, agents, people in place, etc. Keep him from running further or offing self.

Yet if I was him, these obvious things would be obvious to me if that's what the case is.

Of course the victim is immediately forgotten but that's par for the course... Most of us wouldn't spend much time on a CEO that probably got super bonuses, etc. and that includes me. Even though off, haven't really had that much time but the thing is starting to settle in just a bit. You know family profits too, someone under maybe moves up, who knows. I was and still am leaning towards a grudge but going to a more open view of it now which is normally where I try to start.

If ever found and something seized, imo he will have an INTERNET history.. Imo. IF they are not too late to find such.

I still think they likely already know, just have to find and surround, not kill him and keep him from killing self, why am I already thinking of such...

Maybe I should be glad I haven't looked at or seen more on it. Mostly only saw a thing or two and responsible ****, meaning not sensational. So the mind is pretty wide open. I did at first rule out family, etc. but then it dawned on me why do that... But also not necessarily leaning that way at all. Just I guess open.

But it is fricking weird all that is going out to news and the public. Again as a crime follower, I want info, yet I am not anti justice or keeping things that really need to be buttoned up. Not for leaking, selling, using, etc.

Been a day. Been a week. Others have it worse so certainly not wanting it thought that's any point, just that I haven't been into things and not up on, and I guess just kind of letting thoughts go and a few long ones.

What are other opinions? If formed or have one?

I am realizing it looks like a grudge but then thinking why was it made to look like a grudge... Is about where I'm at... Unless he wants to be named, found and have the famous notoriety I guess...

John Kelly last night said no absolute top type of assassin would shoot four rounds and not shoot for the head.... That really only started striking me today... The OBVIOUS thing is a grudge... The insurance company...

And maybe it is. No idea...

But it would sure be an obvious and great cover. I mean he wrote on the bullets or casings or shells, whatever it is. KNEW in my opinion they'd be found and seen... WAnted them read and seen perhaps... But for what reasons...

Anywho, interesting I guess. I already think it's going to have controversy and probably conspiracy no matter the outcome. And I haven't even watched sh*t. I need to go change my phone number before I forget on a form I have to fill out.

And still worried about where Mel is. This victim was from MN! Worried about her @Mel70

 

[Tresir]

It looks like the perp is long gone. The bus he boarded apparently stops in 5 cities so the FBI is involved.

UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting latest: Suspect's backpack had Monopoly money: Sources

The manhunt for the suspect who killed UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson has now entered its fourth day as authorities learn more about his movements before the attack.

abcnews.go.com

Police have learned that the suspect took a taxi to the Port Authority bus facility at 178th Street and boarded a bus out of New York City following the shooting, according to police.

The bus the suspect is believed to have boarded out of the city made six or seven stops, and investigators have followed leads in multiple states, the sources said.

MORE: UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting latest: Suspect left New York City by bus, police say​

The killer entered New York City by bus on Nov. 24, when a surveillance camera at Port Authority Bus Terminal caught his arrival at 9 p.m., law enforcement sources told ABC News.

The inbound bus originated in Atlanta, but it was not immediately clear where the suspect boarded. Sources told ABC News he was spotted on board in Washington, D.C.


The 10-day period he was in New York City before the shooting is the focus of investigative efforts.

MORE: UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting suspect's movements: A timeline of before, during, after the shooting​

Thompson, the CEO of major insurance group UnitedHealthcare, was shot to death at point-blank range in Midtown Manhattan on Dec. 4, 2024.
ABC News
The FBI is now assisting in a nationwide manhunt for the suspect, according to law enforcement sources, and the unidentified man remains at large in the wake of Wednesday's attack, which was described by police as "brazen, targeted" and "premeditated."

Police still do not have a name of the suspect, the sources said.

Meanwhile, citing the recent killing of Thompson, Centene, a major health insurer, said it would be moving its planned in-person investor day in New York City next week to virtual, according to a statement from the company on Friday.

"All of us at Centene are deeply saddened by Brian Thompson's death and want to express our support for all of those affected. Health insurance is a big industry and a small community; many members of the CenTeam crossed paths with Brian during their careers," said Centene Chief Executive Officer, Sarah M. London. “"He was a person with a deep sense of empathy and clear passion for improving access to care. Our hearts are with his family and his colleagues during this difficult time."

MORE: Who killed UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson? What we know about the suspect on the run​

The New York City Police Department is asking for the public's help to identify this person wanted for questioning in the Midtown Manhatta...Show more
NYPD
Police officers were able to recover what is suspected to be the backpack carried by the suspected shooter, a source familiar with the case told ABC News on Friday.

The bag was discovered Friday evening in Central Park, where the NYPD deployed an army of officers and drones to conduct a grid search, the source said.

The suspect is seen in footage wearing a backpack prior to the shooting but does not appear to have it on in another video of him on a bike 15 minutes after the shooting.

The masked gunman shot Thompson at point-blank range at 6:44 a.m. Wednesday outside the New York Hilton Midtown, where Thompson was heading for his company's investors conference.

MORE: 'Deny,' 'defend' and 'depose': Police investigating words found on shell casings in CEO shooting, sources say​

A backpack recovered by police in Central Park during the investigation into the fatal shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thomps...Show more
Obtained by ABC News
"The shooter then walks toward the victim and continues to shoot," NYPD Chief of Detectives Joseph Kenny said. "It appears that the gun malfunctions, as he clears the jam and begins to fire again."


Written on the shell casings were the words “deny,” “defend” and “depose,” according to police sources.

The words on the bullets echo the title of the 2010 book "Delay, Deny, Defend: Why Insurance Companies Don't Pay Claims and What You Can Do About It." Police are aware of the similarity, and are investigating whether one possible motive is anger at the insurance industry, sources said.

MORE: Fatal shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson prompts wake-up call for nation's executives: Experts​

NYPD officers search Central Park for evidence in the CEO shooting, Dec. 6, 2024, in New York.
WABC
Investigators believe they were able to score DNA samples from several pieces of evidence discovered at or near the crime scene, law enforcement sources told ABC News. The samples are currently at the NYC Office of the Chief Medical Examiner to be run through databases for a possible match -- a process that could take several days, the sources said.

Police were also able to extract a fingerprint off a water bottle the suspect bought at a Starbucks, but the print is smudged so it's not clear how helpful it will be, sources said.

Pedestrians cross the road outside George Washington Bridge Bus Station in New York, Friday, Dec. 6, 2024, where the gunman fleei...Show more
Richard Drew/AP

 

[Kimster]

Getting stranger and stranger of how this was pulled off.

Everyone is saying the same thing about photos of Brian Thompson assassin | Daily Mail Online

He had a security detail with him for the conference appearance, but they were not present at the time of the attack.​

Do all of the executives for insurance companies have security detail these days?

 

[Guess Who]

Do all of the executives for insurance companies have security detail these days?

They better!

 

[Guess Who]

Interesting...

The backpack was removed by an excavator along with any physical material found surrounding it, the official said. No officers picked it up, because there may be some DNA evidence tied to the backpack or even the dirt on the ground surrounding it.

“Their instructions were, ‘If you find it, freeze the location, do not touch it. Wait for the detectives, wait for the crime scene unit and let them package this up,’” CNN Chief Law Enforcement and Intelligence Analyst John Miller told Anderson Cooper on Friday.

“This is one of these things where even touching it or going through it with rubber gloves, you can smudge prints, move DNA, contaminate it with your own material,” Miller said.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/07/us/brian-thompson-unitedhealthcare-gunman-search-saturday/index.html

 

[Guess Who]

It sure seems like more than just a CEO of an insurance company getting shot with all they are doing to find this guy. There's got to be sooooooo much more to this story.

 

[Tresir]

Interesting...

The backpack was removed by an excavator along with any physical material found surrounding it, the official said. No officers picked it up, because there may be some DNA evidence tied to the backpack or even the dirt on the ground surrounding it.

“Their instructions were, ‘If you find it, freeze the location, do not touch it. Wait for the detectives, wait for the crime scene unit and let them package this up,’” CNN Chief Law Enforcement and Intelligence Analyst John Miller told Anderson Cooper on Friday.

“This is one of these things where even touching it or going through it with rubber gloves, you can smudge prints, move DNA, contaminate it with your own material,” Miller said.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/07/us/brian-thompson-unitedhealthcare-gunman-search-saturday/index.html

I guess it could also have been booby trapped.