Four students murdered at University of Idaho *ARREST*

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Killer who stabbed 4 Idaho students to death still at large​

The killer — or killers — who stabbed four University of Idaho students to death remained at large Tuesday, prompting many students to leave the campus in the idyllic small town despite police assurances that there was no imminent risk to the community.

So many students had left the scenic tree-lined campus in Moscow, Idaho, by Tuesday that university officials said a candlelight vigil scheduled for the next day would instead be held after the Thanksgiving break.

The students, all close friends, were found dead in an off-campus rental home around noon on Sunday, and officials said they likely were killed several hours earlier. Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt told the Spokane, Washington-based television station KXLY that her preliminary investigation showed the students were stabbed to death. There is no indication that substance use was involved in the deaths, Mabbutt said.
 
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Nothing this defense atty has done yet is notable or significant. Mostly a joke and as said above throw it and see what sticks to the wall.

Scott is a good source on this case, he doesn't do every case. He pretty much says it like it is with the legal look at it AND he is an acting defense attorney. This isn't anything to worry about. Taylor was said to be great and I'm not seeing it but then you cant't be great when your client doesn't leave you much can you...

I stay up when I can't by watching him and there is no spin or bias from him as there is on some other atty channels. He doesn't personally care as in having a bias and he sure doesn't need the money or to up his channel, he tells it as it is even if, as a defense atty, it is to knock the defense at times. He is covering Read pretty well too. He has no horse in any race, he isn't trying to build a channel or hype. Just a good one to watch.

Anyhow, it is a nothingburger and any alibi is pretty much out the window or a big nothing as well.

I'm up on a few cases but haven't been in here, I've kept up watching the likes of him and some of the hearings in cases as well.

Summary, not too worried about it.
 
GrandmaBear said:
Nothing this defense atty has done yet is notable or significant. Mostly a joke and as said above throw it and see what sticks to the wall.

Scott is a good source on this case, he doesn't do every case. He pretty much says it like it is with the legal look at it AND he is an acting defense attorney. This isn't anything to worry about. Taylor was said to be great and I'm not seeing it but then you cant't be great when your client doesn't leave you much can you...

I stay up when I can't by watching him and there is no spin or bias from him as there is on some other atty channels. He doesn't personally care as in having a bias and he sure doesn't need the money or to up his channel, he tells it as it is even if, as a defense atty, it is to knock the defense at times. He is covering Read pretty well too. He has no horse in any race, he isn't trying to build a channel or hype. Just a good one to watch.

Anyhow, it is a nothingburger and any alibi is pretty much out the window or a big nothing as well.

I'm up on a few cases but haven't been in here, I've kept up watching the likes of him and some of the hearings in cases as well.

Summary, not too worried about it.
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I believe that to offer an alibi in court, the defendant has to take the stand. That would be must see TV.
 
Tresir said:
Maybe when cleaning in the house. Dust for example would consist of skin cells IMO.
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Didn't watch a lot on it closely, just know the summary, the other thing is one set of DNA could be hers. You scratch your own skin. Also how about scratching a cat or dog's ears, etc... Who knows. But I know in summary it wasn't seen as a big deal by most talking of it.
 
Cousin Dupree said:
I believe that to offer an alibi in court, the defendant has to take the stand. That would be must see TV.
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Have you watched some on this because that is another thing that's been said. He would have to take the stand if they don't have for instance some person who was WITH him, etc. Otherwise it isn't an "alibi" that can be used or he has to take the stand. Also, the D has not got anything in on time re a real alibi as the P has filed and said.
 
Tresir said:
Maybe when cleaning in the house. Dust for example would consist of skin cells IMO.
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Also they were out that night. A hug, a wrap around someone's neck for a hug. Taking their arm. Shaking a hand.

Ir'a just usual defense stuff from what I understand. Not a big thing.

Scott is keeping me sane in a couple of cases right now, as Tom did in Delphi. He actually did one recently on the last filed stuff, I just haven't got around to coming in and linking it.

Just finished my work paperwork. One thing off the checklist. More paperwork to do, hoping to have a day I accomplish most of it. It gets old though and is a lot and has been throughout.

The D will probably try to really do a bunch of b.s. here but this case is solid imo and the P just needs to do it and do it well.
 
GrandmaBear said:
Also they were out that night. A hug, a wrap around someone's neck for a hug. Taking their arm. Shaking a hand.

Ir'a just usual defense stuff from what I understand. Not a big thing.

Scott is keeping me sane in a couple of cases right now, as Tom did in Delphi. He actually did one recently on the last filed stuff, I just haven't got around to coming in and linking it.

Just finished my work paperwork. One thing off the checklist. More paperwork to do, hoping to have a day I accomplish most of it. It gets old though and is a lot and has been throughout.

The D will probably try to really do a bunch of b.s. here but this case is solid imo and the P just needs to do it and doaggressors.
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I'm glad they do. Make the conviction stick.
 
Cousin Dupree said:
I'm glad they do. Make the conviction stick.
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Are you going into my posts and changing them. Look at your response that shows my post and then look at my post. I didn't say doagressors... I wondered how I had such a typo and then looked back and you apparently typed in my post.
 
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1872497311001190
Fingernail scrapings and clippings are routinely examined for the presence of foreign DNA profiles in forensic casework where the case history suggests their evidentiary relevance. In order to better understand the significance of these findings, casework results from the Centre of Forensic Sciences (CFS) were analyzed and several controlled studies were conducted. In an analysis of casework data (n = 265), 33% of fingernail samples contained a foreign source of DNA, 63% of which were detected at 5 or more STR loci. In a sampling of fingernails from the general population (n = 178), 19% contained a foreign source of DNA, 35% of which were detected at 5 or more STR loci. In a study involving deliberate scratching of another individual (n = 30), 33% of individuals had a foreign DNA profile beneath their fingernails from which the person they scratched could not be excluded as the source; however when sampling occurred ∼6 h after the scratching event, only 7% retained the foreign DNA.
This research suggests the incidence of foreign DNA profiles beneath fingernails in the general population is low but, when present, the majority is of limited significance and tends not to persist for an extensive period of time. These data are provided to assist the forensic analyst when providing his or her opinion as to the relevance of foreign DNA present under fingernails.
 
It's just D b.s. Of course let them and they should inquire thereof. We have also seen plenty of photos of this bunch, they are friendly, huggy, etc. It isn't going to change what they have on him in the eyes of the jury. it's a mixture and inconclusive.

they are college kids and it was a night of partying, probably dancing. Another thing is the girls probably had longer nails, hard ones, and finished ones.

It doesn't change the evidence against him.
 
There have been a lot of filings in this case. I'm not up on all of them. The autism stuff for one but another is where they motion for what terms can and can't be used. Or argue such. In our trial ABUSE could not be used,it was maddening.

They are asking sociopath, psychopath not be used. The term murder not be used. Really? Can't call the knife a murder weapon. Really? And more.

Don't think the judge has ruled yet though but this has been filed and asked for.
 
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Roommates' texts describe fear inside home where Idaho students were killed

Text messages between the two surviving roommates, and texts to some of the victims, describe fear and confusion during the early morning hours of Nov. 13, 2022.
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Roommates' texts describe fear inside home where Idaho students were killed​

Newly released texts messages shed light on the early morning when four University of Idaho students were stabbed to death in their off-campus home.

Text messages between the two surviving roommates, and texts to some of the victims, describe fear and confusion during the early morning hours of Nov. 13, 2022.

Around 4:22 a.m. that November morning, one of the roommates texted that she saw a man in a “ski mask” inside the home.

"I'm freaking out rn," one roommate texts.

The other roommate tells her to run to her room downstairs because “it’s better than being alone.”

She also texted that “No one is answering” in reference to the other roommates after calling Madison Mogen, Kaylee Goncalves and Xana Kernodle.

Several times around 4:30 a.m., one of the roommates calls and texts Goncalves and Kernodle.

“Pls answer”

“R u up??”

Hours later, 911 is called and first responders dispatch to the home on King Road for an unconscious person, after the callers reported one of the roommates was drunk the night before and wasn’t waking up.

“Oh, and they saw some man in their house last night,” one of the callers tells dispatch.
 
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