JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell GUILTY

Kimster · Mar 31, 2025

For those who need to catch up:

Jury selection this week.

Lori is representing herself in the murder of her husband, Charles Vallow. She is already serving a life sentence for the murder of her children and Tammy Daybell. After this trial (and the next one in Arizona), she will be shipped back to Idaho to serve her life sentences.

There will be one more trial later this summer, and that will be the attempted murder of Brandon Bourdeax (sp?)

GrandmaBear · Mar 31, 2025

I haven't even looked at YT and don't plan on it for the moment. I can't even count the shows Nate put out, then Justin came up on his news channel, Linda plans on covering every day, etc. And they are hardly the only ones. Then of course Lori is adding into it with all her filings and so on. Oh and the cousin has been on then Colby with Nate and vice versa, then Uncle Rex...

It's definitely heating up. I'll leave it at that. Went on enough but it was sending me a bit over the top.

I was going to go back and watch the one again but I don't think I will right now. Talking of Charles talking to the ins. company. That part just got me and I recall. One could hear the concern about what address they were gong to send what to for instance...

It was just a stark reminder that it is how it goes, i'ts all become the Lori show which is what of course she wants, and I don't need to be reminded of victims because they are always almost first for me but it is pretty easy to go down that road and I admit I fall to it too, but it is already too much, maybe I'll just skip it believe it or not, not sure yet. Meaning going back later to watch witnesses and so on. Of course I'll know what the verdict was and so on but not sure about watching it right now.

I was one that saw Arias well after the fact. Who by the way Lori brought up, etc. Anyhow, I watched EVERY single minute recorded of Arias but later on. In the Court TV "archives" in a winter time period. I'm not always a big fan of theirs but it's one of many reasons I think things need to be live and recorded and so on. People can't be suspicious of justice, things need to be open. I DO get a delay in lives and some things like a bench approach not recorded, etc. but all sides are present then.

Okay. Wah wah wahndering. I guess in summary, it is already a lot. Yesterday one thing after another was coming. It's already a lot. And it's just one of many really busy and heated up right now. And I'm talking from the mostly GOOD reporters, channels, etc. I think hearing Charles was a breaking point. Pheesh I thought we had heard everything in all of these.

Read is hot. Daybell probably even hotter. Kohberger. Docs released in West. Soto phone calls. Can't even think of all. More. Not the best term but like feast or famine. Either all going on or none.

Tresir · Mar 31, 2025

GrandmaBear said:
Honestly? I don't know, I was nodding off, doing that a lot again lately, not sure why. If you listened to it today you probably know more than me. I kept questioning, it was late, if we'd heard these things before I know that much because of course we like knew about the insurance and such but I did not THINK we had heard the call before. I'm going to need to get some caffeine in me and try to listen again, i kept running into things coming out and I guess we should get used to the idea as trial is upon us.

This entire case has had total document dumps and such over the years and how many shows done on it, recorded interviews released and a whole lot more as we know. Kay and Larry have been on how many things, the Mels were interviewed and that was aired, etc., etc. I hesitate to say much and i agree with open records and am a big advocate of such, I mean Sterns for instance is nowhere near trial and a ton is coming out on that one as Florida is an open record state (used be be anyhow) and FOIA requests are accessing the things.

I'd guess(?) things are being filed as the trial is upon us?

I've always kind of disagreed with the shows and such being done and while I am an open records fan, yes the trials weren't over, still are not. On the other hand, we hadn't heard like this call before right so they have held these things for trial I guess?
or if
Forgive me, I'm undecided whether to go get another couple of hours of sleep or get some caffeine in me. I have chiro today and REALLY need to make it in the hopes it will help so I should just stay up, this pred is going to give me another munchie attack, have so much to do but not managing. I think Nate had I cant even tell ya how many shows yesterday as far as this and he even covered a "new" one.

Did you watch it because honestly you could probably tell me better than I could you. It was late, I was tired and bouncing between things but wanted to share, I just know I'm pretty sure I'd never heard Charles on that call before and so wanted to get it on here for others to watch or know, and to
I'm not tracking too well as you can probably tell. I opted for caffeine we will see, pitch black here yet. Want to get through these darned pills cat so took one of those. Body is killing me and sorry to sidetrack again, anyhow, now the cat just flopped on the keyboard arggghhh. Repeating self but that PT guy tried to kill me, I was so close to better until that session and miserable as heck ever since and very unsteady, etc.

Back to the point--trying--yes she claimed I think she did the mental exam but was all ha ha about it, or she told Mel G that, weren't both Mel and Tylee with her but that part of course she supposedly did alone IF I am recallng right, man there's been so much in this case through the years. I can't recall did she voluntarily, I think so but again I think she claimed so, not sure that she actually did or of we'd know...

When I hit these things last night that I did not THINK we'd heard before, it truly was throwing me for a loop. I thought I was losing my mind and just could not recall hearing the recordings, etc. becuase again we do KNOW about these things, and it was late and I tell ya been no daylight here I swear and there isn't any right now either.

Hearing Charles though really hit me in this ins call regardless of all that, that I KNOW so I stopped and shared it, was dropping off BUT wanted others to have it. How many darned times did this man try to get help? I also recall hearing it in his voice I think as he realized I think what she was doing... Found it heartbreaking. Also I needed to stop listening too. As I said things just kept coming out yesterday, I was dancing between watching fiction then coming across this stuff in between, worried about Mel, had some things back and forth with family, and feel like nver going to get through this and so injured again.

But yes, and I need to really watch and take this in later today or something.

Yeah, I'm all over the place. Sorry. I know he was concerned they send to the right address, told them he didn't do the password, etc. Guy on other end typical I''d say customer service rep. If I'd ran into it earlier in the day, I think that's where I quit, you could just hear it in his voice...

I've had a little caffeine now, so hang on... On the one hand, I guess it shows they have plenty and more for this trial than maybe we knew and that's a good thing. I wonder if they do for Brandon's as well because that one I feel is maybe well not light on evidence but just probably the hardest of the trials to come and to prove. I mean there is a fair amount we know of but nothing like in the others imo or from what we know...?

Pouring another cup if I can move.

Even though I'm for open records, back to your point, I've not been a big fan of all the more so shows and family members talking throughout this case. I mean as one who follows crime, of course I like to see and hear more, but as far as what it can do to a case,, that's a different story... I dn't necessarily agree with it throughout but stayed fairly mum on it... I mean I'll not get specific but just about ever family member, some more than others, have been on every show both TV and internet, you name it...

I guess though too I have a big faith in jurors and jurors being found that even IF they've heard of, can put aside. My own family wouldn't know sh*t about this case, every single one of them, from single one, from all the generations. I've talked like to my daughter of it but I guarantee you there have been how many cases since and she could be a juror and she doesn't follow these thing
s in the ways we do.

I'm really sorry to be so unfocused. Starting to loosen some now and 2nd cup of java. Still pitch black here but can't have it all.

I think i said a few days back, probably more than once, that this is going to be a sh*t show. Already seems to be and it hasn't even started, well trial hasn't or jury selection. Like said, Nate already has had how many shows, others too, but hearing Charles in that phone call, I don't know, I guess as said a lot, the victims get almost forgotten. It was just heartbreaking because we know what happened and what he was realizing...

I've gotten a bit of humor re her in some of the last hearings, etc. but I'm victim first and i'm ready for her to go away and not be thought of again and hopefully QUIET.

I'm sorry for the long wandering post. In some defense though, it isn't all me, this one is already hitting the fan constantly. Then add in me, and stir and mix lol.

I saw the video of him talking to LE about her a long time ago but pretty sure i have never heard the telephone insurance call.

I am pretty sure Az dropped the ball on this in not prosecuting her and Alex but pretty sure that's why they moved states to Idaho to avoid any chances. Then the two of them realised getting rid of the kids and Tammy was justified too by their dark zombie ratings.

GrandmaBear · Mar 31, 2025

Tresir said:
I saw the video of him talking to LE about her a long time ago but pretty sure i have never heard the telephone insurance call.

I am pretty sure Az dropped the ball on this in not prosecuting her and Alex but pretty sure that's why they moved states to Idaho to avoid any chances. Then the two of them realised getting rid of the kids and Tammy was justified too by their dark zombie ratings.

Thank you for confirming. I seriously thought I might be losing it. We knew of and saw the LE vid but not the telephone ins call however we KNEW OF the insurance sh*t so i thought did I just forget he call... I know this case from top to bottom probably better than a number of them but because we knew the ins. story, I was like is it me, I just don't recall?? It is like we all know the email to Tammy from Charles... I mean I KNOW it. Man I've probably watched a lot more than some over the years, hours and hours of Annie, cousins, more. Memory is not great lately but I was so certain we'd never heard this call and again thanks for confirming? And it just broke my heart.

I want to put this without sharing too much but I had some years of a bad marriage and separation and living in two states, etc. and most know this. My ex (would be like Lori) pulled a lot of fast things with addresses and insurance and you name it. Vice versa but it really hit listening to him, he wanted to be sure whatever was going to get to him and not her, etc. While I dropped off, I recall all of that and I felt it needed to be shared by those that can watch it and process.

On the bright side, they have it appears even more than we knew. And we knew there was a lot re Charles, a lot having to be put together, etc. but enough, plenty.

I need to go back to bed, I sound like emu half a joke, but not really, I am really dealing with a setback but this case yesterday and lately man... About all i can do is listen lately, I am typing now but paying for it big time.

Anyhow, this is going to be I think a sh*t show.

So you don't recall the ins. call then either right? it really got to me, then reading chat or comments, someone said he tried so hard to get help and be heard and we know that, going to LE and so on... Someone else said, see I do recall much, that she had a pattern with men, all of them...I guess I thought too we had seen all on this, there's never been so many shows or doc dumps but then I start hearing new things yesterday...

You know I can't touch it but I think the LDS plays in. here. It is an untouchable subject but things like told what jobs they can have and you name it. Whether female or male. I' will leave that there but there is so much out there.... I guess my point is I don't think Charles was perfect probably, and Joe wasn't, his sister says that even, and I think it plays in royally but of course such are subjects that have to be danced around. Which I get. But sometimes religion, politics, etc. have so much that play in whether how used or abused or beliefs, it is part of the whole thing.

I couldn't take her cousin last night either and I like her. Or did. I mean WTH. She is a COUSIN. Just had my fill I guess but Lori's entire family seems to try to make off this. Does anyone else feel that way at times? I mean I totally get trying to process it, my GOD look what she did to their family, and I know I've probably sounded at times about our less known murder (which is that way for a good reason, that is what LE wants, versus this one blasted all over), even Larry and Kay, i am sorry, and I think Chad is just as bad but his kids are not out there doing shows... I think they are in some big denial but they are not grandstanding everywhere...

I feel for Larry and Kay and you name it and the rest but what if all the exposure ruined justice here...

I'm am going to dance around the religion thing but does anyone recall that Brandon got I think $12K in a civil suit or some such. It isn't talked of much... Or whether she and him have settled about their kids or she benefits from that and Ian as well as in good child support, alimony, etc.... I'm not a conspiracy person but there is so much more here... But because it dances around the church it is hard to discuss. I mean Mel P went awol on the one trial. Do we even hear of the Mels any longer...

Okay, again, well aware of how I sound, will probably be hunted down lol, but there is sooooo much more to this than we will ever know and I don't even do rabbit holes... However, some things are no brainers...

So going to stop. Inhaling a bowl of potatoes with cheese, onion, bacon, etc. First time today the hunger thing really hit.

Anyhow not all wil be a popular opinion and I'm skirting but there is so much more to this other than Chad and Lori lost out for the moment. And so many others... A helluva darned scam in some cases.

To each their own with reading between lines without even going down rabbit holes.. i hope I don't' get hunted down for stating some of what I think is obvious. And logical...

They have narrowed it to what they have had to...

GrandmaBear · Mar 31, 2025

ALL DAY and i finally braved it again. Charles called like THREE times. Not ready for it still but sharing the info. I think I'll go back to fiction for a bit. Well that's the plan anyhow. If manage. I get to caring too much too or something.

GrandmaBear · Mar 31, 2025

i sure hope nate
has some therapy with all this stuff in between.

i did like 2 minutes and quitting. i need cooking or fiction, etc.

Heart just as said broke for Charles and that was last night. now heard blips again.

Man am ready for her to go away and shut up, I mean to each their own but that's where I am at. they are both so evil imo.

She knew and i will stick to this, as did he, exactly what doing. All about self gratification $$ etc. Most of us know right from wrong. We may have our issues or kids might or someone we know but you do NOT do THIS.

Morals. Right from wrong. Empathy. Etc. When those things stopped... You dont have to be religious or anything to know such. You do NOT hurt other people for benefit of self, certainly don't kill them.

Yeah, should I take the last two pred??

I know I'm a bit mouthy with the pred I thinkn. But you know what, sometimes people aren't. I don't think Charles was perfect but he was begging for help, repeatedly. Stand up, say something.

Anyhow I'm not sure i won't watch after... Clearly I need a break. Sorry. Sorry. It was heartbreaking imo. The ins. call, didn't know there were 3.

GrandmaBear · Mar 31, 2025

if i could order a feast right now I would. i have tried to reach mel 3 times. going to go try a 4th.

major food, don't think I will end up ordering though, too hard. Jeez. I AM going to come through this. Somehow.

Again, sorry. This case though, if anyone listened to Charles at all..

GrandmaBear · Mar 31, 2025

I have not watched this. just can't at the moment. but for others. i am going to watch some cooking and fiction and so on.

GrandmaBear · Mar 31, 2025

kohberger too. should never have looked, etc. i didn't basically all day. anyhow for anyone who isn't over the top, they are all "hot". Going to go watch some dull cooking or some such myself. really need to cut from it.

GrandmaBear · Apr 1, 2025

They just keep coming. I'm avoiding for the moment but linking for others.

GrandmaBear · Apr 1, 2025

Okay, I'm caving and watching... I was sticking to cooking and light stuff since up in the middle of the darn night but wanted to know and it's fairly short...

Going to get this last Pred done in a few hours if I have a choice in the matter before I go raiding other people's pantries without permission.

Not sure I need to watch too many of these...

Nate filed and Lori is saying wasn't her intent to keep him out of the courtroom, never dawned on her... She seems a bit stressed again... I don't buy the judge didn't know who Nate is but kind of acting as if he didn't, I suppose they have to...

I tell ya, he is going to be glad when this is over imo... I'm only a couple minutes in...

Her true hair color is sure showing... Dark with gray... Not nice is it, to say that? I just don't like the child killing woman...

This is probably a clip from some fuller show but I've not been watching all in the interest of staying sane myself...

Yeah when I watched though the last hearing, she is bent on prosecutorial misconduct, I know she insists the prosecutor advised Nate on how to avoid a subpoena and so on... He claims not the case, I know that much previously.

Just sharing some for those that haven't kept up and honestly I had to break from it all myself. I believe I've said previously she really seems to have centered on the female prosecutor. She has been, in the ones I've watched which was all until recently, borderline respectful to the judge but of course he's a male, although she does get a bit upset and pi**y lately from just seeing the headlines, resisted watching for a day or how long now but of course headlines pop up that I see when looking for cooking, e

For someone who is the favorite of her version of "her" lord, not going to even put ours in the same sentence as her, she's kind of desperate acting where she should feel secure no, as he's shown her her and Chad will be free. I'd also normally capitalize but not going to for "her" lied about version.

She's already got life in prison... And it's almost impossible to feel sorry for her with what they've done, does she get she's probably the most hated woman at least for those that follow crime...

She's not "cute", she's a demon. yeah maybe I better not watch and go back to either fiction Netflix or more cooking, etc. A possible 5 wks of this just on the first AZ trial...

Apologies to all. just not much else I can do in the middle of the night and with limitations. Seems like saying sorry a lot lately, does that med have that effect lol. I'll resist on giving an account as to the food I tore into yesterday with the easy stuff pretty much gone. I'm supposed to have a friend over tomorrow and I may have to cancel and I was looking so forward to it. I'd hoped to cook or at least get some groceries for some snacky stuff but haven't managed that yet plus just not sure I'm great company right now. I really wanted to catch up with her but anyhow...

Back to this case, I suppose this stuff is going to keep coming at the rate of how many a day, I mean she gives a lot of fodder one has to admit... I've even been entertained with it in the last weeks but it probably is the pred, I am not now and am read for her to just go away. I'm still stuck on hearing that call of Charles with the ins. company, I guess that's really when I had to quit. Darn it, I had to recall that didn't I, it's hard to wake up at varying hours, I'm sure others know. I'd do caffeine but was hoping I'd be able to go back to sleep.

Trying to stick to the case. Anyhow here we are on the 1st of April, I guess that's a fitting day for her... She wants her time of representing self and she's getting it I guess...

I don't know if I will finish the 11 minutes or not but I do like seeing her upset although then I also hate seeing her... And there I go again. It is the pred, it has to be, although I have got fed up with other trials and crime at times, I don't know.

I'm just trying to link what I see when i see it and Nate and Justin are pretty well liked here. I hope he keeps his ways and his cool I tell ya (Nate). He's going pretty hard and heavy right now and has had some shows on a few others too. It would be entertaining I suppose, it was for a time, I guess it's just me and the way things are hitting me. I really hope it's the med so when finished here shortly, such stops.

Anyhow at least this one will be recorded as imo they all should be. Delphi will never have such a record other than the court reporter. And news was not very great with it. I disagreed with that decision then and still do. Thank God for the likes of a few YTers and that's the truth.

Middle of the night wanderings. Stopping. Thankfully for all I'm sure.

GrandmaBear · Apr 1, 2025

Okay. This is actually pretty interesting. The judge at this time is striking Nate from Lori's witness list. He goes into a bit of the law on it so at least it's not a sh*t show. He is trying not to advise her which to my knowledge is how it is supposed to be but one can see the struggle they have with her representing herself in a lot of these hearings. I needed something more grounded and not so sensational, but with the legal stuff.

I swear Tom kept me grounded in Delphi, Scott does a lot of the time in some others, because some of these cases these days just are ridiculous, the leaks, the D shows, the reporting. Hey, maybe it's not me lmao.

GrandmaBear · Apr 1, 2025

OMG. Worth a watch.

Tresir · Apr 1, 2025

GrandmaBear said:
Okay, I'm caving and watching... I was sticking to cooking and light stuff since up in the middle of the darn night but wanted to know and it's fairly short...

Going to get this last Pred done in a few hours if I have a choice in the matter before I go raiding other people's pantries without permission.

Not sure I need to watch too many of these...

Nate filed and Lori is saying wasn't her intent to keep him out of the courtroom, never dawned on her... She seems a bit stressed again... I don't buy the judge didn't know who Nate is but kind of acting as if he didn't, I suppose they have to...

I tell ya, he is going to be glad when this is over imo... I'm only a couple minutes in...

Her true hair color is sure showing... Dark with gray... Not nice is it, to say that? I just don't like the child killing woman...

This is probably a clip from some fuller show but I've not been watching all in the interest of staying sane myself...

Yeah when I watched though the last hearing, she is bent on prosecutorial misconduct, I know she insists the prosecutor advised Nate on how to avoid a subpoena and so on... He claims not the case, I know that much previously.

Just sharing some for those that haven't kept up and honestly I had to break from it all myself. I believe I've said previously she really seems to have centered on the female prosecutor. She has been, in the ones I've watched which was all until recently, borderline respectful to the judge but of course he's a male, although she does get a bit upset and pi**y lately from just seeing the headlines, resisted watching for a day or how long now but of course headlines pop up that I see when looking for cooking, e

For someone who is the favorite of her version of "her" lord, not going to even put ours in the same sentence as her, she's kind of desperate acting where she should feel secure no, as he's shown her her and Chad will be free. I'd also normally capitalize but not going to for "her" lied about version.

She's already got life in prison... And it's almost impossible to feel sorry for her with what they've done, does she get she's probably the most hated woman at least for those that follow crime...

She's not "cute", she's a demon. yeah maybe I better not watch and go back to either fiction Netflix or more cooking, etc. A possible 5 wks of this just on the first AZ trial...

Apologies to all. just not much else I can do in the middle of the night and with limitations. Seems like saying sorry a lot lately, does that med have that effect lol. I'll resist on giving an account as to the food I tore into yesterday with the easy stuff pretty much gone. I'm supposed to have a friend over tomorrow and I may have to cancel and I was looking so forward to it. I'd hoped to cook or at least get some groceries for some snacky stuff but haven't managed that yet plus just not sure I'm great company right now. I really wanted to catch up with her but anyhow...

Back to this case, I suppose this stuff is going to keep coming at the rate of how many a day, I mean she gives a lot of fodder one has to admit... I've even been entertained with it in the last weeks but it probably is the pred, I am not now and am read for her to just go away. I'm still stuck on hearing that call of Charles with the ins. company, I guess that's really when I had to quit. Darn it, I had to recall that didn't I, it's hard to wake up at varying hours, I'm sure others know. I'd do caffeine but was hoping I'd be able to go back to sleep.

Trying to stick to the case. Anyhow here we are on the 1st of April, I guess that's a fitting day for her... She wants her time of representing self and she's getting it I guess...

I don't know if I will finish the 11 minutes or not but I do like seeing her upset although then I also hate seeing her... And there I go again. It is the pred, it has to be, although I have got fed up with other trials and crime at times, I don't know.

I'm just trying to link what I see when i see it and Nate and Justin are pretty well liked here. I hope he keeps his ways and his cool I tell ya (Nate). He's going pretty hard and heavy right now and has had some shows on a few others too. It would be entertaining I suppose, it was for a time, I guess it's just me and the way things are hitting me. I really hope it's the med so when finished here shortly, such stops.

Anyhow at least this one will be recorded as imo they all should be. Delphi will never have such a record other than the court reporter. And news was not very great with it. I disagreed with that decision then and still do. Thank God for the likes of a few YTers and that's the truth.

Middle of the night wanderings. Stopping. Thankfully for all I'm sure.

I watched the other 1 hour video and the Nate part is in that so i had already seen it. Re the 1 hour, i do think she brings up good points with the judge but she sure seems to be riling him a bit and he will be glad when it is over.

GrandmaBear · Apr 1, 2025

Boy oh boy. I hope to heck this judge gets a vacation after this. And she is probably going to try to get a law degree in prison. I'm not even going to try for words. He's had the patience of a saint in all the hearings I've watched but she's really trying to push him over the edge imo...

Tresir · Apr 1, 2025

GrandmaBear said:
Boy oh boy. I hope to heck this judge gets a vacation after this. And she is probably going to try to get a law degree in prison. I'm not even going to try for words. He's had the patience of a saint in all the hearings I've watched but she's really trying to push him over the edge imo...

LOL snap/mime.

GrandmaBear · Apr 1, 2025

Tresir said:
I watched the other 1 hour video and the Nate part is in that so i had already seen it. Re the 1 hour, i do think she brings up good points with the judge but she sure seems to be riling him a bit and he will be glad when it is over.

Lol, see what I just posted simultaneously. I figured it was a partial clip from the one I could not bring myself to watch all of. My mood right now is handling it. I may go back and watch the other. Oh she's trying, no doubt, to be on her legal stuff and learn it.. He I said in the simultaneous post deserves a vacay when this is done...

Tresir · Apr 1, 2025

Just wanted to understand this as i wanted to know what it was about. This case is sure complicated.

Who paid Brandon Boudreaux $12,000,000? — The Lori Vallow Story

February 2, 2021 The case against Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow has gone a little quiet, but there is something to report about some of the players who are on the edges. On March 31, 2020, Brandon Boudreaux filed a lawsuit alleging defamation. That suit was just settle

thelorivallowstory.com

GrandmaBear · Apr 1, 2025

It was interesting to me that a prosecutor, atty, etc. can't say this or that as we know without it being an ethical violation but they can tell of the law... I ran into this during my divorce but never realized they can say this or that but not that, so to speak. It helps makes sense of a few things I encountered, I'll leave that there.

My break from this maybe helped. As I said, that call of Charles really got to me, I think it did to you too from your reaction. And then of course we all have lives that aren't real easy at times. I need to chop some darned kindling lol or start a fire. You were so right about that being therapy.

Anyhow, I figured it was a clip of his longer show. He's doing a lot of them. I do try to share them for others even if I have not been where I want to watch.

This is probably the closest I've seen the judge to frustrated... The hearing where he told her about the choice re time or speedy trial though was getting there.

I'm going to probably have to go watch the full one.

I really like the judge but he knows to be very careful as they all should in such a situation.

Yeah, she's getting some jailhouse lawyer advice or some such, or from her "advisors" or she knew some of this from life. I mean I know my smattering so it could be just that and her dad was supposedly pretty anti law, system, etc. Hard to say. She is not up on everything though, just like none of us are. She is also trying to get advice froma the judge which he tells her he can't give and that's true. I thought he came a bit close in the last hearing but he's also trying to not come down on her. It's a very delicate line for them, I know that much.

GrandmaBear · Apr 1, 2025

Tresir said:
Just wanted to understand this as i wanted to know what it was about. This case is sure complicated.

Who paid Brandon Boudreaux $12,000,000? — The Lori Vallow Story

February 2, 2021 The case against Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow has gone a little quiet, but there is something to report about some of the players who are on the edges. On March 31, 2020, Brandon Boudreaux filed a lawsuit alleging defamation. That suit was just settle

thelorivallowstory.com

Yeah, this part bothers me. It's rarely mentioned either. I knew of it and some probably do but anyone new never would, etc. without looking into deeper and so on. There were also a lot of things back in the beginning I recall. I'm over going on, I guess I've unstiffened a bit, so hard lately is all--but I'd say more about some of it but I know you well enough to know you can read between the lines, I haven't read the article you linked, but i know of this fact fairly well.

I'll say $$ money sure is at the core of a lot. In this whole thing and all the cases, and more. The church of course. Religion. I'll leave it at that but I watched everyhting there ever was from basically day one in this one and I mean every relative, everything that there was. It's been pared down to Chad and Lori but I haven't forgotten how much more was out there and being said.

It's far more than what it appears imo. I'm not sure we will ever know. I have my opinions though.

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