JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

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Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events
  • April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
  • December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
  • February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
  • February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
  • June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
  • July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
  • August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
  • September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
  • September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
  • September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
  • September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
  • October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
  • October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
  • October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
  • October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
  • Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
  • November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
  • November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
  • December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
  • December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
  • December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
  • January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
  • January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee

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No, I never did think of it before! And it doesn't sound like the scene was preserved for more than a few hours. This part of the trial might give us new information!
Yeah, already a few things imo that are new or I forgot but I think new, like hearing the life ins. call. This question never once crossed my mind either. I do think we are going to learn some new things although some is coming out apparently in filings or something like that recorded call.

I'd be surprised if she herself cleaned it up, totally surprised, but who knows. She doesn't seem the type. At this point she probably still thought she was getting the money so probably called someone or someone LE referred, IF she didn't make Alex or Tylee. I forgot I think Charles rented the home for them so there wouldn't be homeowner's insurance, at least not theirs.
 
Nate had a good show earlier with Agent Hart. Didn't get it linked but it's out there. Then some good questions and answers later on too, etc. Not too long, can't remember, 40 minutes maybe/
 
Yeah, already a few things imo that are new or I forgot but I think new, like hearing the life ins. call. This question never once crossed my mind either. I do think we are going to learn some new things although some is coming out apparently in filings or something like that recorded call.

I'd be surprised if she herself cleaned it up, totally surprised, but who knows. She doesn't seem the type. At this point she probably still thought she was getting the money so probably called someone or someone LE referred, IF she didn't make Alex or Tylee. I forgot I think Charles rented the home for them so there wouldn't be homeowner's insurance, at least not theirs.
I feel like I knew about Chad's life insurance call, but I never heard it before.
 
All of his shows have been good. I'm not always a Nancy fan, back and forth over years, but she started out calmer than normal and pretty good until awhile in. I was fine with it but boy a lot of people don't like her, just read the chat as it's going on. Nate's the one that actually tries to go into other stuff with her BUT that could have even been planned, who knows these days or maybe the questions give ahead. Hard to say.

I thought both interviews were very good, first one with him probably better, and both say to remember the kids and Nancy did offer a lot of legal knowledge but at the end she gave the details of the kids' lives and while it's all true, they are hard details to hear but I guess they have been over and over already. He's putting out so many shows I he other day I'd about had it but now I'm calmer I guess but still behind as he's had like 3 at least I haven't seen in the last few days. He's certainly getting tons of interviews.

It won't be on here until 1 p.m. during the days due to time difference plus there is a delay. Both people said Lori will be convicted.The time thing means if I want to watch it it will be into the evening before it's done if I want it a delayed live at least and not watching a recorded one later, have to see how it goes, not sure I can do live, every day anyhow. I prefer to catch things live but it often can't happen.

 
So I'm pretty sure I didn't see this until tonight but I recall discussion about some of it so not sure if was linked or not but linking, apologies if already was.

 
We are supposed to be not surprised when both the P and the Judge show Lori a lot of deference, patience, etc. Well that's going to be sickening but they have to be careful to put it simply with a pro se defendant and to protect the record. She said she's never seen a pro se defendant win. This was another really good interview. And not that long. Very interesting imo. They are cutting off at the end, some of them. I always think there's going to be more but then it abruptly ends.

The juror one I thought an interesting fact is that $300 a day is available to the jurors, I think they have to ask, are losing paychecks, etc. and that's in addition to mileage and the paltry normal daily sum most areas give jurors. That would widen jury pools as I think Nate said where it's often many retired people, etc. because others can't afford to miss work, etc. More counties/states should do this imo.

I thought this one particularly good but honestly, they all have been. No idea if caught up yet but I'm done for, way late (or early) and it's been a very long hard day and I stayed up way too long catching up on some of these. I hope I am caught up but no idea for sure.

 
Tuesday 16th continued. I don't really know why they are going into such detail regarding Charles' murder as that is going to have it's own trial in Az and Chad is not a suspect in that, well not yet anyway.


Live updates continued.

12:02 p.m. Boyce says the hearing will happen at 1:05 p.m. and the jury can be back in the courtroom at 1:30 p.m. Blake will argue for the prosecution, Prior will argue for the defense. Be back in an hour.

12 noon Prior says his intention of calling Wood is to be used as impeachment evidence. Boyce says items can be sealed to preserve the rights of a fair trial and a lot of work went into finding an impartial jury for this case. Boyce says the companion case has already gone through trial and we already have a jury so the hearing this afternoon will not be sealed.

11:58 a.m. Blake argues the motion should be sealed as there are concerns. You can read their filing here. Prior says the jury has been seated so there shouldn’t be any concerns.

11:56 a.m. Boyce says a motion in liming was filed yesterday by prosecutors. It says John Prior plans to call Rob Wood as a witness and the state is opposed. That hearing will happen after the lunch break. Right now is the hearing to determine whether the hearing after lunch will be sealed and closed to the public.

11:54 a.m. Boyce dismisses jurors for lunch but we will now have a motion hearing before the public goes to lunch.

11:52 a.m. Attorneys are having a sidebar with the judge in chambers.

11:51 a.m. The total price is close to $2,000 with all the fees. Chad says he’s going to call one or two other funeral homes. The call ends.

11:49 a.m. The call continues with the funeral director. Chad says he’s just starting the process of helping the family with the cremation and needs a price. The lady tells him cremations are $1,695 and it includes transportation to the crematory and other fees. She lists out other fees.

11:47 a.m. The lady asks for Chad’s number. He says he doesn’t know and needs to look. The operator asked if he passed away in a nursing home, hospital or residence. Chad says he died in a hospital but doesn’t know the details. The lady asks what city in Louisiana. Chad says New Orleans. The call is then transferred to the director.

11:45 a.m. Blake plays the call. Chad says he just had a death in the family and they don’t want anything but a cremation. He says they want to send the cremains to the family in Louisiana. He asks for a simple cremation and asks the price. The operator asks for the callers name. He says, “Chad Daybell.” DABEL is how he spells his last name. The lady asks how he is related to hte person who died. He says he’s his nephew and lives in Iowa. She asks for the name of the uncle. He says, “John Myron DABEL.”

11:42 a.m. Blake asks if Duncan was contacted about a call made to a mortuary in Arizona. He was. It was the Valley of the Sun Mortuary. Blake asks to admit the phone call made from Chad to the mortuary. You can listen here.

11:41 a.m. Chad responded to the email saying he would be able to come and to let the wards know. Duncan does not know whether Chad went to Texas.

11:40 a.m. The email came from a kkwalker Yahoo account, which was linked to Lori. The email was sent from the area of Katy, Texas, where Lori was staying at the time.

11:38 a.m. We now see an email sent on April 21, 2019. It is purportedly from Karen at AVOW. The letter is inviting Chad to come and speak at a youth conference in Houston about the temple. The lady says 400 kids will be attending and she wants him to come speak about his book. “Is there any chance you could come? A high councilman is currently the main speaker but he says he would be happy to let you speak in his place.” The letter offers Chad a flight and place to stay.

11:36 a.m. Duncan says he never saw any indication of grief about the loss of Charles in any of the phone messages he observed.

11:33 a.m. Duncan reads messages between Zulema and Lori. Lori messaged Zulema on May 22, 2019 about Hiplos being a level 4. Lori send another message about going to the truck and hovering over it. More messages. Zulema says she was given instructions to “rip, tar or burn the aura of Hiplos to let the body energy out.” Chad sends a message to Zulema saying Mother Earth is grateful for Lori and Zulema. He offers to give Zulema a blessing on July 11 after saying “it’s crazy about Charles but such a relief.”

11:30 a.m. Blake asks Duncan if he reviewed content from Zulema Pastenes’ phone. He did. Zulema was married to Alex. Duncan says the content on her phone was “voluminous.” Blake asks to admit an exhibit showing the content of Zulema’s phone.

11:28 a.m. We now see a text that Alex sent to Lori on Sept. 3, 2019. Alex to Lori: “Network name is anti-laman pw is 2many kids.” Lori to Alex: “Funny!!” The last known sighting of Tylee was around Sept. 8 and the last known sighting of JJ was around Sept. 22.

11:26 a.m. We now see a message from Chad to Lori on July 26, 2019. It’s the Harry Potter text:

lori text


11:25 a.m. At the time Charles was killed, Lori believed she was getting insurance money. The next message was sent from Lori to Chad on July 18, 2019. “So I talked to the insurance scompany. He changed it in March. So it was probably Ned before we got rid of him. They can’t tell me to who of course but it’s done. I still get the 4000 a month from SS.” SS stands for Social Security.

11:24 a.m. Chad writes, “It will be interesting if it got changed after he had two bullets in his chest.” As Duncan is reading these messages, Chad Daybell stares up the screen and does not show much of a reaction.

11:22 a.m. We now see text messages between Lori and Chad on July 18, 2019. Lori sent Chad a message saying she got a letter from the insurance company saying she is not the beneficiary. “It’s a spear through my heart. Who do you think he changed it to? Brandon? Or probably Kay?” Chad responds, “Wow. That’s terrible. There is no way to find out?” Lori to Chad: “Nope.” They go back and forth with Chad saying, “I love you. This is terrible but it is probably another step in bringing down the Gadiantons, especially Brandon.”

11:20 a.m. The next slide shows there were messages between Chad and Lori the morning of July 11 – the day of Charles’ death – but there is no content of what the actual texts were. There is a record they occurred but we don’t know what they said. One is sent at 6:12 a.m., another at 7:01 a.m., another at 7:33 a.m. Charles arrived at the home that morning around 7:30 a.m. based on location data on his phone.

11:20 a.m. These messages were sent two days before Charles died. Charles and Adam were planning an intervention based on the disturbing things Lori was doing and saying.

11:17 a.m. We now see a slide showing Lollytime@iCloud.com. It was created on July 1, 2019. The next slide shows a text from Lori to Alex on July 9, 2019. “So the plot thickens. Call me when u can.” On July 9, 2019, she sends another message to Alex about how he needs her to stay close to him and “they” are planning some kind of intervention. “Thank you for standing by me. It’s al coming to a head this week. I will be like Nephi I am told! And so will you.”

11:15 a.m. The message indicates that Lori was unaware Tammy had passed away, even though she had communicated with Nicole earlier in the day about the death. We now see a text from Nov. 22, 2019 from Lori to Colby Ryan, her son. “I text Ty to send it but I haven’t heard back yet. She will probably just do it before she tells me. Hope you got the Venmo. Ty said she sent it late. I’ll call you when I get a break.” Tylee had been dead for over two months at this point.

11:14 a.m. We now see a message from Melanie Gibb to Lori on the same day saying, “I heard what happened to Chad’s wife. Oh my gosh.” Lori responded, “Hello What?”

11:13 a.m. Duncan reads a message from a lady named Nicole to Lori on Oct. 19, 2019 saying Chad’s wife had died. Lori says, “Oh my gosh! I’m in Hawaii.” The lady asks Lori what happened and Lori says Tammy woke up in the night coughing, threw up, collapsed and passed away.”

11:12 a.m. Duncan says through his investigation, Charles was designated as Garrett and Hiplos. He says the phrase “it’s a new one” refers to a new dark spirit that had entered his body.

11:07 a.m. Boyce says the PowerPoint can be admitted. The presentation shows what was found on the Lori4style account and phone numbers associated with her. The first slide shows messages between Lori and Alex in March 2019 about Ned being gone. Alex messages Lori about getting rid of Ned and Ned still being alive. Lori responds at one point saying “it’s not Ned” and “It’s a new one.”

11:04 a.m. Duncan says he reviewed Lori’s iCloud accounts – lori4style and lollytime. There was a significant amount of information in those accounts. Duncan has an exhibit that caught his attention about what was in her accounts. Blake asks to admit the exhibit.

11:02 a.m. After this text exchange, communication ceased on Charles’ phone. He was shot and killed right after these messages were sent.

11 a.m. There is back and forth between Charles and Lori about the fake letter found on Charles’ phone. The next slide shows messages between Charles and Adam Cox around 7:30 a.m. the day Charles was shot. The messages show they were both concerned as Alex was at Lori’s house.

10:58 a.m. Duncan was not aware of any divorce proceedings between Charles and Lori around this time but there was indication they had separated and were living in different locations. The next slide shows more messages founds on Charles’ devices. These are text messages between Charles and Lori. He tells Lori he’s going to Idaho to meet with Tammy. Lori says Tammy won’t listen to him as she is her friend.

10:56 a.m. The next slide is a message from Charles to Lori on June 3, 2019. He confronts Lori about the affair and says, “There really is something wrong with you. You have to be exposed for what you are,” he says. He tells her lying has become second nature to her and has blamed him for everything.

10:55 a.m. Duncan now reads an email Charles sent to Chad. He confronts Chad about the fake email about Charles wanting to write a book and come visit. “Either you or Lori need to tell me what’s going on or this will be exposed for all to see. Regards, Charles Vallow,” he wrote. Then he adds, “And does your wife know you have several of Lori’s dance videos? She sent them to you at your request in January. Explain how that is in any way appropriate.”

10:54 a.m. Duncan reads another email. The subject says “Your husband and my wife…” and then the body says, “are having an affair. I have definite proof. If you care to see it, contact me.” Duncan was not able to determine whether Tammy ever saw the emails.

10:52 a.m. Duncan says there is no evidence Charles tried to visit Tammy in person. We now see an email Charles sent Tammy’s work email on June 29, 2019. Charles says he has some “vital and disturbing” information about her husband and his wife. “I apologize to be the one sending this but something has to be done. I feel it’s best if I shed some light on this issue,” he wrote.

10:50 a.m. Blake asks Duncan if he learned Charles tried to make contact with Tammy. He says Charles did send emails to Tammy but there is no indication she looked at the emails or received them. We now see more messages from Charles to Lori. He tells Lori he has emailed Tammy and “their game is up.” He later texts, “Please stop spending money on the credit cards. I appreciate it.”

10:49 a.m. Charles tells Lori in another text that he has Tammy Daybell’s email address and he will email her. He tells Lori “he better explain.” Charles sends another text saying he has Tammy’s cell and Lori has until noon to explain or he will email and text Tammy.

10:47 a.m. Blake asks Duncan if Lori had brothers named Alex and Adam. Duncan says she did. He says Adam was never a suspect in this investigation but Alex was. The next slide shows messages between Charles and Lori. Charles confronts Lori about the affair in the texts and calls Lori evil.

10:46 a.m. Blake asks Duncan if he was aware of other investigations as he was working on Charles’ case. He says he was aware of Tammy’s death, the attempted shooting of Brandon Boudreaux and the missing kids.


10:45 a.m. Duncan says this was a document that Charles said he found on Lori’s computer. This was the first letter where he suspected Lori was having an affair with Chad. “All indications in Charles’ phone is this letter was fictitious and not created by him,” Duncan says.

10:44 a.m. The email says Charles will pay Chad well to be his ghostwriter. He asked Chad to come visit him for a few days to talk about the book project and the publishing business.
This is from upthread and is from the earlier Idaho trial. I guess this will all come out again. There is a link to the mortuary call at 11.42 in the trial testimony above, if it still works.

Its amazing reading this and reminding myself what went on. I still cannot see why Chad has not been charged in Charles' death, especially after rereading this particulat trial testimony. Unless they are going to see how this prosecution pans out first.
 
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All of his shows have been good. I'm not always a Nancy fan, back and forth over years, but she started out calmer than normal and pretty good until awhile in. I was fine with it but boy a lot of people don't like her, just read the chat as it's going on. Nate's the one that actually tries to go into other stuff with her BUT that could have even been planned, who knows these days or maybe the questions give ahead. Hard to say.

I thought both interviews were very good, first one with him probably better, and both say to remember the kids and Nancy did offer a lot of legal knowledge but at the end she gave the details of the kids' lives and while it's all true, they are hard details to hear but I guess they have been over and over already. He's putting out so many shows I he other day I'd about had it but now I'm calmer I guess but still behind as he's had like 3 at least I haven't seen in the last few days. He's certainly getting tons of interviews.

It won't be on here until 1 p.m. during the days due to time difference plus there is a delay. Both people said Lori will be convicted.The time thing means if I want to watch it it will be into the evening before it's done if I want it a delayed live at least and not watching a recorded one later, have to see how it goes, not sure I can do live, every day anyhow. I prefer to catch things live but it often can't happen.


Well that time difference and delay will give us some time to follow the Read proceedings which also start next week right?
 
This is from upthread and is from the earlier Idaho trial. I guess this will all come out again. There is a link to the mortuary call at 11.42 in the trial testimony above, if it still works.

Its amazing reading this and reminding myself what went on. I still cannot see why Chad has not been charged in Charles' death, especially after rereading this particulat trial testimony. Unless they are going to see how this prosecution pans out first.
It still works, just listened to it. I had the same thought, why didn't they charge him...? I didn't read all the tweets. Maybe yeah, when all is said and done they will? You know with Rachel Smith in Nate's interview they called it insurance, Lori being charged in AZ, for her to ever get out she can't just get out of one conviction but will have several when convicted of these, that's a real mess to unravel for her. you'd think they'd do the same with Chad IF they can. Maybe they don't feel they have enough. The call to the funeral home and even the life insurance texts were after the mur.der, maybe they don't have much that shows conspiracy beforehand? One of the guests on one of Nate's said there's a whole period of time missing or something like that when they were using burner phones. If I recall they never could get all those numbers... I think there are texts with Alex though if I recall, and I'm not sure it was that period of time that's missing either but I think it might be. I think the question may have been about why they figured he wasn't charged. Don't quote me though, and I don't recall which guest or show either. I'm not sure that I've got that all correct as to when, etc.
 
Well that time difference and delay will give us some time to follow the Read proceedings which also start next week right?
True. I need to get in the mood for that one, haven't been in the mood to even follow any of the jury selection, etc. I do want to watch Brennan though, he's very good andn I probably will watch some or even all, depending on how my health goes, I was due to go back to work but now i've had a setback so not sure what will happen there.

I do prefer to watch testimony and hearings when possible. Did a fair amount of it in the last one, not all, and I've watched the recent hearings too so I probably will when I can. Been fairly hard to keep up well lately with Nate putting out so many.

You know he said both Read trials were scheduled during a Daybell trial, wonder if that's intentional... He himself never followed Read at all even personally, didn't sound like he was much interested.The one atty on with him the other night did mention how the victims al get lost and he told people to keep the victims in mind, that it is all the KR show in that one and to remember O'Keefe and the family, same in Daybell, it's all Lori, the news and all, and to do the same for Charles. He did say Nate is good about always including the victims though.
 
All of his shows have been good. I'm not always a Nancy fan, back and forth over years, but she started out calmer than normal and pretty good until awhile in. I was fine with it but boy a lot of people don't like her, just read the chat as it's going on. Nate's the one that actually tries to go into other stuff with her BUT that could have even been planned, who knows these days or maybe the questions give ahead. Hard to say.

I thought both interviews were very good, first one with him probably better, and both say to remember the kids and Nancy did offer a lot of legal knowledge but at the end she gave the details of the kids' lives and while it's all true, they are hard details to hear but I guess they have been over and over already. He's putting out so many shows I he other day I'd about had it but now I'm calmer I guess but still behind as he's had like 3 at least I haven't seen in the last few days. He's certainly getting tons of interviews.

It won't be on here until 1 p.m. during the days due to time difference plus there is a delay. Both people said Lori will be convicted.The time thing means if I want to watch it it will be into the evening before it's done if I want it a delayed live at least and not watching a recorded one later, have to see how it goes, not sure I can do live, every day anyhow. I prefer to catch things live but it often can't happen.


I was able to catch this video last night too. I really like Nate’s style as well.
 
I remember him calling an undertaker regarding a funeral for Charles ( we have heard it - I will search upthread ) but i don't remember him calling about insurance.
Same. But this was Charles calling the insurance company that I’m talking about. You guys might be talking about something else? I’m not talking about Chad.
 
Wow, I know there are texts in here i don''t recall. Charles says he is staying at the house. Lori says know he won't, Jason will make sure of it. Charles says no my name is on the lease is his?? Told her to go stay with her lover who wrote a book for him. I'm paraphrasing but I'm close. It's worth a watch. There were Adam's and Charles' too. Why the heck did he run to his family... I know a bit what some have been talking of a few places now. I think I vaguely recall this, not sure

 

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