JOSHUA "JJ" VALLOW, TYLEE RYAN, TAMMY DAYBELL, & CHARLES VALLOW: State of Idaho/Arizona vs. Lori & Chad Daybell *GUILTY*

Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua “JJ” Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

Since that time, the story has gained international attention as it’s taken twists and turns involving a purported cult, dead spouses, delusions of divinity and preparing for the end of the world. Despite all the angles, and the ever-growing number of people related to the case, the facts remain essentially the same as when it was first announced.

The two children remain missing and the parents, Lori (Vallow) Daybell, and her new husband, Chad Daybell, refuse to disclose their whereabouts to police. Both have been named persons of interest in the disappearance of the children. Law enforcement is also investigating the deaths of the Daybells’ previous respective spouses, Charles Vallow and Tammy Daybell, though neither Chad nor Lori have been named suspects in those cases.

Written timeline of events

• April 3, 2018 - Tylee Ryan's father, Joseph Ryan, dies. Death ruled heart attack.
• December 2018 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow make first appearance on Preparing a People podcast.
• February 2019 - Charles Vallow files for divorce from Lori, claiming she viewed herself as a god preparing for the second coming, and she would kill him if he got in her way.
• February - April 2019 - Lori disappears for nearly two months, leaving her children with others.
• June 2019 - Lori's niece demands a divorce from her husband, who says she shares similar beliefs to her aunt.
• July 11, 2019 - Charles Vallow shot and killed by Lori's brother Alex Cox. Shooting initially ruled self-defense.
• August 2019 - Lori moves to Rexburg, Idaho with kids
• September 3, 2019 - Joshua "JJ" Vallow enrolled in school
• September 23, 2019 - JJ last attended school
• September 24, 2019 - Lori unenrolls JJ from school, saying she would be homeschooling him.
• September 2019 - Tylee also seen in September, but it's unclear when and where (she had graduated early)
• October 2, 2019 - Lori's niece's ex-husband was shot at, missing his head by inches. Shooter was driving a vehicle registered to Charles Vallow.
• October 9, 2019 - Tammy Daybell, Chad's wife, called 911 and said a masked man shot at her with a paintball gun.
• October 19, 2019 - Tammy Daybell dies, death is ruled natural
• October 25, 2019 - Tylee, or someone using her phone, texts a friend
• Late October / Early November 2019 - Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow get married
• November 26, 2019 - Welfare check requested for JJ at the request of extended family - police are told he is in Arizona with family, but he is not
• November 27, 2019 - Police return to serve a search warrant, finding the Daybell's gone
• December 12, 2019 - Lori's brother, who had shot her ex-husband, dies mysteriously in Arizona
• December 20, 2019 - Search for JJ and Tylee goes public
• December 30, 2019 - LE says Lori knows where her children are but will not cooperate
• January 25, 2020 - Chad & Lori are located in Hawaii, served with a notice that she must produce the children within 5 days
• January 30, 2020 - Lori fails to produce JJ and Tylee

The latest timeline in the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell cases - East Idaho News

REXBURG — Police seem to be no closer to finding 7-year-old Joshua "JJ" Vallow and 17-year-old Tylee Ryan than they were when this story began months ago.

www.eastidahonews.com

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[Kimster]

Yeah, I know he texted Adam and know Alex was there, imo, to ambush and kill Charles. They do need to get this across to the jury also no doubt.

Protect two kids who he probably killed is laughable but again jury doesn't know that.

The intervention that is largely what I am trying to figure out. Maybe the point should be when did Lori first supposedly know about this? And do we know. I'm not sure I know that answer. If she only knew after Charles was dead, then it darned well could have come from his phone. If she knew prior, and that is part of why this ambush was planned, then someone leaked or something.

I mean it is one thing to be asked did you tell anyone about the intervention and say no, but he wasn't asked could someone have overheard you or gotten a hold of your phone, etc. They just really didn't go into it much.

I should’ve read your post before I made mine because you and I see it the same way. We’re just not sure.

 

[Kimster]

It has occurred to me that Lori representing herself has turned this trial into a spectator sport.

The minute it was granted that she could, I figured it would happen.

 

[GrandmaBear]

Ok. Did she know about the intervention before Charles showed up that morning? That's an interesting one.

She certainly knew that Adam was visiting because he told Alex, and planned to stay with him. She could have guessed they might plan something and so got Alex over there as her protector. But then Adam said Alex wouldn't answer his phone when he arrived so he stayed in a hotel. He did not know Alex had gone to stay with Lori until he spoke to Charles, when Charles had turned up to pick up JJ and saw Alex's truck. After that he could not get hold of Charles. Lori would have had Charles' phone by then and probably found info on the phone about the planned intervention either before or definitely afterwards. So until his friend googled Charles' name and found out what happened, he didn't know.

Yet Adam was staying with his parents, so did they know about the planned intervention? They certainly knew about Charles' death when he spoke to them about it.

The murder actually came about because Tylee brought the bat out of her bedroom and Charles grabbed it, subsequently hitting Alex with it. That was not planned so is the only thing that could let her off the charge. They have to prove conspiracy which would have to include Tylee's actions IMO.

So whether she knew they were planning an intervention becomes irrelevant because of the self defense issue, which allowed them off the hook on the day. And left them free to commit the other murders.

You packed a lot in this post. I might have to reply more than once lol.

Did Adam stay at a hotel, I thought he stayed at his parents, then at Summer's. He moved to Summer's because of the disagreement over Lori and Charles wasn't it? Summer was gone but her house was available.

Maybe Summer or Janis will help clarify whether the intervention was known about, ahead of time, if they call them to the stand.

It always seemed to me Lori knew but maybe she just knew that Charles and Adam were talking and that Charles was trying to take away her temple recommendation or some such and I'm confusing that. Also, I have it in my head that Summer recommended Lori have Alex there or maybe they all did (the family members, Barry, Janice & Summer) for protection. I guess maybe in a heated situation as Charles and Lori were having that might not be so unusual but my thought is Lori was convincing them Charles was dangerous on to of it perhaps.

I've taken in so much through the years I can't even tell you where some of it comes from any longer. It could be from LE interviews, could be from Adam, etc., etc.

Whether she knew about the intervention ahead of time isn't that big of a deal probably but the reason I wonder is I wonder if Adam was truly being loyal to Charles or if it spilled or was overheard. He seemed to be, I mean he left his parents over the disagreement of the situation.

I'm going to give up because the answer just isn't there unless it comes out later. I think it may be out there in some interview or something but I know I am not going to go rewatch everthing because there is TONS and I already have lol.

I guess it really doesn't matter in the long run other than wondering who told Lori or how she knew, IF she did.

Adam said on the stand he told know one at least of that current intervention plan by him and Charles.

 

[Kimster]

This is really good. I don't usually run into Justin's shows but I did tonight.

Not sure what I think about witnesses talking before trial is over but it wouldn't be the first time I guess.

I saw both Justin and Nate‘s feeds on my YouTube, but had to run to the next event. Hopefully this afternoon I’ll be able to catch up with both of them.

 

[Kimster]

They are on the witness list. Do you think she won't call them?

Did you notice the last access to Charles phone was on the day he was murdered, but hours after the police response?

See post 8339 for source -

"Adam said that he had been texting Vallow the morning he was shot and killed, but he didn’t find out until two days later that his brother-in-law had died. The last message he sent to Vallow was marked as read on July 11, 2019, hours after police responded to the deadly shooting."

That’s the last time Adam tried texting. We don’t know who else was contacting him? Or how long they were monitoring Charles‘s phone. As far as we know, she kept monitoring it for days after, probably trying to see if Nancy Jo was writing him or not. <sarcasm on my part> SMH

 

[GrandmaBear]

Ok. Did she know about the intervention before Charles showed up that morning? That's an interesting one.

She certainly knew that Adam was visiting because he told Alex, and planned to stay with him. She could have guessed they might plan something and so got Alex over there as her protector. But then Adam said Alex wouldn't answer his phone when he arrived so he stayed in a hotel. He did not know Alex had gone to stay with Lori until he spoke to Charles, when Charles had turned up to pick up JJ and saw Alex's truck. After that he could not get hold of Charles. Lori would have had Charles' phone by then and probably found info on the phone about the planned intervention either before or definitely afterwards. So until his friend googled Charles' name and found out what happened, he didn't know.

Yet Adam was staying with his parents, so did they know about the planned intervention? They certainly knew about Charles' death when he spoke to them about it.

The murder actually came about because Tylee brought the bat out of her bedroom and Charles grabbed it, subsequently hitting Alex with it. That was not planned so is the only thing that could let her off the charge. They have to prove conspiracy which would have to include Tylee's actions IMO.

So whether she knew they were planning an intervention becomes irrelevant because of the self defense issue, which allowed them off the hook on the day. And left them free to commit the other murders.

Tylee coming out of the bedroom with the bat is their story, doesn't mean it is true. It could be though and she either went along with the ambush plan or they played her. This all was a planned ambush imo. It could have been as simple as Lori telling her if you hear any arguing, get your bat and come running, playing her that way, or Lori knew that's what Tylee would do in such a circumstance.

This was a planned murder.

Imo.

 

[Kimster]

Tylee coming out of the bedroom with the bat is their story, doesn't mean it is true. It could be though and she either went along with the ambush plan or they played her. This all was a planned ambush imo. It could have been as simple as Lori telling her if you hear any arguing, get your bat and come running, playing her that way, or Lori knew that's what Tylee would do in such a circumstance.

This was a planned murder.

Imo.

I would love to know what Tyler knew and didn’t know. Wasn’t it Colby that said one of the last times he saw her she was crying and wouldn’t say why? Someone said that about her.

 

[Tresir]

I see it the same way in your first paragraph but the second paragraph? I’m not quite sure when Lori knew about the intervention. She did learn about it yes, but was it when she got a hold of Charles’s phone that day?

If he was there just to protect them, maybe they didn't know about the intervention. If he was there to kill Charles, then I think they knew of the intervention beforehand either from family or contacts in the church. Once she got hold of his phone that morning she likely read about it then. Definitely after he was killed as the evidence shows.

To prove conspiracy they will need to prove that she knew and intended to have him shot beforehand by Alex IMO. I don't believe that has been proved yet, do you?

They do already have a motive, the $2m life insurance policy which she did not know he had already changed. That hasn't been mentioned yet has it?

 

[GrandmaBear]

Ok. Did she know about the intervention before Charles showed up that morning? That's an interesting one.

She certainly knew that Adam was visiting because he told Alex, and planned to stay with him. She could have guessed they might plan something and so got Alex over there as her protector. But then Adam said Alex wouldn't answer his phone when he arrived so he stayed in a hotel. He did not know Alex had gone to stay with Lori until he spoke to Charles, when Charles had turned up to pick up JJ and saw Alex's truck. After that he could not get hold of Charles. Lori would have had Charles' phone by then and probably found info on the phone about the planned intervention either before or definitely afterwards. So until his friend googled Charles' name and found out what happened, he didn't know.

Yet Adam was staying with his parents, so did they know about the planned intervention? They certainly knew about Charles' death when he spoke to them about it.

The murder actually came about because Tylee brought the bat out of her bedroom and Charles grabbed it, subsequently hitting Alex with it. That was not planned so is the only thing that could let her off the charge. They have to prove conspiracy which would have to include Tylee's actions IMO.
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So whether she knew they were planning an intervention becomes irrelevant because of the self defense issue, which allowed them off the hook on the day. And left them free to commit the other murders.

Whether she knew about the intervention or not as to do with the murder really isn't my interest. My interest was more what she knew, and if Adam truly was loyal to Charles or if she slipped or told. The murder was planned and was intentional but the intervention could have added to doing it when they did.

It isn't that relevant and I'm going to let it go until and if answers come.

I don't know how much Tylee's ALLEGED involvement will have to come into it. They have to prove Alex and Lori conspired and wanted Charles dead. Their story is clearly a lie based on trajectory and more. How are they going to bring in all the text messages I wonder?

Kay said she thought it was going to be mostly experts on the stand this week or so she thought. I think it was her that said it.

 

[Tresir]

I don't know that you will.

I also am pretty sure it was with Gilbert and about the kids, not Charles so much. Later in the cases as all developed imo if I recall.

Not sure what you mean.

 

[GrandmaBear]

That's cool! I've always known or been under the impression they share information back and forth. I am sure each goes for themselves as far as getting interviews and all for their stations but as to info they do share it.

You know I thought Nate WAS East Idaho News but I guess there is an owner and it isn't him. Still, it is small and not sure who the owner is, could be someone close lol, no idea. I think he probably has more flexibility than Justin with Fox BUT they are everyone's favorite two on this case. Having dinner together people will love!

Of course my food side wants to know what that is on their plates!

I really enjoyed Justin's interview with Charles' siblings! Well worth watching imo.

 

[GrandmaBear]

They are on the witness list. Do you think she won't call them?

Did you notice the last access to Charles phone was on the day he was murdered, but hours after the police response?

See post 8339 for source -

"Adam said that he had been texting Vallow the morning he was shot and killed, but he didn’t find out until two days later that his brother-in-law had died. The last message he sent to Vallow was marked as read on July 11, 2019, hours after police responded to the deadly shooting."

She may well call them. I don't know. Maybe that will clarify it.

So was the last access Lori and then the cops took the phone...?

I mean it is a given it was not Charles accessing or reading the phone.

 

[Tresir]

I see people in Nate's chat for instance who are brand new to the case and one can tell how lost they are. I too followed from day one. It is hard to retain everything too isn't it? I've had the main players straight for a very long time and all the key side players and most extended family members but like mention Serena to me and I wouldn't have necessarily known immediately who she was. I mean I've got Lori's family straight, Zulema straight, both Mels, David, that Alex married Z and Ian married Mel P and all that stuff lol. I know all the victims. I knew who Joe was. Who Annie is. And so on and so on.

I haven't heard a lot new but a nugget here and there and so on but then I get to wondering if I didnt hear a hint of it back when and forgot. I don't think another case I ever followed compares to this one for all the stuff that was dumped, the cases and murders and so on. All the different jurisdictions even! And areas they did each thing and so on.

I don't recall ever knowing Charles had a date but then I get to wondering if I didn't hear a blip about it somewhere back when. With all the things that were on YT and all things absorbed, document dumps, I am not sure but I don't recall ever knowing it.

It has been something to take in from the start, and for those just seeing it now with trial on, wow, if they want to see all we've taken in, watched, read and followed since day one, they better have weeks on end lol. Imo.

We wouldn't have known about the date because she only found out he was dead five months after. There is so much that cannot come out. I would like to watch the interview of Lori and Tylee again as it is ages since i watched it. Will they be able to use those in this trial?

 

[Tresir]

She may well call them. I don't know. Maybe that will clarify it.

So was the last access Lori and then the cops took the phone...?

I mean it is a given it was not Charles accessing or reading the phone.

I don't know who has the phone, even now. I guess it must be LE if they know when it was last accessed. Has it been mentioned in evidence yet? I don't recall that it has so far.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I should’ve read your post before I made mine because you and I see it the same way. We’re just not sure.

Yeah we are very much on the same page on this one. I'm going to give up on it I think. We may find out and may not. I always thought she knew about it ahead of time but I honestly don't know any longer where I get that from. She definitely knew Charles was trying to cause "trouble" for her (her opinion I'm sure, not mine).

 

[GrandmaBear]

I don't know who has the phone, even now. I guess it must be LE if they know when it was last accessed. Has it been mentioned in evidence yet? I don't recall that it has so far.

LE has or did have the phone. In the last hearings Lori was having a fit wanting it from LE. Judge agreed so long as she signed a form, did it the right way, etc. Not sure if she ever followed through but yes LE has had the phone all these years.

 

[GrandmaBear]

That’s the last time Adam tried texting. We don’t know who else was contacting him? Or how long they were monitoring Charles‘s phone. As far as we know, she kept monitoring it for days after, probably trying to see if Nancy Jo was writing him or not. <sarcasm on my part> SMH

LE took it.

 

[GrandmaBear]

I would love to know what Tyler knew and didn’t know. Wasn’t it Colby that said one of the last times he saw her she was crying and wouldn’t say why? Someone said that about her.

Adam said too that it was as if she wanted to tell him something, and she was upset at his parents' home or some such. Not sure if Colby said that or not but sounds familiar.

Tylee was definitely USED and MANIPULATED by her mother. She could have been played here though too. I mean Lori manufactures Charles coming inside, a big fight, and Tylee comes running...

 

[GrandmaBear]

If he was there just to protect them, maybe they didn't know about the intervention. If he was there to kill Charles, then I think they knew of the intervention beforehand either from family or contacts in the church. Once she got hold of his phone that morning she likely read about it then. Definitely after he was killed as the evidence shows.

To prove conspiracy they will need to prove that she knew and intended to have him shot beforehand by Alex IMO. I don't believe that has been proved yet, do you?

They do already have a motive, the $2m life insurance policy which she did not know he had already changed. That hasn't been mentioned yet has it?

The text messages imo are going to be a big part and they are not in evidence yet.

The life insurance policy was mentioned by Nancy Jo and by Kay. Maybe others, can't recall. It HAS come up though more than once.

 

[Tresir]

You packed a lot in this post. I might have to reply more than once lol.

Did Adam stay at a hotel, I thought he stayed at his parents, then at Summer's. He moved to Summer's because of the disagreement over Lori and Charles wasn't it? Summer was gone but her house was available.

Maybe Summer or Janis will help clarify whether the intervention was known about, ahead of time, if they call them to the stand.

It always seemed to me Lori knew but maybe she just knew that Charles and Adam were talking and that Charles was trying to take away her temple recommendation or some such and I'm confusing that. Also, I have it in my head that Summer recommended Lori have Alex there or maybe they all did (the family members, Barry, Janice & Summer) for protection. I guess maybe in a heated situation as Charles and Lori were having that might not be so unusual but my thought is Lori was convincing them Charles was dangerous on to of it perhaps.

I've taken in so much through the years I can't even tell you where some of it comes from any longer. It could be from LE interviews, could be from Adam, etc., etc.

Whether she knew about the intervention ahead of time isn't that big of a deal probably but the reason I wonder is I wonder if Adam was truly being loyal to Charles or if it spilled or was overheard. He seemed to be, I mean he left his parents over the disagreement of the situation.

I'm going to give up because the answer just isn't there unless it comes out later. I think it may be out there in some interview or something but I know I am not going to go rewatch everthing because there is TONS and I already have lol.

I guess it really doesn't matter in the long run other than wondering who told Lori or how she knew, IF she did.

Adam said on the stand he told know one at least of that current intervention plan by him and Charles.

I thought he did at first when he couldn't raise Alex then arranged to stay with Zac at his parents. At Lori's, Charles left his phone on the countertop when he put JJ in the car. When he came back to get it, Lori wouldn't give it to him so the row started. She would have read some of the texts by then. Tylee came out with the bat etc etc. So she could have, at the very least, found out about the intervention then, but already could have planned his murder for the Life insurance anyway.